Now that the US Government is forcing all Moslem immigrants to register...

[p_p_man]

and next month it's going to be the turn of the Pakistanis and Saudis, how long will take to get down to everyone who doesn't show full support for George?

ppman

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Well, its just another case of teh government making a show of doing something, feeding on racist fears, to give the impression that America is safer now. Of course, we are at a greater risk than we were two years ago, but the government puts on a better show, and that's all that matters.

 

[Problem Child]

Well, its just another case of teh government making a show of doing something, feeding on racist fears, to give the impression that America is safer now. Of course, we are at a greater risk than we were two years ago, but the government puts on a better show, and that's all that matters.

How exactly are we at greater risk than two years ago?

 

[busybody..]

So whats the problem with that?

Muslims are treated BETTER in the US then in their own countries.

And besides.....

If they dont like it.....They can LEAVE.....

As have so many already!

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Most of the terrorist leaders, including bin Laden, are still at large, Afghanistan is still lawless and actually worse off than they were under the Taliban. Our military's indiscriminant murder of Afghani civilians, our continued support of Israeli terrorist actions, and our (mostly)unfounded hostility towards Iraq have led to a situation that makes America's position more precarious, not less. Many Arabs who were on the fence before are now firmly in teh enemy camp, due to the bumbling administrations dreams of empire.

 

[busybody..]

Johnny

You must have slipped in the bath tub and hit your head real hard!

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Oh yeah...I must have hurt myself, because somehow my mind can't wrap itself around seeing the world like it is WWE Smackdown...BTW, what unit did you serve with, Busybody, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Problem Child]

Most of the terrorist leaders, including bin Laden, are still at large, Afghanistan is still lawless and actually worse off than they were under the Taliban. Our military's indiscriminant murder of Afghani civilians, our continued support of Israeli terrorist actions, and our (mostly)unfounded hostility towards Iraq have led to a situation that makes America's position more precarious, not less. Many Arabs who were on the fence before are now firmly in teh enemy camp, due to the bumbling administrations dreams of empire.

How do you know bin Laden is alive? "Because there is no body" is not an answer.

Why do you think the Afghanistan is worse off now? Do you consider torture, public exectutions and the severe persecution of woman to be a better condition than the relative freedom they are enjoying now?

Do you think that not allowing women to work, hold government positions, being denied medical care and education, and even being prohibited from showing their faces in public is preferable to the situation today where all those things are no longer prohibited?

Why is the tribal bickering and violence of today worse than the tribal bickering and violence of before?

Do you consider the election of the current president a more oppresive state than the religious dictatorship of the Taliban?

Do you really believe our military is just indiscriminantly killing civilians? why would they do this? For fun? Live target practice?

As for the hostility of Arab states toward the U.S., how often do you think they get a true undistorted picture of the west through their media. Do you think that the fact that most arabs don't even believe that the WTC attacks were carried out by arabs is an indicator that they are being constantly lied to by their governments, or are they just plain stupid?

I won't even get into the Israel thing. Not enough time in the day.

 

[busybody..]

PC, i wish I were as NORMAL as you

How do you know bin Laden is alive? "Because there is no body" is not an answer.

Why do you think the Afghanistan is worse off now? Do you consider torture, public exectutions and the severe persecution of woman to be a better condition than the relative freedom they are enjoying now?

Do you think that not allowing women to work, hold government positions, being denied medical care and education, and even being prohibited from showing their faces in public is preferable to the situation today where all those things are no longer prohibited?

Why is the tribal bickering and violence of today worse than the tribal bickering and violence of before?

Do you consider the election of the current president a more oppresive state than the religious dictatorship of the Taliban?

Do you really believe our military is just indiscriminantly killing civilians? why would they do this? For fun? Live target practice?

As for the hostility of Arab states toward the U.S., how often do you think they get a true undistorted picture of the west through their media. Do you think that the fact that most arabs don't even believe that the WTC attacks were carried out by arabs is an indicator that they are being constantly lied to by their governments, or are they just plain stupid?

I won't even get into the Israel thing. Not enough time in the day.

and come up with such a cogent response.....

Instead I get so annoyed by IDIOTARIANS that i just let loose with a volley of idiocy.....















































Why will I NOT be surprised you will agree with the last sentence?

 

[Problem Child]

Busybody, I picked a booger with more brainpower than you this morning.

I wasn't talking to you, so Fuck off.

Die.

 

[busybody..]

BTW, The real and only reason the US went into Ganistan

was to destro and severly disrupt the Binny guys.....they other stuff about freedom and womens rights were BS......and needed to be said for the PC crowd.

Does anyone REALLY care what happens to those useless people?

If the Binny guys return, we will BOMB em again.

Funny how the world and LIBS were silent when the Talibs killed HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS and go into a coniption when we kill several hundred or thousand!

 

[Problem Child]

BTW, ppman, perhaps you could give me a link to the regs forcing muslims to undergo a more rigorous immigration process than everyone else.

I look for something on it briefly and didn't find anything.

Thanks.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

How do you know bin Laden is alive? "Because there is no body" is not an answer.

Why do you think the Afghanistan is worse off now? Do you consider torture, public exectutions and the severe persecution of woman to be a better condition than the relative freedom they are enjoying now?

Do you think that not allowing women to work, hold government positions, being denied medical care and education, and even being prohibited from showing their faces in public is preferable to the situation today where all those things are no longer prohibited?

All of those things still exist, the warlords run the country now...or didn't you know?

Why is the tribal bickering and violence of today worse than the tribal bickering and violence of before?

Do you consider the election of the current president a more oppresive state than the religious dictatorship of the Taliban?

You mean that figurehead 'president' that barely controls one city, while the warlords divvy up the rest?

Do you really believe our military is just indiscriminantly killing civilians? why would they do this? For fun? Live target practice?

There was lots of friendly fire, including potshots taken at the Afghan 'president' and his convoy, Canadian military, and peaceful civilian gatherings(including a wedding reception...nice to get married and bury half your family in the same week)

As for the hostility of Arab states toward the U.S., how often do you think they get a true undistorted picture of the west through their media. Do you think that the fact that most arabs don't even believe that the WTC attacks were carried out by arabs is an indicator that they are being constantly lied to by their governments, or are they just plain stupid?

How much real information do you thing YOU get? Seriously?

I won't even get into the Israel thing. Not enough time in the day.

Good, because you would probably be wrong on that too.

 

[busybody..]

Maybe berry

You miss the point.

We dont, nor should we give a shit about that hell hole Ganistan.

As long as the Binny guys dont have it as a base, that good enuf.

FUCK ganistan and all its "people", all sub human anyway.

 

[Worm]

Who cares. Its not like its going to be used against them unless there is evidence they are involved in terrorism. Big whoop dee doo there is a list of immigrants with their names nationalities and where they live. Every tax paying American has there name and nationality and where they live on a government list somewhere...ask the IRS.

 

[Lost Cause]

Fantasy vs Reality..

Fantasy is believing the US is overreacting to a direct threat during wartime, or were Germans (or any of the axis races) allowed to walk around undocumented in the US, or UK from 1940-1945?

Reality is going to the sources;

www.ins.usdoj.gov
www.usdoj.gov
www.whitehouse.gov

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

PC....

I apologise for any part of my last post that comes off as rude...just because I disagree with you is no reason to attack you personally. You obviously aren't coming from the 'kill all darkies' angle...

 

[p_p_man]

BTW, ppman, perhaps you could give me a link to the regs forcing muslims to undergo a more rigorous immigration process than everyone else.

I look for something on it briefly and didn't find anything.

Thanks.

It's been a news report on today's UK TV. I've just checked the newspapers and can't find anything in them yet. Maybe it will be an item tomorrow.

It's not a more rigorous immigration policy that was news but the registration of all Muslim immigrants already in the US.

And next month the net will be widened to include Pakistanis and Saudis...

ppman

 

[busybody..]

And the problem with that

It's been a news report on today's UK TV. I've just checked the newspapers and can't find anything in them yet. Maybe it will be an item tomorrow.

It's not a more rigorous immigration policy that was news but the registration of all Muslim immigrants already in the US.

And next month the net will be widened to include Pakistanis and Saudis...

ppman

is WHAT eXXXactly?

 

[p_p_man]

Who cares. Its not like its going to be used against them unless there is evidence they are involved in terrorism. Big whoop dee doo there is a list of immigrants with their names nationalities and where they live. Every tax paying American has there name and nationality and where they live on a government list somewhere...ask the IRS.

The report said Moslem immigrants.

I presume they pay taxes as well...

So they're already on 'a government list somewhere'.

You sound as though you're falling into the trap of thinking that all Moslem immigrants are illegal. You must watch that, but I suppose that's what the constant drip of Government propaganda does for you...

Destroys the gift of independent thought...

ppman

 

[Problem Child]

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How do you know bin Laden is alive? "Because there is no body" is not an answer.

Ok...no answer here.

(Jesus, you need to learn how to format your responses.)

Why do you think the Afghanistan is worse off now? Do you consider torture, public exectutions and the severe persecution of woman to be a better condition than the relative freedom they are enjoying now?

Do you think that not allowing women to work, hold government positions, being denied medical care and education, and even being prohibited from showing their faces in public is preferable to the situation today where all those things are no longer prohibited?
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All of those things still exist, the warlords run the country now...or didn't you know?
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No, all those things do not still exist. In fact woman can work, they can go to school, they can show their faces, there may still be executions, but not on the mass scale of the Taliban. Prople can watch television and listen to the radio. They have access to newspapers that are not all government controlled.

Yes, I know warlords run the country outside the major cities. I never said they are didn't. You don't throw out a brutal dictatorship and replace it with a democracy overnight.

It's not paradise, but it's not the completely brutal place it used to be. Again, most of the progress is in the cities. Can it be maintained? I'm not sure if it can or not. It's up to them, with outside help, which admittedly is slow in coming.



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Why is the tribal bickering and violence of today worse than the tribal bickering and violence of before?

Do you consider the election of the current president a more oppresive state than the religious dictatorship of the Taliban?

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You mean that figurehead 'president' that barely controls one city, while the warlords divvy up the rest?

Again, I never said the warlords were gone. But, if you think the Taliban was preferable that's fine. You have a right to your opinion.


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Do you really believe our military is just indiscriminantly killing civilians? why would they do this? For fun? Live target practice?

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There was lots of friendly fire, including potshots taken at the Afghan 'president' and his convoy, Canadian military, and peaceful civilian gatherings(including a wedding reception...nice to get married and bury half your family in the same week)

You said the military is indiscriminantly killing civilians. I'd like to see proof of that. Of course collateral damage occured, but that was during the actual warfighting which is largely over. You make it sound like truckloads of soldiers are driving through the streets killing anyone who moves.

Your line above is not really funny and shows how unrealistic your attitude is toward the real problems of trying to establish a peaceful government in Afghanistan under very tough circumstances.


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As for the hostility of Arab states toward the U.S., how often do you think they get a true undistorted picture of the west through their media. Do you think that the fact that most arabs don't even believe that the WTC attacks were carried out by arabs is an indicator that they are being constantly lied to by their governments, or are they just plain stupid?

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How much real information do you thing YOU get? Seriously?

Lol...you're joking right? Compared to the mid-east?..lol..


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I won't even get into the Israel thing. Not enough time in the day.
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Good, because you would probably be wrong on that too.

Sure thing.

Bottom line is it's a mixed bag. A lot of good is happening, along with some bad. Heroin production is way up for example. It's extremely unrealistic for one to expect a country as fucked up as Afghanistan has been for a long time to become paradise overnight, but you have to recognize that there is progress, mainly in the area of personal freedoms. You seem to want to ignore that, which is unfortunate.

Here is a Guardian link with many stories. Like I said they show both the good and the bad going on over there.

http://www.observer.co.uk/afghanistan/0,1501,573451,00.html

 

[p_p_man]

Re: And the problem with that

is WHAT eXXXactly?

Man are you losing it!!

ppman

 

[busybody..]

I am surprised

I'm surprised to see no comments today on the guilty plea in the Lackawanna NY case. I think the signficance of this plea is huge, if only because it so starkly distinguishes our situation today from that faced in 1941 after Pearl Harbor. The law reviews are filling up with pieces comparing the Bush administration's policies touching on race and ethnicity with the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. (David Cole's, Kevin Johnson's, and Frank Wu's recent pieces come most quickly to mind, but I've seen others.) But the condemnation of the internment always focuses, at least in part, on the irrationality of attributing pro-Japanese sentiment (and subversive action) to American citizens of Japanese ancestry. And we often hear that there was not a single documented incident of pro-Axis subversive activity by an American citizen of Japanese ancestry during the war. (As it happens, this is not quite true, but it's very close to true.)

With this guilty plea (and the alleged conduct of Hamdi and Padilla, I suppose), what was true in 1942 is now false: now we *do* have a documented instance of support for Osama bin Laden by *American citizens*, born in this country and of Arab ancestry. The citizen/alien line--so crucial to the wrongfulness of the Japanese American internment--has now been breached.

Naturally, this is not an argument for the internment of Arab Americans, or, for that matter, for *any* sort of programmatic action against anyone. But I think it ought to undermine the too-easy analogy to the internment that many scholars have been slinging at the administration for the last year or so.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Busybody, I picked a booger with more brainpower than you this morning.

I wasn't talking to you, so Fuck off. Die.

An astute obsevation, PC . . .

 

[busybody..]

Re: Re: And the problem with that

Man are you losing it!!

ppman

Maybe, but you still didnt say what eXXXactly is wrong with having Muslims from countries that have produced or harbored TERRORISTS register their whereabouts!