One-star trolls

What is with these one-star troll posses that jump on decent stories as soon as they're published and load them with one-star reviews and nonsense comments? Are they anti-erotica crusaders or just assholes?
Part of the scenery, unfortunately. Delete is your friend - there's nothing heroic about keeping all the bullshit commentary. It's like a dog turd on your lawn - would you leave it there?
 
Almost a trope within a trope in Loving Wives.

I've been called a cuck writer because I did not burn the cheating wife sufficiently. I don't write willing cuck stories. I don't read willing cuck stories. I put my MC's safely in a happy end in the vast majority of my stories.
Ive been called a cuck writer because I wrote a swap story. EVERYONE got laid. No SPH. No bulls. No cock cages.

Kind of funny: "I didn't even read your story but I gave it a 1." You get used to it. I've even had it in stories that got overwhelmingly positive comments.
 
Almost a trope within a trope in Loving Wives.

I've been called a cuck writer because I did not burn the cheating wife sufficiently. I don't write willing cuck stories. I don't read willing cuck stories. I put my MC's safely in a happy end in the vast majority of my stories.
Ive been called a cuck writer because I wrote a swap story. EVERYONE got laid. No SPH. No bulls. No cock cages.

Kind of funny: "I didn't even read your story but I gave it a 1." You get used to it. I've even had it in stories that got overwhelmingly positive comments.
Didn't I say that at over a fifth of Americans are estimated to have a mental disorder? I'm just guessing that it's higher than most other countries (this is not a mellow place to live). That's purely speculative, of course. In any case, before social media (of which Lit is a part), such people had fewer options to express their feelings. Nowadays, it just takes a few moments at the keyboard to spew anything you wish.

We have debated only letting registered members vote and comment (no anonymous people allowed). So far, that has not been resolved. The site itself has not gotten involved with that issue.
 
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If I may add one thing: posting stories on-line requires developing a thick skin. I may not like everything I get about my stuff, but maybe it's good to push back against my tendency to avoid confrontations. In any case, most commentators seem to immediately go on to the next story.
 
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If I may add one thing: posting stories on-line requires developing a thick skin. I may not like everything i get about my stuff, but maybe it's good to push back against my tendency to avoid confrontations. In any case, most commentators seem to immediately go on to the next story.
Agreed 100 with the caveat to not internalize much of anything commented here.

"Thick skin" can be a shorthand for getting over one's internal "preciousness" about your creations in order to use experienced, knowledgeable feedback.

Finding that in comments is rare. Best to find a writing partner/group or even reach out (respectfully) to another author in the AH.

For the most part, I've been pleasantly surprised with most of my interactions.

Comments... (to me) feel fool's gold for the most part.
 
Didn't I say that at over a fifth of Americans are estimated to have a mental disorder? I'm just guessing that it's higher than most other countries (this is not a mellow place to live). That's purely speculative, of course. In any case, before social media (of which Lit is a part), such people had fewer options to express their feelings. Nowadays, it just takes a few moments at the keyboard to spew anything you wish.

We have debated only letting registered members vote and comment (no anonymous people allowed). So far, that has not been resolved. The site itself has not gotten involved with that issue.
Here's a thing. I've gotten used to the throwaway hate. I actually read the 'constructive' hate. One person correctly (and rather hatefully) pointed out that my characters tend to repeat dialogue within a story too much. He (probably he) was correct and I repeat less now. I'm not cured of repeating, but I do it less.

Here's the other side. I got a thank you email from a reader who said she cried when Kelsey in my story Shotgun learned the MC had decided to stay in the marriage and again when I wrote a line about her truly being 'home' for the first time in her life. That email more than undid 990834998987980293408 rando trolls writing that I'm a cuck writer. It made my day! I had several emails from that series especially that MUCH more than counterbalanced the hate.

I've had hits and misses in my stories. I hope I learn well from the misses.
 
Are they anti-erotica crusaders or just assholes?

People need to understand that Literotica is a shit place for new authors to publish on if they're seeking confirmation. I'm sorry, it just is.

You will be hard-pressed to find a site with a less entitled readership. Visitors here are used to getting whatever they want for free, while being able to insult and downvote every author who doesn't cater to their specific wants without facing ANY barriers or having to fear consequences.

Is that a nice thing? No. But if you throw your stuff into that pool, it's just something you'll have to live with. Because that's how Lit is. If you don't like it, post your stuff to AO3 or Wattpad, they don't have downvote buttons.
 
I really enjoy threads like this. Not in the sense I think its entertaining someone's story got hammered, but because the second someone posts a thread like this, everyone thinks "Must be LW' and it almost always is. Yet we have a couple of people here who constantly deny the quagmire that category is, or blame the author for having the nerve to write a story that doesn't conform to moralists and incels.
 
We have debated only letting registered members vote and comment (no anonymous people allowed). So far, that has not been resolved. The site itself has not gotten involved with that issue.
What do you mean, "that has not been resolved?"

There's nothing to "resolve", beyond what the site already allows authors to do. If you don't want comments or anonymous comments, and if you don't want votes, you can turn them off. But don't ever advocate disallowing anons from commenting and voting on my behalf. Anons are half of the tiny amounts of feedback we do get - I'd never want this notion of "only registered account holders can vote or comment'" to be imposed as a blanket rule. Never.
 
Sadly, if you go to a picnic, you’re going to get ants. The only silver lining is realizing that most of the trolls’ efforts inevitably get washed away with the next sweep.
 
Agreed 100 with the caveat to not internalize much of anything commented here.

"Thick skin" can be a shorthand for getting over one's internal "preciousness" about your creations in order to use experienced, knowledgeable feedback.

Finding that in comments is rare. Best to find a writing partner/group or even reach out (respectfully) to another author in the AH.

For the most part, I've been pleasantly surprised with most of my interactions.

Comments... (to me) feel fool's gold for the most part.
I've not haven't too many problems here, but some other people (like the OP) have. Sometimes critical feedback can be useful, although it may sting initially to read it. The last time I wrote anything for publication was over forty-five years ago for a college newspaper. Every issue might get one or two letters mailed in, so there wasn't a lot of feedback. Of course, the other people on the staff had some say about what went in, but generally they were pretty open to whatever was available.
 
What do you mean, "that has not been resolved?"

There's nothing to "resolve", beyond what the site already allows authors to do. If you don't want comments or anonymous comments, and if you don't want votes, you can turn them off. But don't ever advocate disallowing anons from commenting and voting on my behalf. Anons are half of the tiny amounts of feedback we do get - I'd never want this notion of "only registered account holders can vote or comment'" to be imposed as a blanket rule. Never.
There were a couple of threads about it a while back - I've lost track of the time. The way I remember it, the ability to turn off comments and votes clinched it. I always leave them on, and I usually don't remove any comments that are lucid. Sometimes they are useful.
 
I've not haven't too many problems here, but some other people (like the OP) have. Sometimes critical feedback can be useful, although it may sting initially to read it. The last time I wrote anything for publication was over forty-five years ago for a college newspaper. Every issue might get one or two letters mailed in, so there wasn't a lot of feedback. Of course, the other people on the staff had some say about what went in, but generally they were pretty open to whatever was available.
It takes someone knowledgeable to sift a living wage's worth of gold from muddy streams. Certainly more than the average submitter looking to find gold in dem thar hills.

Lit comments are muddy waters and only those with a firm foundation need to invest any real time in panning for actionable tips in them.

I found thoughtful exchange with fellow AHers to be more efficient use of time. Those who do drop in the comments I classify more an an intro/invitation to further exchange really than anything I can seriously cut my teeth on.

Glad it's a resource. Better than having them turned off. Don't place too much stock in them (especially dangerous when you aren't yet steady footed in your assessment of your craft (either to the good or bad)
 
You will be hard-pressed to find a site with a less entitled readership.

Was this meant to be "more entitled"?

Didn't I say that at over a fifth of Americans are estimated to have a mental disorder? I'm just guessing that it's higher than most other countries (this is not a mellow place to live). That's purely speculative, of course. In any case, before social media (of which Lit is a part), such people had fewer options to express their feelings. Nowadays, it just takes a few moments at the keyboard to spew anything you wish.

"Mental disorder" isn't the same as "being an arsehole". I don't know the exact breakdown, but I'd guess most of those one-in-five Americans have conditions like anxiety, depression, or eating disorders, none of which are likely to make somebody go bombing stories on Literotica.

There are a few mental health conditions that might encourage that kind of behaviour, but I suspect most of the bombing is coming from people without any diagnosable mental health condition who just happen to be arseholes.

(And even when somebody with a diagnosed mental health condition happens to be an arsehole, it doesn't always mean the one caused the other. Sometimes it's just a person with a mental health condition who is, independent of that, an arsehole.)

We have debated only letting registered members vote and comment (no anonymous people allowed). So far, that has not been resolved. The site itself has not gotten involved with that issue.

Authors do have the option to disable anonymous comments on their stories (though not votes) - this can be done through the author profile settings.
 
Was this meant to be "more entitled"?



"Mental disorder" isn't the same as "being an arsehole". I don't know the exact breakdown, but I'd guess most of those one-in-five Americans have conditions like anxiety, depression, or eating disorders, none of which are likely to make somebody go bombing stories on Literotica.

There are a few mental health conditions that might encourage that kind of behaviour, but I suspect most of the bombing is coming from people without any diagnosable mental health condition who just happen to be arseholes.

(And even when somebody with a diagnosed mental health condition happens to be an arsehole, it doesn't always mean the one caused the other. Sometimes it's just a person with a mental health condition who is, independent of that, an arsehole.)



Authors do have the option to disable anonymous comments on their stories (though not votes) - this can be done through the author profile settings.
I probably overstated the mental disorders aspect. I guess somewhere I picked up the idea that "human nature" is basically good and respectful, and anything that isn't is by definition a symptom of something wrong. Maybe that's what my parents, teachers, the church, the media, and everyone else taught us sixty years ago. I was skeptical even as a kid because there was plenty of evidence that it wasn't true. Yet I wanted to believe it anyway because otherwise the world seemed too unpredictable and even dangerous.
 
I probably overstated the mental disorders aspect. I guess somewhere I picked up the idea that "human nature" is basically good and respectful, and anything that isn't is by definition a symptom of something wrong.

I think there's a lot of truth in that, but the "something wrong" isn't always what would be considered a mental disorder, and mental disorders don't necessarily stop somebody from being good and respectful.
 
Was this meant to be "more entitled"?

No. I admit, I phrased that weirdly, but my intention was to point out that it's the same for all the free publishing sites (as far as I can tell, at least). The only difference between Lit and the rest is that here, thanks to the lack of barriers, you get a lot more of the unfiltered crap.

Take SOL, for example. They require you to register an account if you want to comment on a story, so there IS a barrier in place. But most of the comments I read there could still be copy & paste inserts of the anonymous comments I read on here, there are just less of them. And if you do a Google search on any story behind the SOL paywall, you have an 80% chance to find some Reddit thread where someone asks for premiere members to download the story and share it for free, usually with some snark remark about how they don't feel it's worth paying for, but they still want to read it.
 
No. I admit, I phrased that weirdly, but my intention was to point out that it's the same for all the free publishing sites (as far as I can tell, at least). The only difference between Lit and the rest is that here, thanks to the lack of barriers, you get a lot more of the unfiltered crap.

Take SOL, for example. They require you to register an account if you want to comment on a story, so there IS a barrier in place. But most of the comments I read there could still be copy & paste inserts of the anonymous comments I read on here, there are just less of them. And if you do a Google search on any story behind the SOL paywall, you have an 80% chance to find some Reddit thread where someone asks for premiere members to download the story and share it for free, usually with some snark remark about how they don't feel it's worth paying for, but they still want to read it.
Public comments on SOL are still a relatively new thing, and the author has to jump through hoops to even make them available. No comments is the default, and the submission wizard skips over the comment setting in the standard progression. You have to actively go back and change that setting to allow public comments. It's frankly a pain in the ass if you want to allow commenting, and most readers still aren't conditioned to even think about it.

As to the nature of the comments, I agree that there's little difference between here and there. The way you select stories there without categories reduces the tribalism that creates the worst of it, ( Loving Wives ) but they are still dominated by the generic "loved it, more!" and sneering complaints about this or that. Cheating still gets knocks, it just doesn't include the rants and death threats/wishes it does here. I used to get a lot more detailed and constructive feedback via email, but that's waned over the years.

1-bombing still happens as well. My most recent as RR was somewhat a burn the bastard story, and the first two votes were 1s. ( out of 10, meaning it's even worse ) LOL

The change to like-only voting on Lush has had much the same effect as building up favorites did here years ago. People quit making public comments, and instead just tap a button and move on. Having a 30+% vote to comment ratio used to be nothing unusual prior to first highlighting likes, and then making them the standard form of voting. Losing the setting that allowed authors to force a comment to vote contributed as well. People got used to about half of the stories requiring them to comment to cast a vote, and would do it automatically. The comment per vote/like is still a lot higher than here, and the nature of the commenting is generic positivity for the most part. Between the culture of the site, the heavy emphasis on social media interaction, and a large team of moderators with itchy trigger fingers, not many negative comments come through.

Both of those were built from the ground up as members-only sites ( at least as far as commenting is concerned ) which makes them poor candidates for comparison. Lit has been free from those constraints and around for decades. All you need to see is the outpouring of "get off my lawn!" comments every time a new feature rolls out to imagine what would happen if something so fundamental to the core of Lit as anonymity were to be abolished. It would be suicide to the cacophony of screeching protests.
 
Those who have been here tend to have thick skin. However, when a new writer, releasing their first story, gets savaged by the mob, they quite often get run off, never to be seen again
 
I'm getting the full troll red carpet treatment now on Polly, in LW. Not complaining, not going to avoid publishing the rest of it. I've read the crocodile signs and still got in the water, because I think the story needs to get up and it needs to be in LW. Authors shouldn't flinch from writing the stories we want to tell because some anon in the back of beyond got sad due to his divorce. That's the very definition of his problem/not mine.
 
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