Non Consent stories

[Jim4got]

Some of these, like Truth or Dare by Sabineteas, have no place here, or anywhere for that matter. This story tells about and glorifies a violent gang rape of one girl by eight guys, after it is arranged by some other girls. There is nothing erotic about violent gang rape, except perhaps to those who fanticize over doing such a thing.

The perpetrators of this act, if it were real, both males and females, should all spend time in the slammer, where they would get a taste of their own medicine.

That's how this story should end.

Jim

 

[Recidiva]

Then don't read non consent.

Is that really that hard to get?

 

[not_with_my_wife]

Thinking on my own

Yeah, what Recidiva said.

 

[Recidiva]

Yeah, what Recidiva said.

*echoing giggles*

 

[LadyAria]

A third on what Recidiva said.

I'm a woman. I read non-consent. Some of them are hot. If I don't like it. I hit page back and find another one I do.

 

[Oblimo]

...except perhaps to those who fanticize over doing such a thing.

And that's the point.

IMO, sexual fantasy on any subject, in and of itself, is harmless. It's the confusion of fantasy with reality that's dangerous. It's true, however, that such confusion can be all too easy, and that confusion can be a valid reason for a community to have standards limiting expression, but there is a big difference between "glorification"* and instigation.

*Does Non-Con really glorify non-con? Non-con is not my thing (I'm more appreciative of "reluc" ), but I've never heard someone who likes erotica about non-consensual sex say, "Rape is great! Reading rape fantasies makes me wanna rape somebody!" Rather, it's more like, "Rape fantasies make me hot and make me type my story comments with one hand!"

 

[Emma_Ray_Garrett]

Well said, Oblimo. My very first Lit submission is Non-Con/Reluc. Sure, I could have put it in with non-human, or mature, or what ever. But I chose to put it there so no one would be shocked or taken aback by the reluctance of the 'heroine'. It's an ongoing piece and the edge will be pushed, but in the end the story isn't about her being taken reluctantly, but how enthusiastic she is to be getting what she's getting.

Like you said, it's the folks who don't know where fantasy ends and reality begins who take things too far. Rape fantasy, statistically speaking, is the third highest rated female fantasy. Does it mean women want to be raped? FUCK NO! It means they want their SO, someone they love/care for and trust, to come and take away their control and do all the naughty things they want done to them, but can't ask for.

 

[Oblimo]

My very first Lit submission is Non-Con/Reluc. Sure, I could have put it in with non-human, or mature, or what ever.

First submission? NonHuman? Reluc? I'll show ya mine if you show me yours.

 

[Emma_Ray_Garrett]

LOL, here's mine: http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=258853

I can't figure out how to get this thing to let me post web addy's.

I really liked yours. It's REALLY non-human, LOL! So creative and fresh! It was extremely enjoyable, IMO. Nice job!

 

[Jim4got]

Thanks for the perspectives

I appreciated the feedback and perspective. All the comments were constructive and helpful except the first one who allowed her bitchiness to show. Oh well!

I too like the non consent that turn into consensual. It's sort of every man's dream to grab someone and have their resistance melt away. I guess that was missing in the story I commented on, and why I was disappointed.

Anyway, thanks for comments.

Jim

 

[Recidiva]

I appreciated the feedback and perspective. All the comments were constructive and helpful except the first one who allowed her bitchiness to show. Oh well!

I too like the non consent that turn into consensual. It's sort of every man's dream to grab someone and have their resistance melt away. I guess that was missing in the story I commented on, and why I was disappointed.

Anyway, thanks for comments.

Jim

What you're talking about in there isn't nonconsent, it's being persuasive or being attractive and getting consent along the way. Coercion perhaps in the extreme, but there is at least some measure of consent.

Nonconsent makes the point of view of the person who isn't consenting unimportant. True, in real life that's illegal, but that's why people have to write it rather than do it to find out if it's a hot fantasy.

You can't condemn those who like to write or read as "wrong" any more than you can say guys that make horror movies or action films or watch them, should be more comfortable in the Romance genre.

 

[Oblimo]

LOL, here's mine: http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=258853

*reads* *votes*

Talk about angry sex. Yikes! Very effective. Is there more planned? If not, I might suggest a subtle increase of the nonhuman elements nonhuman aspects of the story by secreting implied references to Red Riding Hood.

I can't figure out how to get this thing to let me post web addy's.

Suppose I wanted to shameless plug my storywiki (and you know I wanna). You put the addy inside the bracket, and the text to turn into the link between them, like this:

[url=http://oblimo.pbwiki.com]Stuff I want to appear as the Hyperlink[/url]

In the post, that line appears like this:
Stuff I want to appear as the Hyperlink

I really liked yours. It's REALLY non-human, LOL! So creative and fresh! It was extremely enjoyable, IMO. Nice job!

Wow, thanks! For me, the difference between non-con and reluc is power play. In non-con, I think the reader wants to know exactly who's in control (and who isn't). In reluc, it's more of a game.

 

[Emma_Ray_Garrett]

LOL, angry sex, I love that! It's not really angry, but powerful, dominant, forceful, CONQUERING sex that gets me too horny to speak, LOLOL!

Yes, there is more coming, *LOL*! In the next part, Joshua's co-alpha arrives and they, the three of them, enjoy some enjoyable menage play. To say that Jakob and Joshua bathe her in their come might be putting it mildly!

Depending on how it plays out, it may not be reluctance... but I don't think that's what will happen. All of this is very beyond Kate's realm of experience, but ah well, ROFL, she enjoys herself nonetheless.

 

[not_with_my_wife]

Powerful

Yes. I am a powerful dominant male. We can't help it, it's in our jeans. I have spanked my wife and performed a strip search on her as well.
The fact that I asked her permission before doing either makes me no less a man. Just courteous.

Because I'm dominate, my wife asked my permission before we switched roles and she spanked and strip searched me. The fact that I got off on being spanked, merely means I'm comfortable enough with my manhood to enjoy what some may consider a demeaning experience.

During the strip search she also found a Christmas candle that we thought we'd lost, but that's a different deal. I tend to be forgetful.

Truthfully, I've forgotten what this thread was dealing with, but I agree with the person who started it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to do some dusting before my wife gets home.

Sincerely,
Stud Muffin

 

[S-Des]

What you're talking about in there isn't nonconsent, it's being persuasive or being attractive and getting consent along the way. Coercion perhaps in the extreme, but there is at least some measure of consent.

Nonconsent makes the point of view of the person who isn't consenting unimportant. True, in real life that's illegal, but that's why people have to write it rather than do it to find out if it's a hot fantasy.

You can't condemn those who like to write or read as "wrong" any more than you can say guys that make horror movies or action films or watch them, should be more comfortable in the Romance genre.

And the person who wrote, directed, or produced any of the slasher films must be a murderer (or people who like watching them might be tempted to act out their murder fantasies). I'll never understand why it's perfectly Ok to see innocent people tortured and murdered on the big screen, but reading or watching an NC situation in a movie is so bothersome.

Some NC stories are very hot (although I usually prefer something where a woman is torn between trying to hold on to her morals and giving in to her seduction). I probably won't write any straight NC like the poster was mentioning because it's not my thing, but I have no problem with anyone who does.

 

[jeninflorida]

Some of these, like Truth or Dare by Sabineteas, have no place here, or anywhere for that matter. This story tells about and glorifies a violent gang rape of one girl by eight guys, after it is arranged by some other girls. There is nothing erotic about violent gang rape, except perhaps to those who fanticize over doing such a thing.

The perpetrators of this act, if it were real, both males and females, should all spend time in the slammer, where they would get a taste of their own medicine.

That's how this story should end.

Jim

NC can be sexy, and i'm sure many of us think about it...just in different ways. to be in a situation where an attractive man seduces you and you have no control over it.....that is NC and no violence.

i do think, well what i've read and seen on the news that some gangs, that is party of the enterence for the girls.....to be taken by most members of the gang

 

[Jim4got]

Rape OK, underage and beastiaty not?

Literotica doesn't allow stories about underage sex or beastiality. Presumeably because they are against the law and/or contrary to our community standards of decency. Is rape less illegal or more acceptable?

I'm not talking about where consent is eventually won, I'm talking about outright violent rape, like the story cited by me in the original thread.

I may be prudish, old fashioned, or march to a different drum beat, but I am still revolted by it, -- although there were some good and interesting points made.

Jim

 

[jeninflorida]

Literotica doesn't allow stories about underage sex or beastiality. Presumeably because they are against the law and/or contrary to our community standards of decency. Is rape less illegal or more acceptable?

I'm not talking about where consent is eventually won, I'm talking about outright violent rape, like the story cited by me in the original thread.

I may be prudish, old fashioned, or march to a different drum beat, but I am still revolted by it, -- although there were some good and interesting points made.

Jim

no mean no....would never want to be raped, nor would any woman. now, to role play with hubby, in our home....that is fun.

 

[Recidiva]

Literotica doesn't allow stories about underage sex or beastiality. Presumeably because they are against the law and/or contrary to our community standards of decency. Is rape less illegal or more acceptable?

I'm not talking about where consent is eventually won, I'm talking about outright violent rape, like the story cited by me in the original thread.

I may be prudish, old fashioned, or march to a different drum beat, but I am still revolted by it, -- although there were some good and interesting points made.

Jim

Rape is a hugely popular fantasy for both genders. I think of it as just flooding your brain with lots of emotions and input. That's more what porn is to me. Just hitting the gas pedal as hard as you can, pouring a little of every bit of brain chemistry into the drink and taking a shot.

A decent rape story can be really good, at least for a lot of people, as fantasy.

I'm disgusted by incest and can't go near it without wanting to avoid sex for a month, but that's also hugely popular.

I may be prudish too, but the simple solution of freedom of speech is to not listen, if you don't want to hear.

You have a good point about why some and not the other. I don't know. Can't really tell you what gets your web site shut down, that's probably where the line is drawn, so that's the way it is.

I don't believe, though, that exploring fantasy means you're going to do it. Bestiality and underage also give me the heebie jeebies. I'm fine they're not here.

I just wonder why you'd read an entire story through to the end and then complain, stead of getting to the point you don't like (maybe the first sentence or the category..) and saying "Not for me." and moving on.

 

[Oblimo]

Literotica doesn't allow stories about underage sex or beastiality. Presumeably because they are against the law and/or contrary to our community standards of decency. Is rape less illegal or more acceptable?

Actually? Yes.

That is, in the United States, the artistic expression of the rape of an adult is not a crime, whereas the artistic expression of underage sex (and bestiality in some jurisdictions) is a crime. Even if "simulated." There's been a big constitutional law battle about it for a few years now, and most jurisdictions limit the crime to visual representation rather than text (although it is a crime to cyber with a minor--either a real minor or a cop pretending to be a minor-- in many states now, by the way). Additionally, most ISPs usage agreements make depiction of underage sex a contractual no-no.

The policy being that children and animals are in a special class that need additional protections that trump the various constitutional rights relating to the freedom of expersion.

 

[Jim4got]

I just wonder why you'd read an entire story through to the end and then complain, stead of getting to the point you don't like (maybe the first sentence or the category..) and saying "Not for me." and moving on.[/QUOTE]


So many of these srories have surprise and quirky endings, I guess I was holding out hope that it would be the case here. Like maybe it was all a dream or a game or who knows what. I waited in vain as it turns out.

Anyway, thatnks for the thoughts, many of which were provocative and educational. I'm more than willing to let this sleeping dog lie, (or is it lay?).

Jim

 

[spyro1123]

you cant lay sleeping dogs on this site... or in many juristictions apperently lol

 

[Avy]

Thats disgusting. So sick and crazy. 8 guys on 1 girl???? Goodness...........Thats kinda disturbing.

 

[jeninflorida]

Rape is a hugely popular fantasy for both genders. I think of it as just flooding your brain with lots of emotions and input. That's more what porn is to me. Just hitting the gas pedal as hard as you can, pouring a little of every bit of brain chemistry into the drink and taking a shot.

A decent rape story can be really good, at least for a lot of people, as fantasy.

I'm disgusted by incest and can't go near it without wanting to avoid sex for a month, but that's also hugely popular.

I may be prudish too, but the simple solution of freedom of speech is to not listen, if you don't want to hear.

You have a good point about why some and not the other. I don't know. Can't really tell you what gets your web site shut down, that's probably where the line is drawn, so that's the way it is.

I don't believe, though, that exploring fantasy means you're going to do it. Bestiality and underage also give me the heebie jeebies. I'm fine they're not here.

I just wonder why you'd read an entire story through to the end and then complain, stead of getting to the point you don't like (maybe the first sentence or the category..) and saying "Not for me." and moving on.

I have to agree with you, both genders have thoughts about this subject. Now, no girlfriend of mine wants to be raped....but loves the idea of her lover acting a little fantasy with her. i think most of my gf have enjoyed the thought, parking her car in the garage, walking into her home, and someone is behind her (she knows the scent), and he grabs her, pulls her into the bedroom, and takes her..... the key for us is the scent...as we know its hubby

I've nerver been a fan of incest, but i'm not going to seek out the authors and blast him or her....its not my thing so why would I read a story and get grossed out per say...when I know that I wont enjoy the story. i'm also not a fan of water sports...beastiality...or underage.