On abortion

[about_average]

For those who think abortion is murder, are you prepared to have every woman who miscarries investigated by the police to determine if she was negligent, and if so, charge her with homicide?
What, in your minds, would constitute negligence worthy of a charge of homicide?

 

[kbate]

For those who think abortion is murder, are you prepared to have every woman who miscarries investigated by the police to determine if she was negligent, and if so, charge her with homicide?
What, in your minds, would constitute negligence worthy of a charge of homicide?

No, they are prepared to have all single women put into 'birthing camps' the minute they are diagnosed with 'out-of-wedlock pregnancy'.

 

[oggbashan]

I'm sorry. He was elected. He took over power. He hosted the Olympics and until he went to war, he would have been as welcome into the League of Nations/UN as the American President or the English Prime Minister. In fact, the Kennedy's loved the guy.

He and his party made the laws and they were as legitimate as ours.

...

The bolded statement is where Hitler broke his nation's own laws and constitution.

As for being welcome into the League of Nations/UN? Any de facto ruler, no matter how he/she assumed power, is accepted as the leader of their country. It doesn't matter that that power might have been asserted by gunfire.

Their laws were NOT as legitimate as the US's because Hitler's leadership was assumed by coup d'etat after being elected as leader of a minority administration. They were as legitimate as Pol Pot's.

 

[rosco rathbone]

All roads lead to Hitler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy69WTlEYSA

 

[1fromawoodpile]

Hitler celebrated German motherhood.

Ever heard of the Mothers Cross?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The bolded statement is where Hitler broke his nation's own laws and constitution.

As for being welcome into the League of Nations/UN? Any de facto ruler, no matter how he/she assumed power, is accepted as the leader of their country. It doesn't matter that that power might have been asserted by gunfire.

Their laws were NOT as legitimate as the US's because Hitler's leadership was assumed by coup d'etat after being elected as leader of a minority administration. They were as legitimate as Pol Pot's.

What difference does any of that really make?

I find it to be a parsing since the vast majority of Germans decided it was the law and decided to live under it.

And if you are in those countries and act as if the laws were illegitimate, you would soon find yourself in trouble. You would be hard-pressed to identify where the line was on legitimate and legitimate exists except to go on a case-by-case basis and decide it it offended your personal morality. Are the laws of Iran legitimate? Are the laws of Afghanistan legitimate? How about South Africa, born of coup and revolution? Hugo Chavez? like Hitler, elected to power, then seizing more control to the absolute delight of his supporters?

Or do they only become illegitimate when you pretty much don't approve of what they did in hindsight?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

No, Hitler seized emergency powers constitutionally, the only crime committed being . . . arson.


Then the field day commenced.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Perhaps I should have more clearly stated, Hitler was handed control of the country...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, Hitler seized emergency powers constitutionally, the only crime committed being . . . arson.


Then the field day commenced.

 

[oggbashan]

Perhaps I should have more clearly stated, Hitler was handed control of the country...

And Hitler has nothing to do with the US's obsession with its abortion laws.

 

[CandiCame]

And Hitler has nothing to do with the US's obsession with its abortion laws.

Welcome to the US. Hitler has everything to do with everything. He was the last great supervillian, so any time we want to insult someone, we scream Hitler at them, even if it has nothing to do with the situation and is clearly wrong.

"You know who liked abortions? HITLER!"
"You know who else wouldn't let you smoke in their apartment? HITLER!"
"You know who else was a vegetarian? HITLER!"
"You know who else would've wanted to buy the green flatware? HITLER!"

 

[1fromawoodpile]

Welcome to the US. Hitler has everything to do with everything. He was the last great supervillian, so any time we want to insult someone, we scream Hitler at them, even if it has nothing to do with the situation and is clearly wrong.

"You know who liked abortions? HITLER!"
"You know who else wouldn't let you smoke in their apartment? HITLER!"
"You know who else was a vegetarian? HITLER!"
"You know who else would've wanted to buy the green flatware? HITLER!"

Liberals should admire his environmental record as well as animal protection efforts. I mean WTF?

 

[CandiCame]

Liberals should admire his environmental record as well as animal protection efforts. I mean WTF?

You know who was mean to Liberals?

Hitler.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

You know who was mean to Liberals?

Hitler.

"Mean"? Dos't thee protest too lightly.

 

[oggbashan]

You know who was mean to Liberals?

Hitler.

And to Conservatives, Communists, homosexuals, the disabled, the mentally handicapped, Russians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And Hitler has nothing to do with the US's obsession with its abortion laws.

It was only brought up in the discussion saying that it could not be called murder because it was "lawful."

I think that even if we followed the leadership of Fabians and Progressives and made quality of life a legal metric for euthanasia, that it would still be murder just as much as the final solution was even though it was the law of the land just as Mao, Pol Pot and all the others murdered their fellow citizens "legally."

All we are saying is that it is murder, but we still allow it to occur because we don't want to punish a woman with life because she made a "mistake." However, since it took so long for us to begin studying the long-term mental health effects of such a callous treatment of life, we would still like to refer to it as what it really is in order to achieve the more enlightened goal of legal, but rare, and only when justifiable as in rape, product failure and health of the mother, but never because of "bad judgement." And this is where Akin got in trouble with his "legitimate" rape remark; he should have framed his answer better or simply been smart enough to keep his fucking mouth shut. I did not vote for him in the primary and I sure as hell won't vote for him in the general; he needs to be a real man and drop out, but he is surrounded by his fellow church goers who are assuring him that principle is more important that winning.

It is that emotional of an issue that a pyrrhic victory is an acceptable victory to those who hate the practice.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

And to Conservatives, Communists, homosexuals, the disabled, the mentally handicapped, Russians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks...

Oh well, no one is perfect. Heil Hitler!

 

[CandiCame]

And to Conservatives, Communists, homosexuals, the disabled, the mentally handicapped, Russians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks...

Don't kill my joke.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

East end boys and west end girls

 

[oggbashan]

Don't kill my joke.

He didn't like comics either.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

He didn't like comics either.

Not true! Hitler was a master of propaganda and their is heeps of comical antisemetic art from Nazi Germany.

 

[sweetvee]

I'm wrong because you're dumb? Okay.

I have met women (my patients) who have had >10 pregnancies with maybe 4 live births and they "thank God" for the option of abortion. Do I agree? No. But these people do exist.

Personal insults = you have nothing worthwhile to say. Thanks for playing!

 

[RobDownSouth]

I have met women (my patients) who have had >10 pregnancies with maybe 4 live births and they "thank God" for the option of abortion. Do I agree? No. But these people do exist.

Personal insults = you have nothing worthwhile to say. Thanks for playing!

Let's review here. You popped in here, declared some folks to be "fans of abortion" without anything to back up your claim, and when challenged you unilaterally declared any dissent to be "wrong".

...and now you shake your head in amazement that people are insulting you?

To address your specious and condescending claim directly, without insult: People who avail themselves of a medical procedure are not necessarily "fans" of it. I've had two cysts removed in the past two years in a doctor's office, this doesn't make me a "fan" of the procedure...in fact, I rather dislike it. Having said that, I do appreciate that the procedure is available to me.

Your smug commentary insinuated that women look forward to an abortion. It's my belief that the exact opposite is true, but I don't have firm data to back my claim so unlike you I won't state my opinion as some sort of fact.

 

[Disgustipated]

I have met women (my patients) who have had >10 pregnancies with maybe 4 live births and they "thank God" for the option of abortion. Do I agree? No. But these people do exist.

Personal insults = you have nothing worthwhile to say. Thanks for playing!

What Rob said. "Thanks for playing? " are you a Rory?

You typed some of the dumbest tripe ever written here and then say I have nothing worthwhile to say. That's funny.

 

[tripleflip]

Reducio ad Hitlerum

Welcome to the US. Hitler has everything to do with everything. He was the last great supervillian, so any time we want to insult someone, we scream Hitler at them, even if it has nothing to do with the situation and is clearly wrong.

"You know who liked abortions? HITLER!"
"You know who else wouldn't let you smoke in their apartment? HITLER!"
"You know who else was a vegetarian? HITLER!"
"You know who else would've wanted to buy the green flatware? HITLER!"

EVERYTHING has to do with Hitler. It's the new Final Argument, the substitute for "reducio ad absurdum" in today's trendy non-thought. Any argument is refuted by demonstrating that it was, might have been, would have been, could have been, or should have been, advanced by Hitler.