Operations Fast & Furious

[miles]

Interestingly, and of serious note — if Secretary Geithner finds that the laws and programs which his Department administers have been violated, Treasury procedures mandate that the matter be referred to Eric Holder’s Justice Department for enforcement!

Obama can appoint a Law Enforcement Czar to handle this.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Interestingly, and of serious note — if Secretary Geithner finds that the laws and programs which his Department administers have been violated, Treasury procedures mandate that the matter be referred to Eric Holder’s Justice Department for enforcement!

Obama can appoint a Law Enforcement Czar to handle this.

Gun Run Czar

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Time for a grand jury.

... and the James Carville show...


He's a Martian and he wants your babies to smoke!

 

[miles]

Time for a grand jury. Truth is with a corrupt AG, a corrupt President who's party owns the Senate your pretty much fucked.

The jury will be comprised of Obama contributors and OWS types.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If gun running wasn't bad enough, we were also laundering their money...

Were we supplying the drugs too?




http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...undering-operation-in-mexico/?test=latestnews

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Can you imagine the howl that would go up if it were a Republican administration? We'd have at least 6 months of noisy bed wetting going on.

Are you kidding?

We still get Iran-Contra thrown at us every couple of months or so...

Ol' EE used to be obsessed with the topic.

 

[MeeMie]

For Barack Obama’s Attorney General – tomorrow may in fact be the day the proverbial “Sh-t has hit the fan” for Mr. Eric Holder. Not only will Attorney General Holder be facing down a mounting pile of evidence implicating his Department of Justice and its complicity in the failed and deadly Operation Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal, but now Congressman Darrell Issa is launching yet another investigation into a similar scheme involving the Obama DOJ assisting Mexican drug cartel leaders in their efforts to launder substantial sums of money.

This most recent investigation appears to in part – lead BACK TO CHICAGO:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/...etas-cartel-in-chicago-based-prosecution.html

It also appears Congressman Issa is in no mood to accept further stonewalling from Eric Holder:

"The existence of such a program again calls your leadership into question. The managerial structure you have implemented lacks appropriate operational safeguards to prevent the implementation of such dangerous schemes. The consequences have been disastrous. It is almost unfathomable to contemplate the degree to which the United States Government has made itself an accomplice to the Mexican drug trade, which has thus far left more than 40,000 people dead in Mexico since December 2006.
Given your upcoming testimony this Thursday before the House Judiciary Committee, it is imperative that Congress be apprised of the true dimensions of these alleged operations immediately. Please arrange to provide a briefing to my staff by no later than Wednesday, December 7, 2011 at 5:00 PM to address these allegations."




And, in a just-breaking development – a Democrat (from Barack Obama’s home state no less) is finally and openly considering calling for Eric Holder’s resignation, as reported by the Daily Caller:


"Illinois Democratic Rep. Luis Gutierrez told The Daily Caller on Tuesday that he thinks “it’s much too early” for him to call for Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation over Operation Fast and Furious, but that he’s watching the congressional investigation closely and may do so soon. Gutierrez claimed that if he finds Holder “with knowledge and premeditation and foresight, was totally irresponsible, then he should leave."

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There was never any doubt about what they were up to, just denial...

 

[miles]

The DOJ has already been through several days of reckoning and have done nothing but stonewall the issue. Nothing will happen until the liberal media gives this story the attention it deserves. They'll get around to it in December 2012.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The DOJ has already been through several days of reckoning and have done nothing but stonewall the issue. Nothing will happen until the liberal media gives this story the attention it deserves. They'll get around to it in December 2012.

They will never get around to it unless YOU CAN BLAME BUSH!!!



They didn't want to know a damned thing about Ayers, Wright, or Rezko AND THEY STILL DON'T!

ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.
BROKAW: No, I don't, either.
ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.
ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?
BROKAW: Yeah, it's an interesting question.
ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches.
BROKAW: Two of them! I don't know what books he's read.
ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?
BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.
Tom Brokaw and Charlie Rose, The Charlie Rose Show
October 30, 2008 [The week before the election.]

But they know everything there is to know about the unfounded allegations against Herman Cain instigated by the Clinton machine when he embarrassed Bill over Hillary Care!

 

[miles]

They will never get around to it unless YOU CAN BLAME BUSH!!!



They didn't want to know a damned thing about Ayers, Wright, or Rezko AND THEY STILL DON'T!

ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.
BROKAW: No, I don't, either.
ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and
BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.
Tom Brokaw and Charlie Rose, The Charlie Rose Show
October 30, 2008 [The week before the election.]

But they know everything there is to know about the unfounded allegations against Herman Cain instigated by the Clinton machine when he embarrassed Bill over Hillary Care!

With Obama they didn't want to know!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

With Obama they didn't want to know!

His Osawatomie speech confirmed everything we ever said about his political orientation and that will be ignored as the usual suspects go out of their way to "prove" he's just your average, every-day, garden-variety, moderate centrist...




More than ever, a PRAGMATIC CENTRIST!

 

[MeeMie]

The plot behind Fast and Furious:


Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

By Sharyl Attkisson

That's that reporter that they tried to silence previously.

Attkisson described to Laura Ingraham how a DOJ spokesperson had “yelled” at her, and White House spokesman Eric Schultz “screamed and cussed” over her reporting on Operation Fast and Furious, a botched federal gunrunning sting. Reporting about reporting is somewhat unusual (not unheard of), but in this case, the attention being paid to it obscures the fact that Attkisson actually did a pretty fair job of conveying the administration’s objections in her interview with Ingraham.​

 

[MeeMie]

White House Insider Called It FIRST –
ATF used “Fast and Furious” To Make Case For Gun Regulations


Months earlier the White House Insider alluded to documents that would prove the Obama administration’s intent to utilize their own Fast and Furious gunrunning program and the resulting violence from that program as the impetus for enhanced gun control laws.

A just released CBS report now confirms those documents do in fact exist.

(see vette's post for details and link)


The implications of these emails are incredibly explosive, and are clear substantiation for what many felt was the true intent behind the Obama administration’s Fast and Furious operation all along – as well as irrefutable proof Insider has once again been proven accurate.



"Been told there is a memo, or was a memo, tying Fast and Furious directly to some kind of proposed gun control legislation or plan. Not certain how developed it was. Something that was pending . The memo is a direct link between the program and the gun control issue. An entire coordinated effort that required people to be killed. It is being talked about, but I have not seen it or spoken with anyone who has. So who knows? If it does exist and if Issa or someone comparable to him has it, then it implicates the administration at an entirely new level of corruption here. "
September 28, 2011


http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=38744958&postcount=164
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=38793344&postcount=165
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=39098130&postcount=186





. . . .

 

[koalabear]

The plot behind Fast and Furious:


Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

By Sharyl Attkisson


Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

More Fast and Furious coverage:
Memos contradict Holder on Fast and Furious
Agent: I was ordered to let guns "walk" into Mexico
Gunwalking scandal uncovered at ATF

On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as "(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue." And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell: "Bill--well done yesterday... (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case."

This revelation angers gun rights advocates. Larry Keane, a spokesman for National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade group, calls the discussion of Fast and Furious to argue for Demand Letter 3 "disappointing and ironic." Keane says it's "deeply troubling" if sales made by gun dealers "voluntarily cooperating with ATF's flawed 'Operation Fast & Furious' were going to be used by some individuals within ATF to justify imposing a multiple sales reporting requirement for rifles."

The Gun Dealers' Quandary

Several gun dealers who cooperated with ATF told CBS News and Congressional investigators they only went through with suspicious sales because ATF asked them to.

Sometimes it was against the gun dealer's own best judgment.

Read the email

In April, 2010 a licensed gun dealer cooperating with ATF was increasingly concerned about selling so many guns. "We just want to make sure we are cooperating with ATF and that we are not viewed as selling to the bad guys," writes the gun dealer to ATF Phoenix officials, "(W)e were hoping to put together something like a letter of understanding to alleviate concerns of some type of recourse against us down the road for selling these items."

Read the email

ATF's group supervisor on Fast and Furious David Voth assures the gun dealer there's nothing to worry about. "We (ATF) are continually monitoring these suspects using a variety of investigative techniques which I cannot go into detail."

Two months later, the same gun dealer grew more agitated.

"I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our conversation with you and various ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys. I guess I am looking for a bit of reassurance that the guns are not getting south or in the wrong hands...I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the risk of agents (sic) safety because I have some very close friends that are US Border Patrol agents in southern AZ as well as my concern for all the agents (sic) safety that protect our country."

"It's like ATF created or added to the problem so they could be the solution to it and pat themselves on the back," says one law enforcement source familiar with the facts. "It's a circular way of thinking."

The Justice Department and ATF declined to comment. ATF officials mentioned in this report did not respond to requests from CBS News to speak with them.

The "Demand Letter 3" Debate

The two sides in the gun debate have long clashed over whether gun dealers should have to report multiple rifle sales. On one side, ATF officials argue that a large number of semi-automatic, high-caliber rifles from the U.S. are being used by violent cartels in Mexico. They believe more reporting requirements would help ATF crack down. On the other side, gun rights advocates say that's unconstitutional, and would not make a difference in Mexican cartel crimes.

Two earlier Demand Letters were initiated in 2000 and affected a relatively small number of gun shops. Demand Letter 3 was to be much more sweeping, affecting 8,500 firearms dealers in four southwest border states: Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. ATF chose those states because they "have a significant number of crime guns traced back to them from Mexico." The reporting requirements were to apply if a gun dealer sells two or more long guns to a single person within five business days, and only if the guns are semi-automatic, greater than .22 caliber and can be fitted with a detachable magazine.

On April 25, 2011, ATF announced plans to implement Demand Letter 3. The National Shooting Sports Foundation is suing the ATF to stop the new rules. It calls the regulation an illegal attempt to enforce a law Congress never passed. ATF counters that it has reasonably targeted guns used most often to "commit violent crimes in Mexico, especially by drug gangs."

Reaction

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, is investigating Fast and Furious, as well as the alleged use of the case to advance gun regulations. "There's plenty of evidence showing that this administration planned to use the tragedies of Fast and Furious as rationale to further their goals of a long gun reporting requirement. But, we've learned from our investigation that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions. It's pretty clear that the problem isn't lack of burdensome reporting requirements."

On July 12, 2011, Sen. Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department oversees ATF. They asked Holder whether officials in his agency discussed how "Fast and Furious could be used to justify additional regulatory authorities." So far, they have not received a response. CBS News asked the Justice Department for comment and context on ATF emails about Fast and Furious and Demand Letter 3, but officials declined to speak with us.

"In light of the evidence, the Justice Department's refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable," Rep. Issa told CBS News

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_1...furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

So now we have long gun registration in 4 Southwestern States.

 

[miles]

That's that reporter that they tried to silence previously.

Attkisson described to Laura Ingraham how a DOJ spokesperson had “yelled” at her, and White House spokesman Eric Schultz “screamed and cussed” over her reporting on Operation Fast and Furious, a botched federal gunrunning sting. Reporting about reporting is somewhat unusual (not unheard of), but in this case, the attention being paid to it obscures the fact that Attkisson actually did a pretty fair job of conveying the administration’s objections in her interview with Ingraham.​

This administration is a fucking disgrace.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

McCARTHYISM!!!!

 

[Ishmael]

The next question is, "What did Hillary know, and when did she know it?" As I recall Hillary was the first senior administration official to publicly start lobbying for tougher gun laws based on US gun dealers "arming the Mexican drug cartels."

Was she set up by the DOJ? Based on the cross border flow of arms and money (the money laundering is as interesting as the guns, just not as emotionally charged) there is no way that State wasn't involved to some extent. It is possible that State was kept in the dark about the actual activity taking place, but those agents could not be moving back and forth across the border without State being aware, especially in the case of the armed agents in Mexico.

Government bureaucracies play 'gotcha' games with each other all the time. If State was used by the DOJ in these ill conceived operations I can imagine that there are a shit pot full of career bureaucrats at State that are seriously pissed off, after all they're the ones that are going to have to clean up the mess from the diplomatic standpoint.

And then there is the possibility that State really was 'in the loop.'

Issa seems to be tenacious in following the bread crumbs, one whiff and I'm certain he'll be all over States ass.

Ishmael

 

[koalabear]

The next question is, "What did Hillary know, and when did she know it?" As I recall Hillary was the first senior administration official to publicly start lobbying for tougher gun laws based on US gun dealers "arming the Mexican drug cartels."

Was she set up by the DOJ? Based on the cross border flow of arms and money (the money laundering is as interesting as the guns, just not as emotionally charged) there is no way that State wasn't involved to some extent. It is possible that State was kept in the dark about the actual activity taking place, but those agents could not be moving back and forth across the border without State being aware, especially in the case of the armed agents in Mexico.

Government bureaucracies play 'gotcha' games with each other all the time. If State was used by the DOJ in these ill conceived operations I can imagine that there are a shit pot full of career bureaucrats at State that are seriously pissed off, after all they're the ones that are going to have to clean up the mess from the diplomatic standpoint.

And then there is the possibility that State really was 'in the loop.'

Issa seems to be tenacious in following the bread crumbs, one whiff and I'm certain he'll be all over States ass.

Ishmael

You had Oblamer, Holder and Hillary making speeches in Mexico blaming the second amendment for Mexico's death rate. They needed proof, so gunrunner came in handy.

 

[MeeMie]

Obama Fast and Furious Scandal: “Impeachment”


If you don’t get to the bottom of this, there is only one alternative, and it’s called impeachment.

-Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner to Attorney General Eric Holder on December 8th, 2011.



In what was at times an increasingly heated question and answer session between Obama administration Attorney General Eric Holder and Republican members of Congress, it appears the war of words being waged between Congresssional investigators and the Department of Justice is about to be enter a new high-stakes phase of all-out war between those seeking full disclosure regarding Fast and Furious and the continued cover-up efforts of the Obama administration. Certainly it is not an issue President Obama wishes to see growing increasingly public as he attempts to convince Americans to re-elect him for a second term.



As for Attorney General Holder, he appeared both frustrated and nervous during a number of exchanges he had with Congressional members at yesterday’s hearing. California Congressman Darrell Issa, who has spearheaded the investigation into the deadly gunrunning operation dubbed Fast and Furious that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens as well as American law enforcement officials, was clearly in no mood to entertain Eric Holder’s insistence that he knew little or nothing regarding an operation that involved multiple federal agencies and the sale of high powered weapons across international borders. Issa made a particularly interesting point when he asked Attorney General Holder how it was possible that of the 5000 government emails so far reviewed during the Fast and Furious investigation – not one of those emails involved Eric Holder – a clear signal from Congressman Issa that an ongoing and illegal cover-up was underway by the Obama administration.



When pressed to disclose who approved the multi-million dollar Fast and Furious operation, Attorney General Holder shrugged and stated:

We do not know who the particular person was.


To date, Holder has not fired one single individual related to the failed and deadly gunrunning operation. Not one. He indicated to Congress such firings may or may not happen sometime in the future.



Perhaps the most interesting and potentially damaging interaction came between Attorney General Holder and Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz. Congressman Chaffetz pushed aside Holder’s attempts to convince hearing members that he had never communicated the issues surrounding Fast and Furious to any other Obama administration officials – an admission that yet again reinforces the appearance of a significant and ongoing cover-up.

When asked if he had spoken to President Obama regarding the gunrunning operation, Eric Holder paused a moment before stuttering:

I don’t think so.


Openly showing disgust at the Attorney General’s attempt to indicate he could not recall discussing an operation that killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and American law enforcement, Congressman Chaffetz challenged the Attorney General on such a claim – to which a frustrated and defensive Eric Holder then responded to Chaffetz with the following:

You need to understand something about the way Washington works...

Democrats at the hearing smiled and chuckled at Holder’s words.

Congressman Chaffetz coolly stared back at Barack Obama’s Attorney General and reminded Eric Holder that months ago the president himself had publicly declared Eric Holder knew nothing about the Fast and Furious operation. If the Attorney General could not recall ever having spoken to the president regarding the operation – how then did President Obama know whether or not his Attorney General had anything to do with it?


The question hung in the air – with the earlier warning from Congressman Sensenbrenner hanging over the silence:

Impeachment.

 

[MeeMie]

Excerpt from December's AMERICAN RIFLEMAN magazine.:

Within a week of their election victory, the “Obama-Biden” Transition Team had posted on an Obama administration website (CHANGE.GOV) that listed several Anti-Gun Objectives as priorities for their administration, including, but not limited to:

• Permanently re-imposing the Clinton Gun Bans
  
• Opening up sensitive BATEF Gun “Trace” data for manipulation by Anti-Gun Polititicians
  
• Imposing Restrictions that would severely restrict Gun Shows

Within days of the Fast & Furious debacle, the web page, and it’s anti-gun agenda, disappeared into cyberspace.


Even Attorney General Eric Holder has since departed from the previous company line. In his first month on the job, at a news conference in Mexico City, Holder said:
“As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons.”


Also before Obama’s inauguration, Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) pressured Obama’s transition team to back her ban on ammunition magazines.
She later confided to Newsweek:
“They told me that’s not for now” ... ”that’s for later”.



Since then, the White House has maintained almost military discipline in it’s “DON”T OPENLY TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL” directive.
Whenever anyone breaks rank on the issue, they’re quickly brought back to toe the line.


Obama told Mrs James Brady on an anniversary of her husband's shooting, that he was working on some form of Gun Control “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”


Yup ...
"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this Presidency"

 

[koalabear]

Excerpt from December's AMERICAN RIFLEMAN magazine.:

Within a week of their election victory, the “Obama-Biden” Transition Team had posted on an Obama administration website (CHANGE.GOV) that listed several Anti-Gun Objectives as priorities for their administration, including, but not limited to:

• Permanently re-imposing the Clinton Gun Bans
  
• Opening up sensitive BATEF Gun “Trace” data for manipulation by Anti-Gun Polititicians
  
• Imposing Restrictions that would severely restrict Gun Shows

Within days of the Fast & Furious debacle, the web page, and it’s anti-gun agenda, disappeared into cyberspace.


Even Attorney General Eric Holder has since departed from the previous company line. In his first month on the job, at a news conference in Mexico City, Holder said:
“As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons.”


Also before Obama’s inauguration, Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) pressured Obama’s transition team to back her ban on ammunition magazines.
She later confided to Newsweek:
“They told me that’s not for now” ... ”that’s for later”.



Since then, the White House has maintained almost military discipline in it’s “DON”T OPENLY TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL” directive.
Whenever anyone breaks rank on the issue, they’re quickly brought back to toe the line.


Obama told Mrs James Brady on an anniversary of her husband's shooting, that he was working on some form of Gun Control “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”


Yup ...
"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this Presidency"

Biden wrote the original Clinton gun ban bill.