Obama – WTF

[jeninflorida]

So the only positive thing Obama can say or talk about, was in ohio where 24 cops where hired for jobs. Sure it’s great that more cops are on the street but there were f-icking government jobs, jogs that only exist due to money from the sweat of the tax payer.

Sure bush stuck the first knife in the economy but obama stuck the third and forth knife. Forget about universal heath care, the economy is picking up heading south, let’s first get out of this depression and then think about other things.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You have to put Obama, and Bush, and all Presidents in context. Theyre politicians. Politics doesnt qualify you to repair cars or fix water leaks or fry burgers or much of anything. You have no qualifications for any of the agencies you command and control.

The bottomline is, youre a glorified talking head.

If Obama's advisers tell him unicorns shit dollar bills, Obama doesnt know if they do or dont. He's never had a real job. He has a reality based on his limited experiences.

 

[jeninflorida]

but there is a time to push other ideas, the focus 100% should be on the economy. forget everything else. I bitch about GM but what will happen when we don't have a GM?

my fear, the recession will hit a depression. i know that I have a job for 14 more months...but others will not be so lucky.

You have to put Obama, and Bush, and all Presidents in context. Theyre politicians. Politics doesnt qualify you to repair cars or fix water leaks or fry burgers or much of anything. You have no qualifications for any of the agencies you command and control.

The bottomline is, youre a glorified talking head.

If Obama's advisers tell him unicorns shit dollar bills, Obama doesnt know if they do or dont. He's never had a real job. He has a reality based on his limited experiences.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If we dont have a GM we'll have some other car company or two or three. I mean, GM was once 5-6 other car companies.

Its the nature of American corporations to become fat and lazy and filled with empty suits. They go away and someone else comes along.

 

[midwestyankee]

Let me get this straight: you're complaining because President Obama included a few million in the stimulus package for law enforcement personnel because they're "government jobs."

Are you fucking kidding me? Did your second brain cell go out for a drink and forget to come home or something?

Are policemen not necessary in our world? Are policemen not people? Do policemen not have families to support? Do policemen never spend any of their earnings in the economy?

I swear to gawd, this is the most ludicrous complaint I have heard yet about the president's efforts to fix our economy. But then, I figure you'd complain about him even if everything he did was straight out of a personal memo that you sent him.

 

[sr71plt]

Let me get this straight: you're complaining because President Obama included a few million in the stimulus package for law enforcement personnel because they're "government jobs."

Are you fucking kidding me? Did your second brain cell go out for a drink and forget to come home or something?

Are policemen not necessary in our world? Are policemen not people? Do policemen not have families to support? Do policemen never spend any of their earnings in the economy?

I swear to gawd, this is the most ludicrous complaint I have heard yet about the president's efforts to fix our economy. But then, I figure you'd complain about him even if everything he did was straight out of a personal memo that you sent him.

Now, now, Florida Jen has proven that she's way below understanding any of this. Give her a break (well . . . several).

 

[midwestyankee]

Now, now, Florida Jen has proven that she's way below understanding any of this. Give her a break (well . . . several).

Fair enough. Let me rephrase:

Policemen and policewomen are people - American people.

American people who earn a living spend money to eat, sleep, and clothe themselves.

When they spend money, someone else makes money.

Then that person can spend more money.

And then more people make money.

That's called an economy.

Ours is broken so we need more people to make more money so they can all spend it.

Because a lot of people are out of work, more people than usual are going to get the idea of "earning" their money by hurting other people or by stealing other people's money.

Police people help keep this kind of bad stuff to a minimum.

We pay police people because not very many people like to risk their lives for free.

Police people buy food, clothing, entertainment, and shelter.

They buy it all from other American people.

Buying food, clothing, entertainment, and shelter helps our economy.


One last thought: the next time it occurs to you that an American policeman doesn't have a real job because it's paid for by tax revenue, you just walk up to that policeman and say, in your toughest right-wing tone: "You are a leech and a weasel. You are a lazy good-for-nothing drain on our economy. Why don't you go out and get a real fucking job, loser!"

Enjoy!

 

[jeninflorida]

really?

If only we could get people like you not to breed, as the human race advances intelligence becomes fleeting

That is why we need more of Darwinism!

The cops are not the issue, the issue is what was spent on this foolish stimulus. So far the only good news is hiring of a few cops in OHIO. Now, take a deep breath, cuz you need more air. Government workers do not add value to the bottom line! They live due to the fact of the tax payer. So, what was spent on the stimulus? And we have a few cops that will require more from the tax payer?

now, yes cops are needed. but that is not the point. adding more people to the government payroll will not end this recession.


Before someone says it, bush was too mentally challenged to realize anything about the economy, and so far Obama is not paying enough attention to it.

Let me get this straight: you're complaining because President Obama included a few million in the stimulus package for law enforcement personnel because they're "government jobs."

Are you fucking kidding me? Did your second brain cell go out for a drink and forget to come home or something?

Are policemen not necessary in our world? Are policemen not people? Do policemen not have families to support? Do policemen never spend any of their earnings in the economy?

I swear to gawd, this is the most ludicrous complaint I have heard yet about the president's efforts to fix our economy. But then, I figure you'd complain about him even if everything he did was straight out of a personal memo that you sent him.

 

[jeninflorida]

why is it that you goverment workers want more goverment workers?

Now, now, Florida Jen has proven that she's way below understanding any of this. Give her a break (well . . . several).

 

[midwestyankee]

why is it that you goverment workers want more goverment workers?

Excuse me? Who are you saying is a government worker? I own my own consulting business and have only worked for a government once in my life: as a kid working my way through college by working on the local snowplow crew. Of course, that's a form of "government assistance" that you probably also think is unnecessary, right? Snow plowing is so unnecessary, after all.

And are you daft? Do you really believe that there ought not to be any police force or any military? Do you really believe that there ought to be no "government workers" at all?

 

[jeninflorida]

At this point I’m not even sure you could qualify for a government job.

Excuse me? Who are you saying is a government worker? I own my own consulting business and have only worked for a government once in my life: as a kid working my way through college by working on the local snowplow crew. Of course, that's a form of "government assistance" that you probably also think is unnecessary, right? Snow plowing is so unnecessary, after all.

And are you daft? Do you really believe that there ought not to be any police force or any military? Do you really believe that there ought to be no "government workers" at all?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Ohio cop jobs are good for one year, then no more money.

 

[jeninflorida]

But then we can raise taxes on the unemployed

The Ohio cop jobs are good for one year, then no more money.

 

[Liar]

The cops are not the issue, the issue is what was spent on this foolish stimulus. So far the only good news is hiring of a few cops in OHIO.

So let me get this straight. Just because Obama chose to go to this place in Ohio where the stimulus put cops in jobs, and that quite naturally gets the most attention in the media, it's "the only good news"?

Hockay.

 

[jeninflorida]

What was the total package for this stimulus??? And the only good news out of this massive spending has been the hiring of 24 cops?

So let me get this straight. Just because Obama chose to go to this place in Ohio where the stimulus put cops in jobs, and that quite naturally gets the most attention in the media, it's "the only good news"?

Hockay.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JEN

My point is, it buys Obama a little time.

You know, he could replace every crap police car in America with a few billion dollars. It would save FORD and GM, keep autoworkers busy, and give lotsa work to many auto suppliers. And taxpayyers would have something to show for it.

He could replace many old coal burning power plants with trash burning plants.

He could build de-sal plants to make potable water.

He could build some cities of tomorrow, designed to all the new technologies.

He could build a 100 Navy ships.

He could do a gozillion things with the money to create jobs. And we get a platoon of rookie cops.

 

[amicus]

Jen makes an excellent point, one many should take advantage of, that of a specific reference, in this event, a 'showcase' specially set up as a photo op for the new President as an example of the success of his misguided spending of tax dollars on more government and Union jobs that will last only a short time and produce nothing of intrinsic value.

If anyone in that entire administration knew even a little about what makes an economy work, they would bend over backwards to help the small business community, those folks that create 80 percent of all the jobs in the country.

They would remove the controls, restrictions and regulations and high taxes imposed on the energy industry and that would instantly creates hundreds of thousands of jobs in building nuclear plants, hydro electric dams, natural gas energy plants, the entire spectrum of energy production that only private industry, the energy industry can do.

Instead of feeding more money to the bloated teachers Unions who administer a system that has a fifty percent drop out rate, give parents the option of charter schools, private schools where teachers are paid far less than their Union brothers and turn out a quality education for the students and get this, it is by the choice of the parent and student where they go and what they learn. Imagine that, free choice about your child's education. Unthinkable!

State departments of transportation DOT, hire high priced Union labor that takes twice as long to complete a road project and costs twice as much, but the new administration owes a big debt to labor Unions for voting him into office after they spent millions to support his campaign. Payback = Pork not a real difficult algebra to understand.

So, Jen, you go girl! Thank you!

Amicus...

 

[sr71plt]

What was the total package for this stimulus??? And the only good news out of this massive spending has been the hiring of 24 cops?

Well, when you start with a silly premise like that.

 

[sr71plt]

Jen makes an excellent point, one many should take advantage of, that of a specific reference, in this event, a 'showcase' specially set up as a photo op for the new President .

Let's see, zeroing in on what it does for those actually present during a whistle-stop photo op is a bad thing? One doesn't need to wonder why you missed so badly in your election prognostications, Amicus.

 

[Katyusha]

FYI, government employees pay taxes too. They pay all the same taxes that everyone else pays. Those taxes are taken out of their paychecks just like they're taken out of everyone else's paychecks. They have to file returns with the IRS just like the rest of us, and the deductions and credits they get are the same deductions and credits that the rest of us qualify for depending on our income. It's not like they get special treatment in the form of extra deductions and credits, or some kind of exemption or waiver from taxes because they're employed by the government. So if they're paid by the sweat of the taxpayers, then they're paid by their own sweat as well.

Also, many government agencies are the only entities around that can offer any semblance of job security right now. A person with a secure job is someone who's going to spend money; someone who isn't sure that their job is going to be around next month or in six months or next year is likely to squirrel every dollar they can away into savings as a just-in-case measure. There have already been several articles written that talk about the sharp increase in the number of people putting money away in savings accounts, which is always good for individuals, but bad for an economy in trouble.

And Midwestyankee makes a very good point about jobs and the need for them in order to stimulate the economy. We're stuck in a vicious cycle right now; people get laid off so they have to make cutbacks in their spending, oftentimes huge cutbacks. That eats into the revenue that businesses generate and hurts their bottom line, so they lay off more workers. Now there are that many more people who have to cut their spending any way they can. And revenue and net profits fall even more, which means they continue to lay people off...

Also, people without jobs don't pay income or payroll taxes. The companies whose revenues have fallen off sharply pay less in taxes. The companies who go out of business no longer pay taxes. That means far weaker receipts for the federal and state governments, which means either less money for ALL programs, departments and agencies across the board, or bigger deficits. Or both.

So how DO we create jobs? Someone has to create jobs somewhere. The corporations can't do it; they're the ones laying people off because they don't have enough money to keep them all on board. Small businesses are hurting and closing t left and right; they can't create jobs. That leaves...who?

I agree that 24 cops in Ohio is paltry compared to the scope of what's needed. But it's a start. It's something. And something is better than absolutely nothing.

 

[Liar]

What was the total package for this stimulus??? And the only good news out of this massive spending has been the hiring of 24 cops?

No, it hasn't been the only good news. If you think that, you have the attention span of a gnat.

It's merely where Obama went yesterday for a photo-op. So it got the most airtime on TV. Because even conservatives like cops. And he thought it was a good stimulus project to point at as an example of some of many jobs being created.

Is the stimulus overal good or bad? I have no idea. Give it a year and we'll know a bit nore.

But to say, like you do, that those 24 cops is the ONLY good effect of the bill so far, just because it's the only thing that was reported on when you happened to turn on the TV, reeks of blatant idiocy.

 

[amicus]

Katyusha...all you said is true, government workers do pay taxes and are consumers.

What I think you do not acknowledge, is that government workers create nothing. They manage and spend the taxes from working people.

If you can visualize a government worker as a man or a woman digging a hole in the ground with a shovel and then filling in the hole, time and time and time again, then perhaps you will realize that hiring more of these folk does nothing for the rest of us.

There are only so many 'hole diggers' that working people can support or tolerate and I think we have reached the maximum, so hiring more is just going to make things worse.

Amicus...

 

[sr71plt]

What I think you do not acknowledge, is that government workers create nothing. They manage and spend the taxes from working people.

What a crock of shit. Your ignorance is astonishing.

 

[Liar]

What I think you do not acknowledge, is that government workers create nothing. They manage and spend the taxes from working people.

To add to that sr71plt said:

There is no difference between a government worker and a private entierprise worker. Both create and provide goods and services. The only difference is how those goods and services are financed. One by direct payment from individuals, the other by a central fund, in turn financed by taxation of the same individuals.

We can debate whether tax financing of goods and services are good, evil or a nessecary inconvenience. If there's too much or too little of it. I'm happy to have that discussion.

Every other "difference" between government work and private work is your ideology fly being open and your prejudices dangling about. Zip up, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[amicus]

The depths you plumb, even as a writer, to display your displeasure with an opposing opinion, says a lot about you.

I repeat. Government produces nothing. Not one single good or service to benefit the people.

There are legitimate Constitutional areas of involvement in the private lives of individuals and there are but three. Military, Police Courts.

Even there it is only the government spending tax money to pay for 'individuals' to provide these services.

It is not a 'fine' point of contention, but a broad one: you want more government, I want less. Somehow, you claim that your position is the superior one and I challenge that.

When individuals pool their efforts, by choice and choose the goal of their endeavor then the world sits on an even keel and they may succeed or fail on their own merits.

When government is tasked with a similar work objective, you simply add an additional, unnecessary layer of cost and management to the process and the people in general are always on the losing end, supporting those beaurocrats, that once installed, never leave.

So be as juvenile as you wish but at least be honest. You want a greater degree of slavery, I want a greater degree of freedom.

Simple as that.

Amicus...