Overlap between mind control and non-con? And rules regarding it

The taxonomy of creativity is a largely hopeless endeavor for any rigorously minded ontologist. I think Simon said it somewhere in this thread: the categories exist for the readers to find what they are looking for. Most stories with any degree of complexity are going to have cross-category elements. If a man hypnotizes his sister into sex she would not otherwise engage in, is that non-con? incest? mind-control?

Mind-control is one means of overcoming resistance, whether that be inhibition (happily discarded) or core beliefs (disregarded under the influence).

I like the mind-control category, and am happy to have it separated out from non-con. I think the rare good stuff really explore questions of identity, of cause and effect, of consequences, of complications, of accountability. These are different questions than the ones that typically come up in non-con.

My current story-in-progress is in science fiction, which might be a bit of a poor move for optimizing readership. I could have gone for some other genre because it has all sorts of other elements going on, but at heart, it is science fiction, and while there may be non-con, mind-control, group-sex, and (a little) incest, only a science fiction fan is really going to enjoy the whole of it.
 
Oh, one other thought on the rules... I am not as experienced as some, but in my one start on mind-control, I have a character who very much does regret what has happened to her. In fact, everyone rather regrets the situation. I know this is used as a rule of thumb, but a little bit like the categories, the rule might best be: who is going to be so horrified by what happens that they complain about it? Because really, it's going to be reader complaints that get a story removed.

There is a lot of serious non-con in the mind control category. The "did she enjoy it" and "does she regret it" dictum is, I think, a way of trying to get at the essence: is the porn fetish focussed on abuse and suffering, or is this a low-point in a narrative that is eventually and essentially positive. You can't have a redemptive arc without something to redeem, so if everything needed to be happy clappy all the time, the genre would be soulless. People can do bad things, they can even enjoy bad things, but if the end result is erotica designed to have readers get off specifically on the badness of things (abuse, rape, harm, suffering, etc.), then you are probably and rightfully going to run into trouble on literotica.
 
There  are mind control stories that are consensual, where both parties go into it willingly.

Mind control is definitely a category of its own.

But yes, most mind control stories have nonconsensual elements in them, and mind control fans typically like to pretend they aren't technically nonconsensual.

Earlier this month, I posted the first chapter of my first story, Dark Whispers, and one complaint I've had was that someone in the story explicitly points out that it's nonconsensual.
 
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