NYC... America Changed???

TigerClaw

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Today is February 6th, almost 5 Months since the attack on America. It is still weird to view the NYC skyline from West Orange, NJ. I am so used to seeing the twin towers standing in the middle of that great big city. When we moved from LI to NJ it was reassuring to look out over NJ to NYC.

We moved from a town on the south shore of LI. At the time Jones beach was a very big part of my life. I met many people their from all over NY. Many from Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island. It was interesting meeting people from all over the state and especially the bad city people. After all my view of NYC was the bowery boys movies and all the gangster movies back then. Edgar G ?? Robinson ??, Humphrey Bogart, etc. As I got older I realized NYC was not so bad. Yes, you had to have your wits about you. You just could not stroll down the street as if you were in a small country town. But it was not the big bad city.

LI at the time had many different activities. The Rte 110 Drive Inn, (Remember that one!) Walt Whitman Mall with the plants and wildlife all about inside, Creations comics store before they became the nasty outfit they are now, Burger n shake, small stores that you could find almost anything you ever dreamed of wanting, special clubs and events held by most every school, church and library.

We moved to NJ. The country. Where the sidewalks were rolled up at 5 PM and you never saw a sole except at the mall. Oh, so you are from Loooong IIIIIsliiiiiiiind. Were the insults you would get when you were friendly to people. Yes, and you are born and raised in New JeRRRRRRseeeee, I finally began replying. Funny how once you gave it back they were friendly. But that is anywhere you go I have learned. Now when I go out of state I get your are from New Jerrrrrsey, from the North. No, I am from New Youk, I say now. NJ was not as friendly as NY. In NY you could start talking to people in the street.

Funny how we are all American and we insult each other’s states. Yes, not all states are created equal. We are all different.

NJ was so boring back then. I would look out to NYC to make sure everything was ok. Seeing the striped lighting from the different floors being lit up was reassuring that all was well. I would imagine the hustle and bustle that was going on in NYC, wondered why it held the allure for runaways and imagined people’s lives. You looked out over NJ to NYC and you saw life just from the city being lit up. Meanwhile no one was around after 5 PM in NJ.

Over the years I had reason to travel into Manhattan several times. The big bad city had some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet. The only people I have ever met that are nicer are country folk in Texas half way between Houston and San Antonio, Upstate NY by Middletown, NY, and now SC. I have traveled on roads in NJ over looking the city. I have learned of the shared history of the 2 states regarding George Washington, Ft Lee and Ft Washington. You take for granted what you see every day.

Now NJ is not the same country state it was. People are friendlier. Jersey is getting built up. I have not had the need to go and look over to NYC in the last couple of years.

One day at work everything became salient. Then moans and Oh My God a plane hit the building could be heard, and then everything went silent again. Low whispers became quiet talking. My boss came over and said One of the Twin Towers was hit by a plane. All work stopped and people clustered around cubes of the people who had radios. The internet and cell phones that everyone now raves about as staying open were dead. No, cell phone made it out. No one could get a page to come up on the internet. The land phones could make it out if your party was not on the phone themselves.

No one suspected the towers would come down. After all this had happened to the empire state building earlier in the century. But the Empire State building is made of heavy stone and did not have jetA as the fuel source on the plane. Later we all learned of the consequences of the different building structures.

Now, when I look over NYC I don’t see NYC. I don’t see home. I see a changed America. I see an America with its hands tied. We cannot travel with out seeming like we live in WWII Gastopo ?? Germany. I fly only when needed. We changed the country that harbored the attackers but many of them got away. Surrounding countries are harboring them and others that would do us harm. Had we done something in the late 60's and 70's when this was a big problem for the European countries we would not have this problem today. People were picnicing in Liberty State Park and celebrating in nearby towns here in the USA. Never did hear if they were deported for it.

What do we do now? Traveling is a nightmare. I had the most common items pulled from my carry on luggage as weapons. I don’t care about myself but I don’t want my woman to be man handled at the x-ray as people have reported in the newspapers. I passed the initial x-ray just to be pulled to the side. I always passed these things in the past with flying colors. This time my rivets on my jeans, shoe eyelets, glasses, belt buckle, belt ornaments set the personal detector off like a Christmas tree.

We need safety. We need to make travel safe so that our own commercial industries, no matter what they are, cannot be used against us. I understand we have to protect each other and ourselves but we also have to protect our freedom.

I look out over NYC and wonder what the future will hold. Have we lost our freedoms or are they on hold for the moment?
 
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WOW, Tiger

Being one of the great people:)D) who live smack in the middle of NYC, I will report to you that life is NOT at all the same for me and for so many others on Manhattan island.

Friends from Brooklyn (where I was raised) were recently visiting me after 6 months and couldn't get over the difference in the sounds and sights of the theatre district.

I have been unemployed for a year now, and I'm still finding it difficult to get a job (not sure if this is ALL a result of the attack, but nobody seems to want to hire a 49 year old these days, especially a person who worked 30 years in the same place). Another good friend had to give up her apartment in Brooklyn because she was "released" after 15 years, and she is also 49; she's moved with her family in upstate New York.

Quite honestly, I find myself still avoiding the downtown skyline. My previous job was in the area, and I spent many nights in the WTC enjoying the view and entertainment. I find myself unable to readily apply to a business that is located downtown. Another friend of mine, who was caught in one of the debris "balls" after the first tower went down, is still struggling with nightmares and tears.

Most of my friends and neighbors are involved in the restaurant and theatre businesses. Athough some shows are still (barely) running, and more new ones are expected to fill up the theatres this new season in a month or two, many of my buddies are also unemployed, seeking work elsewhere. Restaurant hours are changed, some have already given up and closed. Tourists have slowly started coming back, but it's just not at the same pace anymore.

On 8th Avenue and 44th Street a statue honoring the fallen firefighters has taken residence. Our neighborhood firehouse on 48th Street and 8th is still "waiting" for half their force to return (15 never did).

The power of survival is stronger than I personally feel, and I have been hugged and comforted in the streets by strangers who just needed to share the horrors those September/October weeks.

However, life does go on, but I take nothing at all for granted. I love NYC more than ever for it's courage and determination; it will always be my home.

Oman needs to add at least 2 extra hours to his travel time to accomodate the security regulations (geezzz... I hope they "let" him in!!):D I'm hoping not only to solidify our personal relationship, but to show this midwestern man how wonderful a City this is.

Nothing will ever be the same. But change can be good, and I hope with time the spirit of all the heros among us shine through for all of us.:rose:
 
wtc

I would just like to say that the U.K are behind the U.S all the way and that i give my deepest sympathies to all who lost love ones in the dissarster ( I know my spelling sucks!) Good luck america.
 
Not the same

My family is not the same as well but are coping. It has tore my brothers apart that one could go and help others and almost die as he was pulled out from under 20 feet of ruble while the other said the other is a coward. As I drove in in Sept tp work Ground Zero and look for my brither, it was different as far as the skyline goes. My children never seen the Towers. All they have seen is the mess. All they have is pictures and I was unable to show them the place that their dad hung out as a teen.
Jenny, my cousin is one of those missing from that fire station/
 
I spent a few years of my young life on long island in a tiny hamlet called blue point. It was an island in a sea of crowds and traffic and I have very good memories of living there. My mom was born and raised in the bronx and her friends and family would come to visit us often. I always saw them as special just because they lived in New York city. I spent many days wondering manhatten as a teen and in my twenties. I love NYC. I have not been to the city since sept 11. I almost dread the experience. One of my fondest memories of the city was my first trip to the trade center. Some friends and I went to the observation floor at night and it was wonderful. New York at night is beautiful and breathtaking.

I think our world changed dramatically on the 11th of september. The possible but unthinkable became reality. There is little to take comfort in at this point. Every society in the world is vulnerable to terrorists. Anthrax in a subway, nuclear waste exploded with conventional explosives in a populated area, smallbox being spread all have become thinkable. Before the WTC atrocity they were the stuff of Tom Clancy novels. That can no longer be said.

I do know this much. I have several things that I must do no matter the state of my world. I have to be a good mother, I have to fight for my own happiness, I have to limit my hatred, and increase my love, and I have to pay attention to the world as it is. I pray everyday that people find peace.
 
Re: Not the same

Vinny said:
My family is not the same as well but are coping. It has tore my brothers apart that one could go and help others and almost die as he was pulled out from under 20 feet of ruble while the other said the other is a coward. As I drove in in Sept tp work Ground Zero and look for my brither, it was different as far as the skyline goes. My children never seen the Towers. All they have seen is the mess. All they have is pictures and I was unable to show them the place that their dad hung out as a teen.
Jenny, my cousin is one of those missing from that fire station/

Vinny... so sorry to hear that. Please know that the entire theatre district (including all the local residents) are so thankful to those firefighters who patrol our area. My condolences to you and your family.:rose:

What a shame your children will not know the pleasures and excitement that the WTC brought to so many of us. They were a beacon almost anywhere in the City, and were truly a world-wide symbol of achievement. How hard it must be for you to explain to young children something as horrific as this!
 
alltherage said:
I spent a few years of my young life on long island in a tiny hamlet called blue point. It was an island in a sea of crowds and traffic and I have very good memories of living there. My mom was born and raised in the bronx and her friends and family would come to visit us often. I always saw them as special just because they lived in New York city. I spent many days wondering manhatten as a teen and in my twenties. I love NYC. I have not been to the city since sept 11. I almost dread the experience. One of my fondest memories of the city was my first trip to the trade center. Some friends and I went to the observation floor at night and it was wonderful. New York at night is beautiful and breathtaking.
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Alltheage:

Many many years ago I spent two weeks of every summer with my grandparents in Blue Point! What a lovely place; fed ducks every day, and went fishing and bike riding. The world seemed much easier to deal with way back then!

We lived near the volunteer fire department, and I remember watching out the window in the middle of the night seeing such dedicated people rush up to man the trucks!

What memories!!:rose:
 
Vinny.....

I am sorry to here of your loss. So many people from all over were lost. They suspected the that the towers were going to fall, yet then went in and set up at the base of the towers. So, many people who could have been alive today are not becuase they felt the value of human life. Those few who did this had no value for human life.


I think this makes one very good point. Many more people were here and abroad helping and caring then those who planned and supported the attack.

I dont know any one personally who was lost. But I do have friends who lost people they new.
 
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