Obama's speech on race

[Sean]

He has a LOT to apologize for - starting with being a democrat and ending with his selection of friends.

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[Byron In Exile]

I think the point is moot now. BHO is pretty much out of the running. I don't think the DNC will let him run now.

Not that it makes much difference - there will still be a democrat in the election, and one who is almost a dangerous to the country as he is.

When do you think the DNC will announce that Obama can't run: before or after the Pennsylvania primary?

 

[HB1965]

You can condemn the association (which has been a long one). Which is what Obama needs to apologize for. The looong association with at least three such raciest, black supremacist preachers.

Oh? and what about McCain's association with racist, homophobic preachers? I think he needs to apologize for that.

 

[richard_daily]

Oh? and what about McCain's association with racist, homophobic preachers? I think he needs to apologize for that.

Are you kidding me? Both bushes and reagan were elected with the help of racist, homophobic preachers... that's the american way!

 

[Ishmael]

Are you kidding me? Both bushes and reagan were elected with the help of racist, homophobic preachers... that's the american way!

Link us up with those damning sermons sparky.

Ishmael

 

[busybody..]

Link us up with those damning sermons sparky.

Ishmael

he is NOT the first to posit that

MOANA also does

Vermy Skye as well

among others

To date

I have ASKED THEM all to produce links and of course they pretend Im on IGGY

BTW, they are so dumb, they dont realie that if Bush et al were "wrong" in their associations and that they shouldnt have been elected as a result

THEN THEIR DEFENSE OF BAM

Is

WHAT?






as if the Fallwell's et all amount to 1 iota of Wright

 

[Byron In Exile]

Oh? and what about McCain's association with racist, homophobic preachers? I think he needs to apologize for that.

But isn't Rev. Wright just about the raciest black preacher you ever saw?

Saucy, too.

 

[HB1965]

Link us up with those damning sermons sparky.

Ishmael

Hmm...Jerry Falwell criticizing MLK and supporting Anita Bryant in overturning an anti-homosexual descrimination law in Dade County Florida aren't enough for you?

 

[Ishmael]

he is NOT the first to posit that

MOANA also does

Vermy Skye as well

among others

To date

I have ASKED THEM all to produce links and of course they pretend Im on IGGY

BTW, they are so dumb, they dont realie that if Bush et al were "wrong" in their associations and that they shouldnt have been elected as a result

THEN THEIR DEFENSE OF BAM

Is

WHAT?






as if the Fallwell's et all amount to 1 iota of Wright

They aren't dumb BB. They're blind. Why do you think I started the "Clinton" thread last night?

It's all perception and faith. That's all it's ever been throughout history. Except for those that calculate the outcome. Like the rise of Tiberius Gracchus who by way of his plebian power moved Rome from republic to empire.

Those that favor a true democracy have no idea how quickly that moves to empire. In a mere half generation. And they say to themselves, "Not here." The egalitarianists that don't go down to the barrio. Those that think they can control the storm they plan to unleash.

When all that unravels the result is a totalitarian state. The only debate will be over the flavor.

The dirty little secret is that the rest of the world knows this as well as we should. And it's the fact that we don't know that that scares the shit out of them. In their shoes I might be frightened too.

They know as well as you and I that we've lost our way.
Whether that is real or not, that is the fear.

No one on the face of the earth can wage war like we do. We're into 4th generation warfare while others struggle to make 3rd. generation. Even in a pacification effort we're only losing a little over 1.5 souls a day. Reduce that to a war of attrition and the numbers are still phenominally low. (Insert some comment here by someone saying, "Even one is too many." Well I guess they can come back home and take their chances on the highway. If they had a feeling for numbers, they'd go back to Iraq.)

"But the difference is that over in Iraq some foriegner is trying to kill you." No shit? Ever lived in El Paso, or Miami? Dead is dead. Argue the merits of one sort of death over another.

Those that live, have always lived, and will continue to live, a risk free life are hell bent for leather to impose the same on the rest of society. Ants, just little ants.

If you measure quality in terms of security, you're a Lost Cause (Damn, I couldn't resist that one. Sorry LC.) You can't measure your life in quantity, for it is a certainty that you're going to die. Not if, not when (within reason), only why.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

But isn't Rev. Wright just about the raciest black preacher you ever saw?

Saucy, too.

Damn but that was good Byron.

Ishmael

 

[richard_daily]

Hmm...Jerry Falwell criticizing MLK and supporting Anita Bryant in overturning an anti-homosexual descrimination law in Dade County Florida aren't enough for you?

Come on, ishmael calls people a nigger on a regular basis, but claims he isn't racist... you think he'll accept any logical answer on the subject?

 

[Cade Is Here]

Come on, ishmael calls people a nigger on a regular basis, but claims he isn't racist... you think he'll accept any logical answer on the subject?

Lt is that you?

 

[Slowlane]

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There is a big difference between those one associates with through his job and those he associates with by choice.

 

[Slowlane]

When do you think the DNC will announce that Obama can't run: before or after the Pennsylvania primary?

They won't "announce" it they'll just edge him out of the running at the convention.

 

[Slowlane]

Oh? and what about McCain's association with racist, homophobic preachers? I think he needs to apologize for that.

Don't look to me for an argument. I don't like McCain either. The republicans aren't going to win this election any more than they did the last one - the democrats are loosing it.

 

[sigh]

And to address another point you brought up in another post about him 'reaching back' and tugging at the roots of the racial problem. Do you know where he got that? It's right out of Ward Connerly sigh and over a decade old.

So what? Ishmael, EVERYBODY pulls from their lifetime of experiences, taking things we've learned from what other people say or write or do. We assimilate all those experiences in our own unique ways and make them our own, and most of us can't even remember where we first heard them or where the notions came from.

I never claimed the ideas were his alone (and neither did he). In fact, I said that in this he thinks exactly as I do, so according to your notion (and I wonder what path it travelled to come to you), maybe he stole them from me, huh?

What's important is that as a candidate for president he's stood up and expressed thoughts that I agree with completely, and with more eloquence than any other president, or presidential candidate, in my memory.

 

[busybody..]

So what? Ishmael, EVERYBODY pulls from their lifetime of experiences, taking things we've learned from what other people say or write or do. We assimilate all those experiences in our own unique ways and make them our own, and most of us can't even remember where we first heard them or where the notions came from.

I never claimed the ideas were his alone (and neither did he). In fact, I said that in this he thinks exactly as I do, so according to your notion (and I wonder what path it travelled to come to you), maybe he stole them from me, huh?

What's important is that as a candidate for president he's stood up and expressed thoughts that I agree with completely, and with more eloquence than any other president, or presidential candidate, in my memory.

Where is this "place of oppression and repression" in which Obama has suffered "through the years"? Hawaii? Harvard? The Senate? We should find out immediately and do something about this horrific crisis.

 

[sigh]

I'm not sure which speech you listened to, BB. In the one that I heard he had this to say about his upbringing:

I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton’s Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I’ve gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world’s poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners – an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

Of course you're free to make up any shit you like. Lord knows if I could stop you, I would have long ago.

 

[Sean]

There is a big difference between those one associates with through his job and those he associates with by choice.

Bush only associates with Bandar because it's his job? Are you for real?

 

[richard_daily]

So what? Ishmael, EVERYBODY pulls from their lifetime of experiences, taking things we've learned from what other people say or write or do. We assimilate all those experiences in our own unique ways and make them our own, and most of us can't even remember where we first heard them or where the notions came from.

I never claimed the ideas were his alone (and neither did he). In fact, I said that in this he thinks exactly as I do, so according to your notion (and I wonder what path it travelled to come to you), maybe he stole them from me, huh?

What's important is that as a candidate for president he's stood up and expressed thoughts that I agree with completely, and with more eloquence than any other president, or presidential candidate, in my memory.

but... but... but....

HE'S BLACK!

 

[sigh]

And Obama had this to say about the comments of Reverend Wright:

...the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Since a lot of people seem unable to understand what this means, I'll explain it to you. It means he doesn't agree with what Reverend Wright said.

I just have to wonder what's wrong with that.

 

[HB1965]

Jerry Falwell great quotes:

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson agreed, quoted from John F Harris, "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)


And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F Harris, "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)


AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
-- Jerry Falwell

Good Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, quoted Freethought Today, December, 1999, cited by Anthony T. Podestra of People for the American Way in, Dietz and Holden, Satiricon, p 44; quoted from Steve Benson "Latter-Day Saint To Latter-Day Ain't"; commemorating the "Tell It Like It Is" Freethought In Media Award, presented on November 5, 1999, by the Freedom From Religion Foundation; excerpted by PAM

The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.
-- Jerry Falwell, Finding Inner Peace and Strength

But these things speak evil of those things, verse 10 [reading from Jude] which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Look at the Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church, almost accepted into the World Council of Churches. Almost, the vote was against them. But they will try again and again until they get in, and the tragedy is that they would get one vote. Because they are spoken of here in Jude as being brute beasts, that is going to the baser lust of the flesh to live immorally, and so Jude describes this as apostasy. But thank God this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there'll be a celebration in heaven.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, "Old Time Gospel Hour" broadcast, March 11, 1984, quoted by Rev Jerry Sloan, "Is Jerry Falwell a liar?" Freedom Writer, September, 1994


I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc., are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, USA Today Chat, quoted from The Religious Freedom Coalition, "The Two faces of Jerry Falwell"

The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.
-- Jerry Falwell, Listen, America!

Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell



The Falwell Follies

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"Every good Christian ought to kick [Jerry] Falwell
right in the ass." ---Barry Goldwater

 

[busybody..]

Where is this "place of oppression and repression" in which Obama has suffered "through the years"? Hawaii? Harvard? The Senate? We should find out immediately and do something about this horrific crisis.

 

[busybody..]

And Obama had this to say about the comments of Reverend Wright:

...the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Since a lot of people seem unable to understand what this means, I'll explain it to you. It means he doesn't agree with what Reverend Wright said.

I just have to wonder what's wrong with that.

Obama Denounces His White Grandmother as a Racist

By now you've been exposed to Barack Obama's lame attempt to justify his close 20-year association with the raving maniac Jeremiah Wright, a proponent of the depraved doctrine of black liberation theology, who uses his pulpit to whip up racial hatred and denounce America in some of the most extreme language imaginable.

Unsurprisingly, BHO read from his TelePrompTer a carefully crafted collection of cotton candy platitudes, race card guilt-tripping, and moral equivalency. Here's the part I found most noteworthy:

I can no more disown him [Reverend Wright] than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.


Any white lady who doesn't fear black men on the street must go heavily armed. Even professional race-baiter Jesse Jackson is said to have admitted he felt relieved that people walking behind him on a dark street were white.If we could set aside the politically correct BS for a moment, blacks are much more likely to be violent criminals — in part a consequence of pernicious demagogues like Jeremiah Wright justifying their sociopathic behavior.

Basically BHO is saying: So maybe my mentor very publicly hates this country for being full of white people. But my white grandma's a racist too; she doesn't want to be mugged, and I even heard her utter ethnic stereotypes.

His grandmother — who raised him from age 10 — is still alive. I hope she doesn't mind being sacrificed to Obama's political ambitions.

Anyone still supporting Obama at this point will vote for him no matter what he does, so he may as well stop squirming around and put Reverend Wrong on his ticket as VP.

 

[busybody..]

SIGH

can you imagine a WHITE guy

saying

I cant denounce the KKK any more then I can denounce my

Grammy?????????????