Patriot Bill 2, we're all terrorists...

Patriot 2, Will We Be Screwed?

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A copy of the bill was sent to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert and Vice President Richard Cheney on Jan. 10, 2003. “Attached for your review and comment is a draft legislative proposal entitled the ‘Domestice Security Enhancement Act of 2003,’” the memo, sent from “OLP” or Office of Legal Policy, says.

Dr. David Cole, Georgetown University Law professor and author of Terrorism and the Constitution, reviewed the draft legislation at the request of the Center, and said that the legislation “raises a lot of serious concerns. It’s troubling that they have gotten this far along and they’ve been telling people there is nothing in the works.” This proposed law, he added, “would radically expand law enforcement and intelligence gathering authorities, reduce or eliminate judicial oversight over surveillance, authorize secret arrests, create a DNA database based on unchecked executive ‘suspicion,’ create new death penalties, and even seek to take American citizenship away from persons who belong to or support disfavored political groups.”

Some of the key provision of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 include:

Section 201, “Prohibition of Disclosure of Terrorism Investigation Detainee Information”: Safeguarding the dissemination of information related to national security has been a hallmark of Ashcroft’s first two years in office, and the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 follows in the footsteps of his October 2001 directive to carefully consider such interest when granting Freedom of Information Act requests. While the October memo simply encouraged FOIA officers to take national security, “protecting sensitive business information and, not least, preserving personal privacy” into account while deciding on requests, the proposed legislation would enhance the department’s ability to deny releasing material on suspected terrorists in government custody through FOIA.

Section 202, “Distribution of ‘Worst Case Scenario’ Information”: This would introduce new FOIA restrictions with regard to the Environmental Protection Agency. As provided for in the Clean Air Act, the EPA requires private companies that use potentially dangerous chemicals must produce a “worst case scenario” report detailing the effect that the release of these controlled substances would have on the surrounding community. Section 202 of this Act would, however, restrict FOIA requests to these reports, which the bill’s drafters refer to as “a roadmap for terrorists.” By reducing public access to “read-only” methods for only those persons “who live and work in the geographical area likely to be affected by a worst-case scenario,” this subtitle would obfuscate an established level of transparency between private industry and the public.

Section 301-306, “Terrorist Identification Database”: These sections would authorize creation of a DNA database on “suspected terrorists,” expansively defined to include association with suspected terrorist groups, and noncitizens suspected of certain crimes or of having supported any group designated as terrorist.

Section 312, “Appropriate Remedies with Respect to Law Enforcement Surveillance Activities”: This section would terminate all state law enforcement consent decrees before Sept. 11, 2001, not related to racial profiling or other civil rights violations, that limit such agencies from gathering information about individuals and organizations. The authors of this statute claim that these consent orders, which were passed as a result of police spying abuses, could impede current terrorism investigations. It would also place substantial restrictions on future court injunctions.

Section 405, “Presumption for Pretrial Detention in Cases Involving Terrorism”: While many people charged with drug offenses punishable by prison terms of 10 years or more are held before their trial without bail, this provision would create a comparable statute for those suspected of terrorist activity. The reasons for presumptively holding suspected terrorists before trial, the Justice Department summary memo states, are clear. “This presumption is warranted because of the unparalleled magnitude of the danger to the United States and its people posed by acts of terrorism, and because terrorism is typically engaged in by groups – many with international connections – that are often in a position to help their members flee or go into hiding.”

Section 501, “Expatriation of Terrorists”: This provision, the drafters say, would establish that an American citizen could be expatriated “if, with the intent to relinquish his nationality, he becomes a member of, or provides material support to, a group that the United Stated has designated as a ‘terrorist organization’.” But whereas a citizen formerly had to state his intent to relinquish his citizenship, the new law affirms that his intent can be “inferred from conduct.” Thus, engaging in the lawful activities of a group designated as a “terrorist organization” by the Attorney General could be presumptive grounds for expatriation.

The Domestic Security Enhancement Act is the latest development in an 18-month trend in which the Administration has sought expanded powers and responsibilities for law enforcement bodies to help counter the threat of terrorism.

The USA Patriot Act, signed into law on Oct. 26, 2001, gave law enforcement officials broader authority to conduct electronic surveillance and wiretaps, and gives the president the authority, when the nation is under attack, to confiscate any property within U.S. jurisdiction of anyone believed to be engaging in such attacks. The measure also tightened oversight of financial activities to prevent money laundering and diminish bank secrecy in an effort to disrupt terrorist finances.

It also changed provisions of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which was passed in 1978 during the Cold War. FISA established a different standard of government oversight and judicial review for “foreign intelligence” surveillance than that applied to traditional domestic law enforcement surveillance.

The USA Patriot Act allowed the Federal Bureau of Investigation to share information gathered in terrorism investigations under the “foreign intelligence” standard with local law enforcement agencies, in essence nullifying the higher standard of oversight that applied to domestic investigations. The USA Patriot Act also amended FISA to permit surveillance under the less rigorous standard whenever “foreign intelligence” was a “significant purpose” rather than the “primary purpose” of an investigation.

The draft legislation goes further in that direction. “In the [USA Patriot Act] we have to break down the wall of foreign intelligence and law enforcement,” Cole said. “Now they want to break down the wall between international terrorism and domestic terrorism.”

In an Oct. 9, 2002, hearing of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Technology, Terrorism, and Government Information, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Alice Fisher testified that Justice had been, “looking at potential proposals on following up on the PATRIOT Act for new tools and we have also been working with different agencies within the government and they are still studying that and hopefully we will continue to work with this committee in the future on new tools that we believe are necessary in the war on terrorism.”

Assistant Attorney General for Legal Policy Viet Dinh, who was the principal author of the first Patriot Act, told Legal Times last October that there was “an ongoing process to continue evaluating and re-evaluating authorities we have with respect to counterterrorism,” but declined to say whether a new bill was forthcoming.

Former FBI Director William Sessions, who urged caution while Congress considered the USA Patriot Act, did not want to enter the fray concerning a possible successor bill.

"I hate to jump into it, because it's a very delicate thing," Sessions told the Center, without acknowledging whether he knew of any proposed additions or revisions to the additional Patriot bill.


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Seems like an awful dance around.......just to target ONE group......Muslims/Arabs.....

Would be easier to just deport em all!!!!! After all it is only aimed at them.....isnt it?

Please save me the t McVeigh comments



GLOBAL JIHAD
Top Saudi cleric
advocates 'martyrdom'
Mecca's religious leader marks annual pilgrimage with call for victory or death

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Posted: February 8, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com


With the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, or hajj, beginning today, the imam of Mecca's Grand Mosque, the holiest shrine in Islam, prayed yesterday for Islamic "victory or martyrdom" in its war against unnamed foes.

It was his final sermon before an estimated two million Muslims participate in the annual pilgrimage – a requirement of Islam.

According to a report by Agence France-Presse, Sheikh Saud al-Shraim admonished the Muslim pilgrims: "Strong believers are not scared of death regardless of how loud the enemies beat the drums [of war]. Believers are aware that life has a limit and that the Almighty controls our destiny ... They should expect either victory or martyrdom, both of which should be sought."

The giant mosque and all roads leading to it were filled with participating Muslims, said the report.

Meanwhile, Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh, the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, echoed al-Shraim's words yesterday in published remarks accusing "enemies of Islam" of working to undermine the Islamic nation. "The Islamic ummah [nation] is facing many challenges from its enemies," he said in the AFP account, challenges that include "fighting against the Islamic faith, the ummah's foundations, principles, values, economy and culture."

The mufti added, provocatively, "They aim at containing this nation." A central facet of Islam is that it must spread over the entire earth and ultimately be embraced worldwide.

Saudi Arabia's top leaders are in Mecca to oversee the massive pilgrimage, including King Fahd, Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz and Defense Minister Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz.

Islamic clerics calling for "jihad" against Jews or Americans is not uncommon – such as Sheik Abu Hamza, affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, who was recently caught on tape exhorting an audience to kill non-believers or sell them into slavery – or the Arafat-appointed mufti of Jerusalem, Sheik 'Ikrima Sabri, who praised and encouraged Palestinian children to become homicidal "martyrs." Typically, defenders of mainstream Islam claim these are extremist views and unrelated to peaceful Muslim beliefs. But yesterday's calls for the faithful to seek "martyrdom" came from the highest Islamic religious authorities in Saudi Arabia.

Also, the Bush administration has raised the national terror alert from yellow to orange, the second-highest level, citing an increased likelihood of a massive al-Qaida attack on Americans. Attorney General John Ashcroft told a Justice Department news conference the decision to raise the terror alert level was based on intelligence warnings pointing to a possible al-Qaida attack timed to coincide with the "hajj" pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia, which begins today and ends mid-February.
 
My problem with Patriot 2...

"An American citizen could be expatriated “if, with the intent to relinquish his nationality, he becomes a member of, or provides material support to, a group that the United Stated has designated as a ‘terrorist organization’.” But whereas a citizen formerly had to state his intent to relinquish his citizenship, the new law affirms that his intent can be “inferred from conduct.” Thus, engaging in the lawful activities of a group designated as a “terrorist organization” by the Attorney General could be presumptive grounds for expatriation. "

*Could this be intepreted as a cvitizen belonging to a opposition political party, or a citizen attending a rally where representatives of a terrorist organization is present?
"Inferred" is a legal term that bothers me. I belong to a motorcycle rights group who have been referred to as a "outlaw" organization by the CCCP of Washington, because some of our members belong to 1% clubs.
Could just talking with someone with ties to terrorists be inferred as to guilt by association?
 
Patriot Act II Includes Glass Houses Provision


(2003-02-08) -- The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) will soon propose legislation to make it easier for law enforcement offices to detect, detain and deter potential domestic terrorists. Dubbed the Patriot Act II, the draft legislation offers a "new vision for American freedom," according to an unnamed source at DOJ.

The Center for Public Integrity obtained a leaked copy of the document, which contains the following provisions:

Section 207: "Members of Suspected Terrorist Groups Must Live in Transparent Housing." The intent of this provision is to increase the effectiveness of police stakeouts, which are often conducted from inconspicuous vehicles parked in front of the residence. Currently, police spend much of the time on a stakeout engaged in idle conversation, eating fattening foods and dozing off. That's because they can't see what's happening in the house. When potential terrorists live in houses made of glass, Plexiglas and Lucite, police will have something to look at, and thus remain alert on the frontlines of the war against terror. The proposed legislation includes funding for construction of vast transparent-housing projects.

Section 308: "Persons with Funny Accents and Dark Beards to Wear Only Short Hospital Gowns in Public." To reduce the chances that probable terrorists are carrying concealed weapons, the Patriot Act II requires the wearing of flimsy garments, tied at the top and open in the back. Some men may also be required to shave their backs to prevent them from hiding small weapons or vials under their back hair.

Section 432: "Law Enforcement Officials Issued X-Ray Glasses." The cost for providing X-ray glasses for every homeland security agent is relatively low compared with the benefits. The spectacles, which allow wearer to see through clothing, can be obtained through the mail for $1 each, plus $.25 shipping and handling.

Section 517: "Police to Wear Invisibility Cloaks." An officer will be able to walk right up to a likely terrorist and, as long as he breathes very quietly and doesn't sneeze or cough, to observe and listen at close range.
 
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