Orange ass-clown Trump wants to take over Gaza, kill all the Palestinians

[butters]

Imagine if all the $billions the muslim states sent Hamas for weapons had, instead, been used to pay for hospitals and schools and food and starting businesses and building roads etc etc etc

indeed, but would Israel still not have bombed them to pieces anyway?

personally, I don't believe hamas should exist any more, but I don't equate hamas with being Palestinian any more than I do a trump-cultist with being a Patriot. And if hamas has no say, something else will replace it... something else Israel still will reject. It's up to the Palestinians, under a two-state initiative, to remove current hamas leadership—replacing it with a 'watered down version dedicated to peace and the people'—or to do away with it altogether in a democratic decision.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Palestinians are hamas too.

 

[Hel_Books]

indeed, but would Israel still not have bombed them to pieces anyway?

personally, I don't believe hamas should exist any more, but I don't equate hamas with being Palestinian any more than I do a trump-cultist with being a Patriot. And if hamas has no say, something else will replace it... something else Israel still will reject. It's up to the Palestinians, under a two-state initiative, to remove current hamas leadership—replacing it with a 'watered down version dedicated to peace and the people'—or to do away with it altogether in a democratic decision.

If the people supplying them with weapons and encouraging them to attack the Jews, instead supplied them with food and medicine and housing and encouraged them to live peacefully, then they wouldn't have attacked the Jews and the Jews wouldn't have had to shoot back.

 

[butters]

If the people supplying them with weapons and encouraging them to attack the Jews, instead supplied them with food and medicine and housing and encouraged them to live peacefully, then they wouldn't have attacked the Jews and the Jews wouldn't have had to shoot back.

that's nice, but completely ignores the fighting that was ongoing beforehand.... Oct. 7th's heinous massacre didn't happen in a vacuum, did it?

 

[RobDownSouth]

If the people supplying them with weapons and encouraging them to attack the Jews, instead supplied them with food and medicine and housing and encouraged them to live peacefully, then they wouldn't have attacked the Jews and the Jews wouldn't have had to shoot back.

The Israeli Navy blockade confiscated all food, medicine and building supplies that they deemed "bound for Gaza".

 

[Politruk]

Palestinians are hamas too.

No, they're not. Hamas are Palestinians. Putting it the other way around ls like saying rednecks are Klansmen.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

indeed, but would Israel still not have bombed them to pieces anyway?

personally, I don't believe hamas should exist any more, but I don't equate hamas with being Palestinian any more than I do a trump-cultist with being a Patriot. And if hamas has no say, something else will replace it... something else Israel still will reject. It's up to the Palestinians, under a two-state initiative, to remove current hamas leadership—replacing it with a 'watered down version dedicated to peace and the people'—or to do away with it altogether in a democratic decision.

Israel didn’t start bombing Gaza until the attack on October7th.

 

[Hel_Books]

The Israeli Navy blockade confiscated all food, medicine and building supplies that they deemed "bound for Gaza".

Did the Royal Navy allow shipping to Nazi Germany while V-2 rockets were falling on London?

Now the people living in Gaza (they're Egyptians, really, as they were part of Egypt before the moslems started the wars) are living in rubble because they were a party to kidnapping, hostage taking and murder.

They're just pawns, manipulated by Iran and the other islamist wankers to stir up hate and chaos to distract their people from the atrocious repressive regimes they live under.

 

[Hel_Books]

that's nice, but completely ignores the fighting that was ongoing beforehand.... Oct. 7th's heinous massacre didn't happen in a vacuum, did it?

I suppose you could go all the way back to 500 BC and the big moslem massacre of jews in . . .

Oh, wait a minute! There were NO moslems back then! They invaded centuries later and tried to kill all the jews and got pretty close to doing so.

 

[Hel_Books]

No, they're not. Hamas are Palestinians. Putting it the other way around ls like saying rednecks are Klansmen.

Perhaps, but it makes things awful confusing when "Hamas" terrorists are shooting from a UN-run hospital full of "not-Hamas" people!

For all the atrocities perpetrated by Klansmen, they couldn't come close to the evil these folks come up with.

 

[Politruk]

Meanwhile, Egypt has a different plan.

CAIRO (AP) — Arab leaders on Tuesday endorsed Egypt’s postwar plan for the Gaza Strip that would allow its roughly 2 million Palestinians to remain, in a counterproposal to U.S. President Donald Trump’s plan to depopulate the territory and redevelop it as a beach destination.

The $53 billion plan’s endorsement by Arab leaders at a summit in Cairo amounted to a rejection of Trump’s proposal. The summit conclusions were welcomed by Hamas, rejected by Israel and given a lukewarm response by the Trump administration.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi expressed his appreciation for “the consensus among the Arab countries to support the reconstruction plan for the Gaza Strip, which allows the Palestinian People to stay on their land without displacement.”

In a social media post after the summit, el-Sissi said he looked forward to working with Trump, other Arab nations and the international community “to adopt a plan that aims for a comprehensive and just settlement of the Palestinian Issue, ends the root causes of the Israeli Palestinian conflict, guarantees the security and stability of the peoples of the region and establishes the Palestinian State.”

 

[PersonalFavors]

Meanwhile, Egypt has a different plan.

CAIRO (AP) — Arab leaders on Tuesday endorsed Egypt’s postwar plan for the Gaza Strip that would allow its roughly 2 million Palestinians to remain, in a counterproposal to U.S. President Donald Trump’s plan to depopulate the territory and redevelop it as a beach destination.

The $53 billion plan’s endorsement by Arab leaders at a summit in Cairo amounted to a rejection of Trump’s proposal. The summit conclusions were welcomed by Hamas, rejected by Israel and given a lukewarm response by the Trump administration.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi expressed his appreciation for “the consensus among the Arab countries to support the reconstruction plan for the Gaza Strip, which allows the Palestinian People to stay on their land without displacement.”

In a social media post after the summit, el-Sissi said he looked forward to working with Trump, other Arab nations and the international community “to adopt a plan that aims for a comprehensive and just settlement of the Palestinian Issue, ends the root causes of the Israeli Palestinian conflict, guarantees the security and stability of the peoples of the region and establishes the Palestinian State.”

That 'new plan' is a dollar figure on the 2 state solution that has provided all the conflict.
More war is not a solution.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Did the Royal Navy allow shipping to Nazi Germany while V-2 rockets were falling on London?

Now the people living in Gaza (they're Egyptians, really, as they were part of Egypt before the moslems started the wars) are living in rubble because they were a party to kidnapping, hostage taking and murder.

They're just pawns, manipulated by Iran and the other islamist wankers to stir up hate and chaos to distract their people from the atrocious repressive regimes they live under.

Ironic that the Royal Navy was stealing all its oil to move its boats from Iran during and after that war.

 

[Bray123]

Leading European nations have said they support an Arab-backed plan for the reconstruction of Gaza that would cost $53 billion (£41 billion) and avoid displacing Palestinians from the territory.
The plan, drawn up by Egypt and endorsed by Arab leaders, has been rejected by Israel and by US President Donald Trump, who presented his own vision to turn the Gaza Strip into a "Middle East Riviera".
On Saturday the foreign ministers of France, Germany, Italy and Britain welcomed the plan, which calls for Gaza to be rebuilt over five years, as "realistic".
In a statement, they said the proposal promised "swift and sustainable improvement of the catastrophic living conditions" for the people of Gaza.
The plan calls for Gaza to be governed temporarily by a committee of independent experts and for international peacekeepers to be deployed to the territory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rz0jvvpwwo

Peace and rebuilding v. genocide and golf courses.

 

[Politruk]

Now the people living in Gaza (they're Egyptians, really

Egypt won't take them. They are not Egyptian, they are not Jordanian, and they are not Israeli. They are entitled to some name more specific than "Arab," and "Palestinian" is the best name available.

 

[Politruk]

That 'new plan' is a dollar figure on the 2 state solution that has provided all the conflict.
More war is not a solution.

Neither is perpetuation of the status quo, with the residents of the OTs as powerless subjects of an Apartheid regime. Only a two-state solution or a one-state solution can possibly end the fighting --- no third option will.

 

[Hel_Books]

Egypt won't take them. They are not Egyptian, they are not Jordanian, and they are not Israeli. They are entitled to some name more specific than "Arab," and "Palestinian" is the best name available.

The partition initially divided the land among nations: Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel. For the moslems to say, "Hey mate, we lost all the wars we started, but we still deserve to have another country because . . ." is simply despicable.

 

[Politruk]

personally, I don't believe hamas should exist any more, but I don't equate hamas with being Palestinian any more than I do a trump-cultist with being a Patriot.

Equating being a MAGAt with being a patriot is like equating being a Baptist with being a Communist.

 

[Politruk]

The partition initially divided the land among nations: Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel. For the moslems to say, "Hey mate, we lost all the wars we started, but we still deserve to have another country because . . ." is simply despicable.

The Palestinians deserve a country just because they exist.

 

[Hel_Books]

The Palestinians deserve a country just because they exist.

The moslem nations cut them loose so terrorists could establish their squats there and lob rockets and stage kidnapping raids on Israel from there, while the moslems could point the finger at Israel and scream that they are a "Zionist Entity" that must be "Wiped off them map" because they shoot back at Hamas or Fatah or whoever.

It's a cynical pose. Mister Bone Saw in Saudi Arabia and the headscarf-fetishizing Ayatollahs in Iran and Field Marshal Abdel Fattah el-Sisi in Egypt and all the others want to distract their long-suffering populations by giving them someone to hate.

So far, it's kept them in power, but for how much longer . . . ?

 

[RobDownSouth]

that's nice, but completely ignores the fighting that was ongoing beforehand.... Oct. 7th's heinous massacre didn't happen in a vacuum, did it?

Hamas had gathered tremendous pubic support after 15 years of Israeli oppression. Israel was starving the people of Gaza to death, slowly but surely.

The most obvious correlation is the Allied powers ruinous reparations demanded of Germany post-WW1, the resulting backlash fueled the Little Corporal's creation of the Third Reich. 'Nobody could have known that Germany would react so strongly!' (Woodrow Wilson did).

 

[UltraChad]

Hamas had gathered tremendous pubic support

Only among the same people who ISIS and the Cartels have garnered favor with....you and the other USA hating shit bags.

You're the domestic counterpart to our international enemies.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hamas had gathered tremendous pubic support after 15 years of Israeli oppression. Israel was starving the people of Gaza to death, slowly but surely.

The most obvious correlation is the Allied powers ruinous reparations demanded of Germany post-WW1, the resulting backlash fueled the Little Corporal's creation of the Third Reich. 'Nobody could have known that Germany would react so strongly!' (Woodrow Wilson did).

The only "demands" made of the moslems were "stop shooting at us" and "stop kidnapping our people and holding them hostage."

If you want a Nazi analogy (and everybody seems to go there eventually) then think of Hitler using the Jews as scapegoats the same way Mister Bone Saw in Saudi Arabia and the headscarf-fetishizing Ayatollahs in Iran and Field Marshal Abdel Fattah el-Sisi in Egypt and all the others want to distract their long-suffering populations by giving them someone to hate.

 

[UltraChad]

The only "demands" made of the moslems were "stop shooting at us" and "stop kidnapping our people and holding them hostage."

"Progressive" means DARVO piece of shit 99.9% of the time.

That's why they support criminals and cartels harming US citizens freely and openly here in the USA is the same reason they support terrorist abroad.

That's why they are anti-self defense rights of ANY kind.

 

[Hel_Books]

"Progressive" means DARVO piece of shit 99.9% of the time.

That's why they support criminals and cartels harming US citizens freely and openly here in the USA is the same reason they support terrorist abroad.

That's why they are anti-self defense rights of ANY kind.

The USA is a weird kind of place, though. You have college students demonstrating against Israel when it defends itself, but you also have gun-fetishists who "defend themselves" by shooting at some (dark-skinned) person who knocks on the wrong door by mistake!