Dhalgren150
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Soulexpandude said:
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gypsywitch
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merry meet 
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Good morning all
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Good morning to you all too!
Any more input on possibly holding an online Solstice ritual on Tuesday night?
It's written but we need volunteers for these parts: (Gypsy is west and Dahlgren is North)
South Quarter
East Quarter
Sun God
Crone
Of course everyone else will be participating on their own but these are the speaking (or texting I should say) parts
Still considering this so I need some input. Think it will work?
Any more input on possibly holding an online Solstice ritual on Tuesday night?
It's written but we need volunteers for these parts: (Gypsy is west and Dahlgren is North)
South Quarter
East Quarter
Sun God
Crone
Of course everyone else will be participating on their own but these are the speaking (or texting I should say
) partsStill considering this so I need some input. Think it will work?
Dhalgren150
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work it shall.
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So I'm leaving my county Pagan network group due to yet another gathering that was just too wierd. Having been on the board of directors before its easy for me to see where the problems lay in the leadership and I was voted out. (probably for trying to generate too much change at once)
What a bunch of foul mouthed fatsos; even in the circle during ritual. Swear words in front of and to the children, very bad behavior from some children that wasn't properly handled. Plus sloppy ritual presentation in general.
They respect me a great deal due to the free healing work I do there and they see that my child was never an issue. She and a toddler just danced to the Pagan music by themselves while all the other older kids went nuts around them.
They don't recycle or buy foods wisely either. I'll stay in touch with the three good friends I have there and they understand my decision. I didn't leave in a huff or anything like that.
This group has aquired a well known non-profit organization status in the region as representing all Pagan/Wiccan/whatever groups and meets in a large public community building. Its not just a few whack jobs trying to be witches.
It would be nice to feel confident to remain as support during their "re-building" phase now that some other problem people have finally left, but I need a group where the leaders lead and are a good example. I'm not a full Crone yet anyway.
It looks like our Unitarian church will be the best place to generate community spirit. We'll see how that goes.
I hate to be too judgemental, but we all know what its liked to be embarassed by or upset with people that claim to be wise and spiritual yet display behaviors that do not meet certain expectations.
A n y w a y... about forty of us participated in ritual last night and I look forward to our computer ritual here.
What a bunch of foul mouthed fatsos; even in the circle during ritual. Swear words in front of and to the children, very bad behavior from some children that wasn't properly handled. Plus sloppy ritual presentation in general.
They respect me a great deal due to the free healing work I do there and they see that my child was never an issue. She and a toddler just danced to the Pagan music by themselves while all the other older kids went nuts around them.
They don't recycle or buy foods wisely either. I'll stay in touch with the three good friends I have there and they understand my decision. I didn't leave in a huff or anything like that.
This group has aquired a well known non-profit organization status in the region as representing all Pagan/Wiccan/whatever groups and meets in a large public community building. Its not just a few whack jobs trying to be witches.
It would be nice to feel confident to remain as support during their "re-building" phase now that some other problem people have finally left, but I need a group where the leaders lead and are a good example. I'm not a full Crone yet anyway.
It looks like our Unitarian church will be the best place to generate community spirit. We'll see how that goes.
I hate to be too judgemental, but we all know what its liked to be embarassed by or upset with people that claim to be wise and spiritual yet display behaviors that do not meet certain expectations.
A n y w a y... about forty of us participated in ritual last night and I look forward to our computer ritual here.
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Dhalgren150 said:work it shall.
Well then I think we should go with it! I'm waiting until Monday to email the ritual to you guys. Look for it in the morning
Decide on a time and I'll post an invitational thread.. Say Tuesday night around 7:00PM EST. That's best for me but I understand the time differences and that means around 4 Gypsy's time... Gypsy, will that work?
And others time zones too )0(
Still need some volunteers!
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gypsywitch said:
I think people forget that the circle is SACRED space, like a church is to Xtians...but one hopes more in touch with the nature of things
Perhaps people need to be reminded of what behaviour is suitable, in deference to the Mother and Father?Just a thought.
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For our Love of the Gods and all Goodness
(Druidism)
Inovacation to the moon
I come into your garden fair,
To Waltz upon the dew.
To look upon your handiwork,
While morning still is new.
I come into your meadow fair,
To laugh upon the lawn,
To stare upon a red-blue sky,
Working magic come the dawn.
I come into your forest fair,
To sing among the trees,
To sway carefree amidst the leaves
Come full the noon-day breeze.
I come into your greenwood fair,
To watch the sunlight play,
As it dances towards the dusk,
And sparkles like the fey.
I come into your grove so fair,
The cloak of night comes round,
To gather stars within its sweep
And shine upon the ground.
I come upon your world so fair,
And think on what I've seen
Then fall to sleep with Gods of old,
And dream on moon-beam wings.
(Druidism)
Inovacation to the moon
I come into your garden fair,
To Waltz upon the dew.
To look upon your handiwork,
While morning still is new.
I come into your meadow fair,
To laugh upon the lawn,
To stare upon a red-blue sky,
Working magic come the dawn.
I come into your forest fair,
To sing among the trees,
To sway carefree amidst the leaves
Come full the noon-day breeze.
I come into your greenwood fair,
To watch the sunlight play,
As it dances towards the dusk,
And sparkles like the fey.
I come into your grove so fair,
The cloak of night comes round,
To gather stars within its sweep
And shine upon the ground.
I come upon your world so fair,
And think on what I've seen
Then fall to sleep with Gods of old,
And dream on moon-beam wings.
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At times I wish I was in a city where a group of us could meet for rituals and sharing of knowledge. I know that when you put a group of people together, nature of the beast can take over at times and cause problems...but still, there is much to be learned by this person and it has been...difficult at best.
dragonhearted
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curious2c said:At times I wish I was in a city where a group of us could meet for rituals and sharing of knowledge. I know that when you put a group of people together, nature of the beast can take over at times and cause problems...but still, there is much to be learned by this person and it has been...difficult at best.
we have to remember that there is a purpose for every creature and thing...even the crass and crude ones
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curious2c said:And even the old perverted ones such as myself.
that's right!
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dragonhearted said:we have to remember that there is a purpose for every creature and thing...even the crass and crude ones
I'll stick to my fantasy of strong, healthy, proud, beautiful, kind people.
The slovenly ones worry me a bit when they represent us in the eyes of the masses.
Balance is key.
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Oak King and Holly King duel
Behind the figure of the Holly King stands the more ancient Green Man, the British vegetation god who symbolizes fertility and the annual death and rebirth of Nature. In some mythologies of the changing seasons, the year is divided in half and is ruled alternately by the Holly King and his twin brother the Oak King. They are also known as the Winter King (Holly) and Summer King (Oak), or the Old God and the Young God.
Echoes of their battles at midsummer and midwinter are found throughout British folklore, as in the mummer plays of St. George, the ballads of Robin Hood and in the tale of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. In some stories, they battle for the hand of the Spring Maiden. The custom of “hunting the wren” on December 26th speaks to the symbolism of burying the old year. The Holly King is identified with the wren, as the Oak King is identified with the robin.
In rural Britain, it was the young men of the village (their youth symbolizing the Oak King and the newborn year) who would choose the Yule tree and hunt the wren. It is said that “on Yule morning, the men would dance the Morris dances in the fields, preparing the fields for the coming of new life in the spring, keeping their crops in time with the newly waxing Sun.”2 Behind all these stories is the ancient myth of the dying and rising god.
Art historian John Williamson tells us that “the widespread motif of a ‘dying god’ or vegetation deity, who is sacrificed or sacrifices himself for the benefit of mankind, is basic to the seasonal motifs of agrarian societies.”
At the end of the nineteenth century, Sir James Frazer published his great work The Golden Bough, in which he presented the controversial theory that in many early societies, the Sacred King of the land, who was consort to the priestess of the Mother Goddess, was slain at each of the solstices at the height of his powers of virility and potency. Because of his sacrifice, the fertility of the land was assured. Later on, as the power of the temporal kings grew, another man or even an animal — a “scapegoat” — was substituted as the sacrifice. Later still the sacrifice became symbolic rather than literal. Yet the mythic purpose of the ritual sacrifice of a “green god” to assure abundance persisted. We see it in mythology, in literature, in pre-Christian ritual and even in the metaphor of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
The Oak King and the Holly King were regarded as two such sacred kings, one representing the waxing year and the other the waning year. At each solstice, one slays the other, though it becomes clear that the slain king is not really dead but only absent until his season comes round once more. We see this theme carried out in the famous 14th century tale of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.
Behind the figure of the Holly King stands the more ancient Green Man, the British vegetation god who symbolizes fertility and the annual death and rebirth of Nature. In some mythologies of the changing seasons, the year is divided in half and is ruled alternately by the Holly King and his twin brother the Oak King. They are also known as the Winter King (Holly) and Summer King (Oak), or the Old God and the Young God.
Echoes of their battles at midsummer and midwinter are found throughout British folklore, as in the mummer plays of St. George, the ballads of Robin Hood and in the tale of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. In some stories, they battle for the hand of the Spring Maiden. The custom of “hunting the wren” on December 26th speaks to the symbolism of burying the old year. The Holly King is identified with the wren, as the Oak King is identified with the robin.
In rural Britain, it was the young men of the village (their youth symbolizing the Oak King and the newborn year) who would choose the Yule tree and hunt the wren. It is said that “on Yule morning, the men would dance the Morris dances in the fields, preparing the fields for the coming of new life in the spring, keeping their crops in time with the newly waxing Sun.”2 Behind all these stories is the ancient myth of the dying and rising god.
Art historian John Williamson tells us that “the widespread motif of a ‘dying god’ or vegetation deity, who is sacrificed or sacrifices himself for the benefit of mankind, is basic to the seasonal motifs of agrarian societies.”
At the end of the nineteenth century, Sir James Frazer published his great work The Golden Bough, in which he presented the controversial theory that in many early societies, the Sacred King of the land, who was consort to the priestess of the Mother Goddess, was slain at each of the solstices at the height of his powers of virility and potency. Because of his sacrifice, the fertility of the land was assured. Later on, as the power of the temporal kings grew, another man or even an animal — a “scapegoat” — was substituted as the sacrifice. Later still the sacrifice became symbolic rather than literal. Yet the mythic purpose of the ritual sacrifice of a “green god” to assure abundance persisted. We see it in mythology, in literature, in pre-Christian ritual and even in the metaphor of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
The Oak King and the Holly King were regarded as two such sacred kings, one representing the waxing year and the other the waning year. At each solstice, one slays the other, though it becomes clear that the slain king is not really dead but only absent until his season comes round once more. We see this theme carried out in the famous 14th century tale of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.
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great story!
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ah the Wisdom of the Image...
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