Our bodies, ourselves; and our Other(s)

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After writing this response, and thinking about other recent threads on gender differences, I thought I'd start a new one. FYI, this quote came from Svenskaflicka's "Female Humour" thread. - Perdita
gauchecritic said:
I think you'll find that the reason women will use self-deprecating humour with each other (apart from it being with each other and completely different with blokes) is that they don't use spoken language when communicating. If ever anyone can 'cut you dead with a look' it's a woman to another woman.
The words coming out of their mouths isn't necessarily what they are 'saying'.
And it's no good trying to prove me wrong with typed words. I can't see the flick of the hair or the narrowing of the eyes or hear the 'way' you say it.
Yes, we can ‘cut’ with looks, but to men and children also. What man needed more at certain times than the look his mother, sister, wife, slut, etc. gave him in order to ‘get’ the point? Generally ‘the look’ is more meaningful and substantive than a string of words—good heavens! a whole sentence—from a man. My sons' father was always befuddled at the authority of my voice, or a mere nod, with my boys; he couldn't get them to obey him for money. (Women also laugh, guide, love, console, nurture and give grace through looks.)

Women live more completely in and with their bodies. We have breasts that are ‘out there’ always; we feel them with the slightest movement, sexual arousal, or chill; we know they are the focus of any man’s gaze; and we know they can kill us. Monthly hormone activity, pregnancy and childbirth, and menopause make for being better in tune physiologically, and therefore psychologically or emotionally, with our bodies than men. Women learn to separate themselves too early and too easily, to divide themselves up into many parts so that there is no mirror, whether real or metaphorical or reflected in another person's face, clear enough for one of us to see ourselves as whole. How can our voice and speech not mirror that, even in humor?

Of course many times the words coming out of our mouths do not sound true to men as we are always on the alert at how scary or threatening they can be to them. On the other side of the mouth, if you will, men too often speak without a clue as to how a woman will receive their words. They might warn you not to ‘read’ more into what they say, but more often than not a man has no idea that what they are saying may be registering in a woman’s brain or heart, and not her cunt or arse.

If humor is an opposite of anything for a woman it shadows pain of loss and all the anxieties that layer over a lifetime like fossils in a mountain of granite. We’re like houses that men enter at our welcome, then walk around opening all the doors and windows, and turning on the lights as if they belonged their. Perhaps there is no trespass if the welcome is generous enough, but it is rare that a man understands the privilege he has been given, or the risk the house’s mistress has taken.

I speak now because the above quote served as a catalyst, but also because the best of authors here, even in writing erotica, can serve minimally to enlighten the communications between men and women. I would be interested in any other thoughts in any direction and by any gender or particular role-playing persuasion. To be clear, what I’ve said is culled from my experience of life, along with those of my closest friends, so I am not looking for arguments, just other or new ideas.

Note: No hair flicking, narrowing of eyes or particular vocal technique was used in writing this post.
 
Perdita:
"Yes, we can ‘cut’ with looks, but to men and children also. What man needed more at certain times than the look his mother, sister, wife, slut, etc. gave him in order to ‘get’ the point? Generally ‘the look’ is more meaningful and substantive than a string of words—good heavens! a whole sentence—from a man."


I don’t believe I've ever cut any one with a look. I've given the "don't fuck with me" look to people. If I'm upset with a person I typically just disengage myself from them. It's more my nature to brick wall someone than give looks.

"We have breasts that are ‘out there’ always; we feel them with the slightest movement, sexual arousal, or chill; we know they are the focus of any man’s gaze; and we know they can kill us."

I don't have that type of relationship with my breast. The only time I feel them is when I'm jogging or wearing a bad bra. Yes, my nipples harden when it's cold but that's about it. I've never noticed a man staring at my breasts. That's not to say they don't but I'm usually oblivious to the gaze of others unless they're trying to make eye contact.

I think that's the reason people constantly mistake me for a store employee. I was walking around Barnes and Noble the other day and three people stopped me to ask where to find a book.

As for my breasts killing me, I haven't yet grasped the fact that I can die, yet.

" Monthly hormone activity, pregnancy and childbirth, and menopause make for being better in tune physiologically, and therefore psychologically or emotionally, with our bodies than men. Women learn to separate themselves too early and too easily, to divide themselves up into many parts so that there is no mirror, whether real or metaphorical or reflected in another person's face, clear enough for one of us to see ourselves as whole. How can our voice and speech not mirror that, even in humor?"

I'm not certain where you're going with this section. I tend to divide myself up into body and mind. I know dualism is an artificial construct but it's a handy one. I think it's getting in the way of my understanding you though.

What mirror are you looking for? Are you looking for a reflection of self? What I consider *myself* is neither male nor female. If I woke up tomorrow with in a man's body I would still consider myself Never.

" Of course many times the words coming out of our mouths do not sound true to men as we are always on the alert at how scary or threatening they can be to them."
I've been told I'm intimidating, aloof. I never see it though. I can't imagine I could say anything to a man that would be scary or threatening to them.

"On the other side of the mouth, if you will, men too often speak without a clue as to how a woman will receive their words. They might warn you not to ‘read’ more into what they say, but more often than not a man has no idea that what they are saying may be registering in a woman’s brain or heart, and not her cunt or arse."
I think that's true for all people. You can never really know how your words affect others. You can never see inside of them. I think all communication is a sloppy science at best.

"We’re like houses that men enter at our welcome, then walk around opening all the doors and windows, and turning on the lights as if they belonged their. Perhaps there is no trespass if the welcome is generous enough, but it is rare that a man understands the privilege he has been given, or the risk the house’s mistress has taken."

Women aren't much better.

I really like your thread and can't wait to read the other responses. I'm having trouble understanding where you're coming from but that's not unusual.
 
Never said:
I think that's the reason people constantly mistake me for a store employee.

I really like your thread and can't wait to read the other responses. I'm having trouble understanding where you're coming from but that's not unusual.
Never, I love the first quote above, made me smile wide; have no idea what you look like but I could almost 'see' you.

No need to understand 'where I'm coming from', and as I said I don't want to argue about personal thoughts and feelings, but I thank you for responding. I did try to not appear as if I were pitting the sexes against each other, but that's hard to do, obviously. For my purposes I chose not to highlight how equal men and women can be when sharing a gutter.

Let me also apologize publicly for my break-away but rude thread recently. You seem a remarkable woman and I am enjoying reading your posts; with time I may even get to read your work.

Best, Perdita
 
Ha!!!!

You don't scare me with that look young lady, ;)

I seem to have wandered into a lady thing again here, must get the old hormone count checked:) I'll make comment on the facial expression versus speach bit, but I don't think I'll delve into ladies breasts or hormones, hehe!!

My darling wifey can indicate a thousand words with about 4 or 5 different looks on her pretty face.

Oh she can, so much can be said with body language and facial expressions, ranging from, 'I love you' through 'come to bed' and eventually, 'is that the best you could do, 5 minutes, paa!!'
But you know what I mean I'm sure, a joke thing the sex business, but this can apply to a lot of situations.

We have a mutual friend, a young lady, who lives nearby, Valerie, she never uses words if a look will do the job, she's very economical with her words, but believe me she can take a person to pieces with half a dozen words and half a dozen crafty expressions of her face. Valerie rips the micky out of folks with few words needed.

Hello Never, don't happen to know where the technical book section is do you, oops sorry thought you worked here.
Only joking love, sorry couldn't resist it, I'll go now then shall I.

Byeee both pops.......

:D
 
Re: Re: Our bodies, ourselves; and our Other(s)

Svenskaflicka said:
Not mine. :(

Svenskaflicka
B-cup

My Dear Svenskaflicka, with a lady of your quality of mind, I believe any gentleman would not notice. Size really does not matter at all...............
 
The nicest thing I have ever heard anyone say about my breasts was: "If they were bigger, they wouldn't fit in my hands!" :heart:
 
Flicka-mou: Obviously you make one of my points, or two. :)

But, to repeat: A goddess need not fret (or frott) about her tits. You reign, Madame.

Perd :heart:

p.s. you will get my feedback today.
 
My Grandmother must not have learned the 'look' or else I was immune to its effect. :rolleyes:

She always reinforced the power of her 'words' with a big wooden spoon. :(
 
Motherly powers of persuasion

Quasimodem said:
She always reinforced the power of her 'words' with a big wooden spoon. :(

My mother used the powerful combination of an arched eyebrow and a spatula.
MG
 
Quas & MG:

No offense, but were your grans dominatrice?

Man, I try to put up a serious thread and it degenerates to kitchen implements. A sorry stage for feministas.

Perdita :mad:
 
Body Language

Body Language has become an "in" thing for interviews for City Hall jobs.

However Body Language can be significantly modified by injury or disability. A upright stance in a chair can be interpreted as presenting as "Stiff and Unbending: unlikely to fit into a group". But if the individual has spinal damage they can be physically stiff and unbending without being like that in their personality.

Any physical departure from the norm will bias the body language that is presented to an interviewer.

Og
 
Re: Body Language

oggbashan said:
Any physical departure from the norm will bias the body language that is presented to an interviewer.
Dear Og,
Does that mean I'm making the wrong impression when I get up on a table and sing "The Hedgehog Can't be Buggered?"
MG
 
Re: Re: Body Language

MathGirl said:
Dear Og,
Does that mean I'm making the wrong impression when I get up on a table and sing "The Hedgehog Can't be Buggered?"
MG

No.

Og
 
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