Oh My God!

[CharleyH]

I have read everything tonight ... so who in the AH is actually interested in writing again?

For the writers: Does character, sex or plot make an erotic narrative?

 

[The_Fool]

I have read everything tonight ... so who in the AH is actually interested in writing again?

For the writers: Does character, sex or plot make an erotic narrative?

An erotic narrative is created by me whispering words into your sex...

 

[kendo1]

So what have you been reading?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

The essence of the erotic is character as revealed through sex.

Or not.

 

[CharleyH]

The essence of the erotic is character as revealed through sex.

Or not.

Hm, I cant argue, so lets move on. Lets discuss shitty writers for a moment ... what does a shitty writer look like on paper?

 

[BlackShanglan]

For the writers: Does character, sex or plot make an erotic narrative?

Yes.



All right, all right. What I mean is, character and plot ideally are closely intertwined; the plot arises from considering how best to try, test, and reveal character, and the character is the person who most perfectly fits the more interesting elements of the plot, being opened and revealed by them in order to give depth and power to what would otherwise merely be incident. The sex works when it fits perfectly with plot and character and it could not possibly be otherwise.

If I ever manage that, I will let you know. Right now, I am battling "porn writer mind set" in which I keep heavily-overdoing the physical end of sex because I know I'm writing porn. Not that that would be bad if I really wanted to be writing porn, but I want to be writing fiction in which sex sometimes occurs.

Shanglan

 

[BlackShanglan]

Hm, I cant argue, so lets move on. Lets discuss shitty writers for a moment ... what does a shitty writer look like on paper?

See "Sweetness and Servitude."

The horror. The horror.

Shanglan

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Sex makes it sexual. Characters make the sexual erotic. Plot makes the erotic cleverly erotic. Cleverly erotic is usually also good.


Does that help?

 

[CharleyH]

Yes.



All right, all right. What I mean is, character and plot ideally are closely intertwined; the plot arises from considering how best to try, test, and reveal character, and the character is the person who most perfectly fits the more interesting elements of the plot, being opened and revealed by them in order to give depth and power to what would otherwise merely be incident. The sex works when it fits perfectly with plot and character and it could not possibly be otherwise.

If I ever manage that, I will let you know. Right now, I am battling "porn writer mind set" in which I keep heavily-overdoing the physical end of sex because I know I'm writing porn. Not that that would be bad if I really wanted to be writing porn, but I want to be writing fiction in which sex sometimes occurs.

Shanglan

I see you overdoing the description rather than sex? (innocent looking, not a bad thing) I see erotic in your writing, and I am not sure that I have ever read SHANG PORN, per say. Point me to your porn! I would love a guff of it.

 

[JamesSD]

I have read everything tonight ... so who in the AH is actually interested in writing again?

For the writers: Does character, sex or plot make an erotic narrative?

Sex, Character and plot, in that order of priority.

 

[kendo1]

Don't cough when you're drinking port. It makes your eyes water.

 

[lil_elvis]

I have read everything tonight ... so who in the AH is actually interested in writing again?

For the writers: Does character, sex or plot make an erotic narrative?

Guilty as charged for not submitting much, but doesn't mean I'm not writing.

Been placing more emphasis on plot and characters. Realizing how limited my skills are.

 

[CharleyH]

Sex makes it sexual. Characters make the sexual erotic. Plot makes the erotic cleverly erotic. Cleverly erotic is usually also good.


Does that help?

Sex is always sexual, characters make or break, plot depends on if you enjoy conventional or not. Cleverly erotic is always good ... how to you define it?

 

[CharleyH]

Guilty as charged for not submitting much, but doesn't mean I'm not writing.

Been placing more emphasis on plot and characters. Realizing how limited my skills are.

I have not had time to post stories either .... how do you mean limited? Are authors limited?

 

[CharleyH]

Don't cough when you're drinking port. It makes your eyes water.

Don't chew gum when walking, you will eventually fall in it

COME ON AUTHORS! YOU have questions and prejudices I am sure.

 

[kendo1]

Prejudices?

Yep! Spelling mitsakes.

 

[lil_elvis]

I have not had time to post stories either .... how do you mean limited? Are authors limited?

As I try to write more about the characters (and less about sex), I find my writing inadequate. The setting descriptions are weak, the dialog stilted.

Might have something to do with the limited amount of time available to dedicate to getting truly involved with the story. Damned difficult to accomplish my goals with only an hour here and there a few times each week.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I see you overdoing the description rather than sex? (innocent looking, not a bad thing) I see erotic in your writing, and I am not sure that I have ever read SHANG PORN, per say. Point me to your porn! I would love a guff of it.

Yes indeed, I need a Bushhog to cut back my description. Nearly all of my editing is trimming, trimming, trimming. I'm learning, I think - at least a little. That is, I accept that the first draft will be absurdly over-written crap and that the goal is to get the bare bones of the pot down and the people in the right places, with later drafts working on taking the formless sprawl of flabby sentences and reducing them to ever tighter, leaner, and more effective versions. (Note the "-er"s; I don't claim to have achieved any of those goals in the absolute sense.) S&S is one of my earliest and least revised, and I haven't gone back to it; don't think it's worth it.

I don't have any outright porn posted other than S&S, which is, of course, wretched. The rest all tries to achieve something in the way of a story. Even my "porniest" porn still involves stories and characters - I just seem to be wired that way - but I rarely like it and tend to delete it. I don't think I have any at the moment. Probably the closest is the later chapters of S&S, which are just a series of sex scenes, but they are so stickily sweet and syrupy that they thoroughly annoy me. One of these days I will take them down.

Shanglan

 

[Colleen Thomas]

To Me:

It can't be erotic without character. I have to feel something for the protag. Sex where there is no character developed may as well be a clinical case study.

The sex is the least important part of an erotic work. in the end, there are only so many ways to describe putting tab A in slot B.

The plot makes it a story. If there is no plot, even if I like the character created and the sex is well written, it's not an erotic story, just a sexy vingette.

So in order of priority:

Plot: to make it a story
Character: to make it erotic
Sex: to gratuitiously help me masturbate.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Does character, sex or plot make an erotic narrative?

"Or"? No. By themselves, neither of those things make an erotic narrative.

Character can make deliciously erotic stories, but it can't produce narrative unless you add plot to it. Plot all by itself can make wonderful narratives, but it won't be very erotic if you don't have any characters.

Adding (physical and graphical descriptions of) sex is an easy way to turn the character+plot mix into an erotic narrative, but it's the most superficial and least important of those three elements.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Plot: to make it a story
Character: to make it erotic
Sex: to gratuitiously help me masturbate.

Edit:FindandReplace:Sex / Horse.

I mean ... did I say that?

 

[kendo1]

To Me:

It can't be erotic without character. I have to feel something for the protag. Sex where there is no character developed may as well be a clinical case study.

The sex is the least important part of an erotic work. in the end, there are only so many ways to describe putting tab A in slot B.

The plot makes it a story. If there is no plot, even if I like the character created and the sex is well written, it's not an erotic story, just a sexy vingette.

So in order of priority:

Plot: to make it a story
Character: to make it erotic
Sex: to gratuitiously help me masturbate.

Couldn't agere more!

Though men and women may think differently.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Edit:FindandReplace:Sex / Horse.

I mean ... did I say that?

Should I get my stetson and ropers?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Though men and women may think differently.

Differently from horses?

 

[BlackShanglan]

Should I get my stetson and ropers?

Women of my dreams!