CNC Fiction - Ethical and Legal Concerns

[Kings3and3Lions]

hey everyone!

I'm not going to share any part of my story just yet. I've been writing a deeply personal Erotic Horror around rpe fantasy. Briefly, it's a story of love, of desecration and of trauma.

The story is through the eyes of the male character.

Act 1 establishes the profoundly loving relationship between a young 20-year old couple. I want the reader to legitimately fall in love with these characters. The female character has been a pillar of unconditional love for the male character after he's lost both his parents 2 years ago.

Act 2 introduces a satanic cult seizing them and ritualistically sexually assaulting the female character in front of the male character, through a supernatural semi-demon. The reader is put through the absolute torment lived by the male character... HOWEVER, of course, there is an element of arousal and sexually explicit and graphic description of the event. The idea for me is to have the reader get its candy, but feel really uncomfortable with it.
Yes, there is an element of arousal to the description of the act, but also the deep trauma endured by both characters, the male one especially, seeing his beloved girlfriend used, assaulted and desecrated. You're meant to battle between arousal and heartbreak (which is why Act 1 is so important. I WANT you to fall in love with these characters).

Act 3 is the aftermath, through the male characters eyes. His girlfriend is unresponsive, as though all the joy and happiness, and outgoing nature have been sucked out of her. She lives in a pure state of depression and He feels powerless to help her.



Now... I won't lie that this story is deeply personal. Very difficult to write. I personally love these characters. I root for them. But the idea is to journey the reader through the emotional ride. Life isn't always ponies and rainbows.
But I also won't lie that there is also a lot of graphic depiction and description in Act 2. I am NOT trying to glorify Non-consent. I am just exploring the nature of trauma.
Think Gaspar Noe's "Irreversible".

In all transparency, I am using ChatGPT to help me flesh it all out and it's been a HUGE help. However. It's twice now that he's stopped me for "ethical concerns" around the graphic descriptions in Act 2. I just want to look with you guys on a legal level if there's anything I should look out for. The LAST thing I want is to encourage or glorify anything illegal. But I do understand that such a story will blur ethical lines.

Last note: This IS meant to be an erotic horror. It IS meant to stimulate a level of arousal throughout act 1 and, especially act 2. But it's also about the emotional journey.


Thoughts?

Thank you in advance <3

 

[PennyThompson]

Without expressing any of my own personal opinions about CNC as a kink...

I don't think this would pass muster with Literotica's content rules. From the Content Guidelines:

we DO NOT publish works of any type featuring the following content:
...
Ravishment/non-consent fantasies in which the “victim” receives no thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and/or permanently physically harmed/abused/maimed/killed.

You would also be violating Lit's rules against using AI to assist with writing. We don't know what they use to detect AI use, but I'm pretty confident that anything written with a tool like ChatGPT is going to get caught and rejected.

 

[alohadave]

rpe fantasy

You don't need to censor words here.

Act 3 is the aftermath, through the male characters eyes. His girlfriend is unresponsive, as though all the joy and happiness, and outgoing nature have been sucked out of her. She lives in a pure state of depression and He feels powerless to help her.

This won't fly. The rules require that she must get some enjoyment from the situation.

In all transparency, I am using ChatGPT to help me flesh it all out and it's been a HUGE help.

AI is not allowed here. This will get your story rejected.

This IS meant to be an erotic horror.

Erotic Horror is for supernatural themes. Vampires, ghosts, etc.

 

[Kings3and3Lions]

This won't fly. The rules require that she must get some enjoyment from the situation.

AI is not allowed here. This will get your story rejected.

Erotic Horror is for supernatural themes. Vampires, ghosts, etc.

- I apologize, AI is not writing the story. AI is assisting me in structuring everything, breaking down the chapters and the sequencing of events. The actual writing is entirely done by myself.

"AI is not allowed here. This will get your story rejected."

- Is this an actual rule? And if so, why is that?

"Erotic Horror is for supernatural themes. Vampires, ghosts, etc."

- Isn't the idea of a semi-demon beast fall into supernatural themes? Or is there another area for that?


Thanks for your reply, btw! I appreciate it!

 

[Kings3and3Lions]

Without expressing any of my own personal opinions about CNC as a kink...

I don't think this would pass muster with Literotica's content rules. From the Content Guidelines:

Okay I see. So if the character gets no enjoyment from it, it will be banned. But if the female character does end up receiving joy from it, then it may pass? So basically just removing the whole CNC frame altogether...

You would also be violating Lit's rules against using AI to assist with writing. We don't know what they use to detect AI use, but I'm pretty confident that anything written with a tool like ChatGPT is going to get caught and rejected.

Hmm okay. That's good to know. Like I said, AI isn't writing it for me, it's just helping me structure everything. But from what I'm seeing, if I want to post it on Lit, I'll have to rework it entirely. Which is too bad. I was really interested in exploring the emotional themes in it.

 

[alohadave]

- I apologize, AI is not writing the story. AI is assisting me in structuring everything, breaking down the chapters and the sequencing of events. The actual writing is entirely done by myself.

"AI is not allowed here. This will get your story rejected."

- Is this an actual rule? And if so, why is that?

Actual rule. The site owners have decided that they don't want stories written by AI, that's all they've told us.

If you are doing all the writing yourself, you should be fine.

"Erotic Horror is for supernatural themes. Vampires, ghosts, etc."

- Isn't the idea of a semi-demon beast fall into supernatural themes? Or is there another area for that?

Sorry, I missed that part of your post. That should work for Erotic Horror.

Thanks for your reply, btw! I appreciate it!

No problem, good luck with your story.

 

[ElectricBlue]

hey everyone!

I'm not going to share any part of my story just yet. I've been writing a deeply personal Erotic Horror around rpe fantasy. Briefly, it's a story of love, of desecration and of trauma.

As a general observation, when someone starts a thread about potentially borderline content and asks, "Is this a bit dodgy?" they're generally answering their own question: yes, it's dodgy. When someone writes "ethical and legal concerns?" in their thread title, they're definitely answering their own question. I think you already know the answer - not on this site.

Your use of AI is possibly double jeopardy.

You might have a bit of a battle getting this one over the line. Only one way to find out though - write and submit. You never know your luck in the big city.

 

[SomaSlave]

For those who know how the CNC rules work here: from the brief description of the story, it sounds like the female victim may have received a great deal of pleasure during the desecration, but had her ability to enjoy pleasure somehow sucked out during the process (was that, perhaps, the sacrifice?). In such a situation,

 

[Bramblethorn]

- I apologize, AI is not writing the story. AI is assisting me in structuring everything, breaking down the chapters and the sequencing of events. The actual writing is entirely done by myself.

"AI is not allowed here. This will get your story rejected."

- Is this an actual rule? And if so, why is that?

https://www.literotica.com/faq/publishing/publishing-ai

They haven't elaborated on reasons beyond what's in that post, but some possible considerations:

• Literotica requires authors to declare that they own the copyright on stories they post here. The copyright status of "AI"-generated material is murky - it's possible that such material may infringe on other people's copyrights, and also possible that the person who generated a story with the aid of a large language model does not own that copyright. These issues are currently being argued over elsewhere, and Lit's owners may be waiting to see what the legal status is when the dust settles.
• Large language models allow people to generate very large qualities of low-quality material very quickly. Other sites have been swamped with AI-generated submissions; I know of at least one sci-fi magazine that had to stop taking submissions for several weeks until the torrent of AI-generated "slop" died down. Literotica depends on a single human moderator, and I don't think she'd be keen to greatly increase her workload.
• Opinions about the quality of AI-written material.

It sounds as if your use of AI is relatively minor, in which case these concerns might not be major issues for your stories specifically, but any kind of "only a little bit of AI" rule is unlikely to be practical - how does one measure that? So it's simpler to just say "no AI".

 

[Kings3and3Lions]

As a general observation, when someone starts a thread about potentially borderline content and asks, "Is this a bit dodgy?" they're generally answering their own question: yes, it's dodgy. When someone writes "ethical and legal concerns?" in their thread title, they're definitely answering their own question. I think you already know the answer - not on this site.

Your use of AI is possibly double jeopardy.

You might have a bit of a battle getting this one over the line. Only one way to find out though - write and submit. You never know your luck in the big city.

In no way would I ever want to submit a work that may be illegal in any way, nor would I ever want to potentially coerce anyone into perpetrating that (not that I think that would have been the case, but nonetheless...)

I never considered that such content could be illegal... It's in the realm of fantasy. I mean look at the "CNC" in Hentai. Look at movies like "Irreversible" by Gaspar Noe, or "I Spit On Your Grave" by Meir Zarchi.

For anyone it may interest, the "legal concerns" come when such scenes may be eroticized or glorified. I think that's a fine line to cross. Especially if I'm writing a story that includes the emotional and psychological trauma of a victim climaxing during the event and battling with that in the aftermath.

I decided to scrap the story altogether. Which is unfortunate because I really think it could have been a powerful story the dives deep into exploring the dynamics of Love, Trauma, Pleasure and Healing.


But, like you say, if I'm getting stonewalled time and again, I guess it's best to scrap it and move on. There are other great works that explore these subjects safely.

 

[Isabel_Innuende]

Based on what you've said I really don't think you need to scrap your story! It sounds like an interesting premise and I think you're maybe feeling discouraged by what people have said, but I'd like to urge you to reconsider.

As a writer of non-con stories and a frequent reader of that category, here are the basic rules I've gathered for what is acceptable on Literotica:

1. You can describe a rape, even a relatively brutal rape, as long as the victim has an orgasm. This is usually couched as, "despite everything, her body betrayed her". She can be still completely traumatized by the experience, as long as there is an orgasm. That's the main rule.

2. Although some violence is allowed, any gore, extreme torture or death are completely not allowed. I believe this might extend to the perpetrator dying, too. If the character walked in on someone being raped, for example, and then shot the rapist, I think that would not be allowed. I recently read a series in which a young woman is kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery, in which she is horrifically tortured and raped over years and before the final chapter, the author posted an update saying that their final chapter was rejected for "snuff". I think what must have happened is that in the final chapter they originally wrote, the victim finally turned the tables on the perpetrators and killed them, which is what the story was setting up. Instead, the author had to rewrite the final chapter in which (spoiler) the criminals were caught and went to jail. (Personally, I was annoyed by that and think the story would have been much better with the original ending, but the rules are the rules.) So, you're not going to be able to punish the perpetrators of the rape by death within the story. That said, I have read one story on here in which the victim bites off the rapist's penis at the end of the story and then gets away, so you can get pretty brutal if it makes sense within the story.

3. I'm going to have to disagree with those saying that Literotica doesn't allow stories in which the victim experiences lasting psychological harm. That would exclude a huge section of the stories in the non-con category. Many of the stories depict people with lasting harm from being raped. I think if if they experienced lasting horrific physical harm, that would probably be a bridge too far.

4. I am just going to nit-pick your usage of "CNC" to describe your story. "CNC" is "consensual non-consent", where both or all parties consent to doing a rape fantasy role play. An example of this would be, say, a negotiated scene in which a boyfriend asks his girlfriend to tie him up and "rape" him in which they used safe words and did regular check-ins and the whole thing was consensual and loving. What you've described is just a straight up NC, as the victim seems to have definitely not consented in any way to what happens to her.

5. As for the AI thing, you've just used AI to help you write an outline, yes? That shouldn't be a problem at all. Total non-issue. Not the same thing as having AI write your story at all. I think people just misunderstood.

Anyway, if you want me to look over what you've written and give you my opinion, I'd be happy to do so. You can DM me and I could give you my email address so you could send me your draft. I also read a lot of stories in the non-consent/reluctance category and occasionally in the Erotic Horror category, so I'd be happy to provide you with specific examples of works that would have similar elements to what you're describing.

 

[ElectricBlue]

In no way would I ever want to submit a work that may be illegal in any way, nor would I ever want to potentially coerce anyone into perpetrating that (not that I think that would have been the case, but nonetheless...)

I never considered that such content could be illegal... It's in the realm of fantasy. I mean look at the "CNC" in Hentai. Look at movies like "Irreversible" by Gaspar Noe, or "I Spit On Your Grave" by Meir Zarchi.

To clarify - being legal or illegal is irrelevant here, it's the Literotica content policy that's being talked about. Two quite different things. In most countries you can write the most abhorrent content and get it published. You can write about illegal activity and get it published. The question here is, will Lit allow you to publish such content on this website.

For anyone it may interest, the "legal concerns" come when such scenes may be eroticized or glorified. I think that's a fine line to cross. Especially if I'm writing a story that includes the emotional and psychological trauma of a victim climaxing during the event and battling with that in the aftermath.

The line here is the Lit content policy line, not a legal line. The Lit non-consent policy requirement is that the victim must ultimately get pleasure from the violent or non-consensual act perpetrated against them. If the orgasm you propose brings no pleasure, then it's a push against that line.

As an aside, having read commentary on this site from rape victims, I wouldn't necessarily assume orgasm = pleasure.

I decided to scrap the story altogether. Which is unfortunate because I really think it could have been a powerful story the dives deep into exploring the dynamics of Love, Trauma, Pleasure and Healing.

If your proposed content was sensitive towards the victim, it might pass, depending how you deal with the rape. It sounds like you would be sensitive to the victim, so it's possibly not a rapist fantasy.

But, like you say, if I'm getting stonewalled time and again, I guess it's best to scrap it and move on. There are other great works that explore these subjects safely.

The sole arbiter is the site editor. You're not getting stonewalled - you came here seeking advice, you're getting it. It's up to you what you do with it. You know you might be pushing the Lit content policy line or you wouldn't have asked the question, you're getting people saying, sounds like you might be; but the only test is to submit your story and find out.

 

[Zippy100]

hey everyone!

I'm not going to share any part of my story just yet. I've been writing a deeply personal Erotic Horror around rpe fantasy. Briefly, it's a story of love, of desecration and of trauma.

The story is through the eyes of the male character.

Act 1 establishes the profoundly loving relationship between a young 20-year old couple. I want the reader to legitimately fall in love with these characters. The female character has been a pillar of unconditional love for the male character after he's lost both his parents 2 years ago.

Act 2 introduces a satanic cult seizing them and ritualistically sexually assaulting the female character in front of the male character, through a supernatural semi-demon. The reader is put through the absolute torment lived by the male character... HOWEVER, of course, there is an element of arousal and sexually explicit and graphic description of the event. The idea for me is to have the reader get its candy, but feel really uncomfortable with it.
Yes, there is an element of arousal to the description of the act, but also the deep trauma endured by both characters, the male one especially, seeing his beloved girlfriend used, assaulted and desecrated. You're meant to battle between arousal and heartbreak (which is why Act 1 is so important. I WANT you to fall in love with these characters).

Act 3 is the aftermath, through the male characters eyes. His girlfriend is unresponsive, as though all the joy and happiness, and outgoing nature have been sucked out of her. She lives in a pure state of depression and He feels powerless to help her.



Now... I won't lie that this story is deeply personal. Very difficult to write. I personally love these characters. I root for them. But the idea is to journey the reader through the emotional ride. Life isn't always ponies and rainbows.
But I also won't lie that there is also a lot of graphic depiction and description in Act 2. I am NOT trying to glorify Non-consent. I am just exploring the nature of trauma.
Think Gaspar Noe's "Irreversible".

In all transparency, I am using ChatGPT to help me flesh it all out and it's been a HUGE help. However. It's twice now that he's stopped me for "ethical concerns" around the graphic descriptions in Act 2. I just want to look with you guys on a legal level if there's anything I should look out for. The LAST thing I want is to encourage or glorify anything illegal. But I do understand that such a story will blur ethical lines.

Last note: This IS meant to be an erotic horror. It IS meant to stimulate a level of arousal throughout act 1 and, especially act 2. But it's also about the emotional journey.


Thoughts?

Thank you in advance <3

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