Not a *damned* thing to do w/ BDSM, but...

[Sir_Winston54]

This pisses me off.

Politically correct Pledge of Allegiance?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Personal beliefs have nothing to do with common courtesy

i liked that the councilman's constituents recalled his sorry @ss.

 

[arctic-stranger]

This pisses me off.

Politically correct Pledge of Allegiance?

I think it is a little stupid, but frankly i have always wondered why we pledge our allegience to a FLAG? and why is our national anthem about a FLAG?

i think it shows the ridiculous tendancy we have to replace content with style.

I would prefer to pledge my allegience to something like democracy, or freedom, or national unity...but the flag...?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

I think it is a little stupid, but frankly i have always wondered why we pledge our allegience to a FLAG? and why is our national anthem about a FLAG?

i think it shows the ridiculous tendancy we have to replace content with style.

I would prefer to pledge my allegience to something like democracy, or freedom, or national unity...but the flag...?

Because some people need a physical symbol to make concepts like democracy, freedom, and national unity real.

 

[arctic-stranger]

Because some people need a physical symbol to make concepts like democracy, freedom, and national unity real.

yes, but then they tend to confuse the symbol with the reality. for example, speaking of the flag, to speak of desecrating the flag assumed that we had somehow consecrated it....why banned the burning of the symbol that allows us to think and act in such ways that we can burn that symbol?

 

[Aeroil]

I'm wondering why you guys even need a pledge of allegiance, we're just fine up here, our traditions are not followed too closely, our school never used to sing the anthem or anything except at special events, still doesn't.
Recently, the only time I think I've sung the anthem is rememberance day.

 

[arctic-stranger]

I'm wondering why you guys even need a pledge of allegiance, we're just fine up here, our traditions are not followed too closely, our school never used to sing the anthem or anything except at special events, still doesn't.
Recently, the only time I think I've sung the anthem is rememberance day.

What else would drunken louts sing at baseball games?

oh, thats right, you dont have much of that either...

 

[Aeroil]

What else would drunken louts sing at baseball games?

oh, thats right, you dont have much of that either...

nope, and I don't think we do it at hockey games or football games either, though you may have to ask ciara that.

 

[Neomagalie]

..........

 

[arctic-stranger]

nope, and I don't think we do it at hockey games or football games either, though you may have to ask ciara that.

You mean soccer, dont you?

 

[Aeroil]

hmm, well maybe it's just in BC then, my primary school tried to have it played every friday morning, but it lasted about a month and then never came back.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

I think it is a little stupid, but frankly i have always wondered why we pledge our allegience to a FLAG? and why is our national anthem about a FLAG?

i think it shows the ridiculous tendancy we have to replace content with style.

I would prefer to pledge my allegience to something like democracy, or freedom, or national unity...but the flag...?

A: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands..."

B: Our minds associate certain things with certain concepts - symbolism. Therefore, a white rose is associated with purity, a flag with a country, etc.

Therefore, pledging allegiance to the flag is pledging allegiance to the concepts with which it is associated - first the republic (we are not a democracy; we are a representative republic), and then the other associated concepts: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Within the flag itself, White signifies purity and innocence, Red signifies valor and bravery, and Blue signifies vigilance, perseverance, and justice. Stars are considered a symbol of the heavens and the divine goal to which man has aspired from time immemorial; the stripe is symbolic of the rays of light emanating from the sun.

Red Skelton did a recording many years ago about how he learned the Pledge and the meaning of the words and phrases within it. You can find the text of it herehttp://www.celebratelove.com/flagcommentary.htm.

 

[Aeroil]

A: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands..."

B: Our minds associate certain things with certain concepts - symbolism. Therefore, a white rose is associated with purity, a flag with a country, etc.

Therefore, pledging allegiance to the flag is pledging allegiance to the concepts with which it is associated - first the republic (we are not a democracy; we are a representative republic), and then the other associated concepts: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Within the flag itself, White signifies purity and innocence, Red signifies valor and bravery, and Blue signifies vigilance, perseverance, and justice. Stars are considered a symbol of the heavens and the divine goal to which man has aspired from time immemorial; the stripe is symbolic of the rays of light emanating from the sun.

Red Skelton did a recording many years ago about how he learned the Pledge and the meaning of the words and phrases within it. You can find the text of it herehttp://www.celebratelove.com/flagcommentary.htm.

Umm, a representative republic is a form of democracy, Winston, it's not direct democracy, which is what the greeks practiced, but we have way too many people to do that. Canada's Constitutional Monarchy is another form of democracy.

 

[arctic-stranger]

A: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands..."

B: Our minds associate certain things with certain concepts - symbolism. Therefore, a white rose is associated with purity, a flag with a country, etc.

you may be overestimating the intelligence of a people who watch Fox news....

Therefore, pledging allegiance to the flag is pledging allegiance to the concepts with which it is associated - first the republic (we are not a democracy; we are a representative republic), and then the other associated concepts: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

A) under God was added later...now i am a God type person, but in spite of that..well no, because of that, i get very squirmy when God talk is enforced in any way. We dont need to make everyone say "under God" and frankly, whenever i hear it, i think to myself, "Not the God i worship..."

Within the flag itself, White signifies purity and innocence, Red signifies valor and bravery, and Blue signifies vigilance, perseverance, and justice. Stars are considered a symbol of the heavens and the divine goal to which man has aspired from time immemorial; the stripe is symbolic of the rays of light emanating from the sun.

i dont have a problem with the flag, or with what it represents, but given the fact that people tend to let their symbols replace the realities behind them (believe me, this is my greatest challenge in the church) i hate that we just reinforce that.

Red Skelton did a recording many years ago about how he learned the Pledge and the meaning of the words and phrases within it. You can find the text of it here

http://www.celebratelove.com/flagcommentary.htm.

thanks, nice link...

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Umm, a representative republic is a form of democracy, Winston, it's not direct democracy, which is what the greeks practiced, but we have way too many people to do that. Canada's Constitutional Monarchy is another form of democracy.

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one, Aeroil. See

this article

for an explanation of the reasons that the USA was never intended to be a democracy of any type. One key sentence at that site is this: "A democracy is the rule by majority feeling (what the Founders described as a "mobocracy"); a republic is rule by law." It was designed as an oligarchy, defined as "a government run by a small (!!) council or a group of elite (!!) individuals."

While one could well argue that our growth has now resulted in government by bureaucracy, since the government is not run by a small council, and there are damned few elite individuals (elite - a: the choice part : CREAM <the elite of the entertainment world> b: the best of a class <superachievers who dominate the computer elite>) involved in our government anymore, the fact remains that the design of government in this country was always intended to be oligarchical, not democratic.

 

[arctic-stranger]

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one, Aeroil. See

this article

for an explanation of the reasons that the USA was never intended to be a democracy of any type. One key sentence at that site is this: "A democracy is the rule by majority feeling (what the Founders described as a "mobocracy"); a republic is rule by law." It was designed as an oligarchy, defined as "a government run by a small (!!) council or a group of elite (!!) individuals."

While one could well argue that our growth has now resulted in government by bureaucracy, since the government is not run by a small council, and there are damned few elite individuals (elite - a: the choice part : CREAM <the elite of the entertainment world> b: the best of a class <superachievers who dominate the computer elite>) involved in our government anymore, the fact remains that the design of government in this country was always intended to be oligarchical, not democratic.

all i can say is...if it is on the internet, it MUST be true....

and if you believe that....

 

[Aeroil]

Well then Winston you'd better phone Canada up and tell them that their social studies classes are teaching the wrong things.

 

[graceanne]

*rolls eyes sarcastically*

I hope they did fire that counselors ass.

 

[TaintedB]

This pisses me off.

Politically correct Pledge of Allegiance?

Sorry for being clueless, but what pissed you off about this? The fact that someone changed the words or the fact that people made such a big stink over such a tiny one-time incident?

 

[Miss Diva]

I heard at one point that each government we get in Canada changes the last couple of sentences of our anthem. No wonder we are so screwed up.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

You mean soccer, dont you?

No, he means football (what many outside the US interchange with soccer as a label).

As for flag burning, you'll have to ask the individuals that do it on a regular basis. i'll assume the individual doing so believes his/her action shows contempt for the country, principles, etc. symbolized by that flag. Then again, some of the same individuals fire automatic rifles straight into the air while in large groups. i'd like to see the statistics on the number of individuals killed/injured by such celebratory antics.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Sorry for being clueless, but what pissed you off about this? The fact that someone changed the words or the fact that people made such a big stink over such a tiny one-time incident?

Actually, TaintedB, both, lol. First, being of the generation I am, of a military family, and firmly bonded to my country despite her occasional errant ways, it pisses me off that an authority figure such as this would try to change the words to be politically correct. Had our Founding Fathers been politically correct, we'd be looking forward to Charles as our next king, and that's not something I would want to anticipate. Of course, that's presuming that either Bismarck, Hitler or Stalin hadn't overrun the entire world, since the USA certainly would not have achieved the stature it did in 1917-18 and 1941-45 and beyond had it remained a British colony in the late 18th century.

Secondly, yes, the fact that this local incident of small importance in the scheme of things became national - and perhaps world-wide - news pisses me off as well. In my ideal world, the stupid bitch would have been taken to the city green, stripped, gotten 30 strokes or so of the cat, been tarred and feathered, and then been ridden out of town on a rail... and no one outside a 20- or 30-mile radius would ever have heard about it. It didn't deserve to become a national cause celebré, other than perhaps (and only perhaps) as a warning to others who might think that doing something like this would be a good thing to do.

Edited to correct the 10-keying error on WWI dates of involvement for US.

 

[Aeroil]

Actually, TaintedB, both, lol. First, being of the generation I am, of a military family, and firmly bonded to my country despite her occasional errant ways, it pisses me off that an authority figure such as this would try to change the words to be politically correct. Had our Founding Fathers been politically correct, we'd be looking forward to Charles as our next king, and that's not something I would want to anticipate. Of course, that's presuming that either Bismarck, Hitler or Stalin hadn't overrun the entire world, since the USA certainly would not have achieved the stature it did in 1914-18 and 1941-45 and beyond had it remained a British colony in the late 18th century.

Secondly, yes, the fact that this local incident of small importance in the scheme of things became national - and perhaps world-wide - news pisses me off as well. In my ideal world, the stupid bitch would have been taken to the city green, stripped, gotten 30 strokes or so of the cat, been tarred and feathered, and then been ridden out of town on a rail... and no one outside a 20- or 30-mile radius would ever have heard about it. It didn't deserve to become a national cause celebré, other than perhaps (and only perhaps) as a warning to others who might think that doing something like this would be a good thing to do.

You think the united states would have collapsed simply if the founding fathers had been politically correct? Had they handled it badly, perhaps the civil unrest would have done some damage, but you're exaggerating quite a bit I think.
And btw the US didn't even enter WWI until pretty much the end of the war, their involvement didn't mean too much, I am thinking your mark in social studies class wouldn't be too great Winston, no offence.

 

[babiesmiles]

Actually, TaintedB, both, lol. First, being of the generation I am, of a military family, and firmly bonded to my country despite her occasional errant ways, it pisses me off that an authority figure such as this would try to change the words to be politically correct. Had our Founding Fathers been politically correct, we'd be looking forward to Charles as our next king, and that's not something I would want to anticipate. Of course, that's presuming that either Bismarck, Hitler or Stalin hadn't overrun the entire world, since the USA certainly would not have achieved the stature it did in 1914-18 and 1941-45 and beyond had it remained a British colony in the late 18th century.

Secondly, yes, the fact that this local incident of small importance in the scheme of things became national ....

That pisses me off too when in my country I see political correctness become political dullness , and mutatis mutandis I think rather the same of you about it .... but I see we have kinda similar family background

 

[AngelicAssassin]

In my ideal world ...

Nah, just point snowy and kat in the twit's general direction. Said twit would have no job within a month, and kat would do something unmentionably nasty to her car before she left.