No Herd Immunity to Delta ?

[oggbashan]

It might be accurate, but when you say the "highest"
you do not take in account the inaccuracies from the
dictatorship which can present any number that they
wish to do so. Additionally, Italy hate higher "rates"
but smaller numbers because of a smaller population.


So as a guy with a math degree, I know the fallacy
of plucking a number and using it out of context...

I agree. The figures for countries with the most deaths are NOT TRUE. Too many countries cannot measure, or WILL NOT. Even if they can report accurately, the criteria for assessing whether someone died OF covid, compared to those who died with Covid as a non-fatal complication vary by country.

Return to UK TV. Are you suggesting UK people should not believe Trump's statemsnts shown in full on TV news channels?

 

[Champakian]

Thank you.

And no, they should not believe anything unless
it is the full speech or full press conference.

When a reporter or news broadcast relies on soundbites
to deliver you a story, tucked firmly in the back of your
mind should be the understanding that excerpts are
subject to the bias of those who select them. That's
why I don't use the television for ANY news whatsoever.


Caveat: I do rely on the local news broadcast
to keep me aware of things I need to know
locally that might affect me personally.
I mentally tune out any political
reporting that they engage in.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

AJ caught the virus because he didn't listen to smart people. Why the fuck would anyone listen to his dumbfuckery?

 

[oggbashan]

Thank you.

And no, they should not believe anything unless
it is the full speech or full press conference.

When a reporter or news broadcast relies on soundbites
to deliver you a story, tucked firmly in the back of your
mind should be the understanding that excerpts are
subject to the bias of those who select them. That's
why I don't use the television for ANY news whatsoever.


Caveat: I do rely on the local news broadcast
to keep me aware of things I need to know
locally that might affect me personally.
I mentally tune out any political
reporting that they engage in.

With President Trump's early statements about Covid - most UK news channels showed the WHOLE press conferences - which were short anyway. Part of the reason is that the President didn't take questions from foreign reporters until the end.

The editorial comment afterwards could vary according to the bias of the broadcaster, but the speech was all there. It was the same with UK newspapers - except for the rabid left or right - almost all UK newspapers report the facts (they might select the facts) - but not for a President's speech which they would report as it was) before adding comments.

The UK media is far more accurate and has higher standards than many US outlets. Yes, they can be left or right-leaning, but the accuracy of the news is paramount to most outlets. After the facts? The bias can show but you get the facts first.

 

[Champakian]

Uh-huh...



"Everything is better in my country."

Did you even read what I said? I don't get my news from TV.
I don't think you should either. I think you're taking pride in
a more subtle form of manipulation. Kudos to your press...

 

[Champakian]

Throb/Luk, stfu and quit spinning stories that bear no relation to the truth.

 

[innocntplay]

Man made or not, covid19 and all it’s variants are here to stay as any other flu is.

Who knows when a vaccine is available? Currently there is a test vaccine for what was thought to be covid 19.

Annual flu vaccines that have been fairly effective with limited adverse action are not only tested but approved by a non politically driven organization. The FDA which has now been polluted by politics.

The Biden regime has broken the system. The Trump admin allowed FDA to break their rules to accelerate a vaccine. A vaccine that was optional. And a test mRNA.

Now parts of the current regime that are supposed to be the face of trusted American research and information are using words like mandate.

If a government can mandate a vaccine they can mandate castration or labotamies.

Let’s hope there is a vaccine soon.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Throb/Luk, stfu and quit spinning stories that bear no relation to the truth.

Are you now gonna lie about catching the virus?

 

[Champakian]

Man made or not, covid19 and all it’s variants are here to stay as any other flu is.

Who knows when a vaccine is available? Currently there is a test vaccine for what was thought to be covid 19.

Annual flu vaccines that have been fairly effective with limited adverse action are not only tested but approved by a non politically driven organization. The FDA which has now been polluted by politics.

The Biden regime has broken the system. The Trump admin allowed FDA to break their rules to accelerate a vaccine. A vaccine that was optional. And a test mRNA.

Now parts of the current regime that are supposed to be the face of trusted American research and information are using words like mandate.

If a government can mandate a vaccine they can mandate castration or labotamies.

Let’s hope there is a vaccine soon.

I have to agree with a lot of that.

 

[innocntplay]

The current vaccines are inactivated, attenuated, recombinant.
I’m not a scientist but those are the target flu virus that have been modified somehow to make them harmless but still something the immune system can fight and build it’s own immunity for.
Now that there are variants it makes me think a vaccine is a good ways off. I understand it takes years to develop this type vaccine. 20 months in the “scientists” are telling of two variants. Unfortunately they are telling via politicians and media outlets. No information about the testing is available or discussion how these mutations evolved or were created. Only that governments and organizations were testing with nature’s ability to mutate.
And now there is nothing they can do about it. It’s like they were actually ego driven dumbasses and figured out how to create the chicken before the egg.

 

[Champakian]

As I have said before in so many ways,
you cannot develop a vaccine for a moving target.

 

[innocntplay]

My latest, non-contest:
https://www.literotica.com/s/canny-mackenzie


Oggbashan's long list of stories and poems
Jeanne D'Artois' few
Jeanne's latest: https://www.literotica.com/s/dont-annoy-a-fairy

electricblue66:
It's like [oggbashan] is writing for the third puffin over there by the sixth rock, when everyone else is an emperor penguin in the Antarctic, where there's tens of thousands of the bastards.



My dying curse for BusyBody of the General Board (or whatever his latest alt is):

May he owe his life to an American Muslim called Mohammed.

Unless I can think of a better one...

Blah blah blah
It’s way too difficult to fact check a Brit that gets his information from British media and quotes it as fact.

 

[Champakian]

Who is to blame?

The unvaccinated?

https://townhall.com/columnists/way...i-know-who-is-making-a-fortune-on-it-n2593393

Maybe not so much...

 

[LukSkyFokker]

99% of those currently hospitalized are not vaccinated.

Who is to blame?

The unvaccinated?

https://townhall.com/columnists/way...i-know-who-is-making-a-fortune-on-it-n2593393

Maybe not so much...

 

[oggbashan]

Uh-huh...



"Everything is better in my country."

Did you even read what I said? I don't get my news from TV.
I don't think you should either. I think you're taking pride in
a more subtle form of manipulation. Kudos to your press...

No, it ain't necessarily better and I know it isn't. But our press is. We got President's Trump's news conferences in full from multiple sources. My main news comes from quality newspapers. I rely on TV News channels for the idiot's guides to the headlines. Years ago, as part of a course I was taking the group studied as many news outlets as we could on a quiet news day. We looked at UK news stories only. This was before internet news and news streamed to mobiles.

The main evening TV news had about 10 to 12 reports, none in great depth and selected for picture content. Even the continuous new channels only had between 15 and 18.

The most basic tabloids had between 50 and 60 reports and in far more depth on the TV news reports. The quality papers had between 80 and 100 stories.

It is still true today. If I were to rely only on TV reports I would miss a lot.

 

[HisArpy]

I have to agree with a lot of that.

I agree with all of it except it doesn't go far enough.

If the government can mandate vaccines, they can mandate castration and lobotomies. They can also mandate FORCED pregnancy/abortion.

The worst part is that some people, out of mental confusion and idiocy, will even endorse it for the good of the people while declaiming anyone who tries to stop it as "evil" and/or "a Trumpist."

 

[oggbashan]

Careful, HisArpy. Your paranoia is showing.

What evidence have you that the US government wants to go any further than trying to protect the citizens from Covid?

It is one thing to stop people from dying. What else you say shows you don't trust your government to behave reasonably.

 

[HisArpy]

Careful, HisArpy. Your paranoia is showing.

What evidence have you that the US government wants to go any further than trying to protect the citizens from Covid?

It is one thing to stop people from dying. What else you say shows you don't trust your government to behave reasonably.

NO government speaks to its citizens truthfully. They cannot afford to because it would alarm the masses. Who would then vote with either their ballots or their guns to dissolve said government.

Anyone who picks either side of the UFO question should understand that. Yet here we are today, with "official" statements that UFO's do exist after decades of "UFO's don't exist" from the same "officials."

Anyone who reads history and realizes that there are people out there who have "disappeared" soon after becoming political dissidents and the dissident's government disavows having anything to do with it, should understand it too. Until later evidence shows otherwise.

Then, I give you; "two weeks to slow the spread", "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", and finally, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."

Finally, I'm a lawyer. I KNOW how far the government will go to deprive its citizens of the truth and the ability to live in liberty. For a well known example, government has seized private property and gifted it to another person just so that government gets a higher tax base out of the deal. Do you think that a government which is so entrenched in enriching itself to the detriment of the citizenry is limited by ANYTHING?

Government is not benevolent. It is Frankenstein's monster.

 

[oggbashan]

n the UK there has been ONE case where a person was sterilised without their consent. It took days of legal argument. The person had the mental age of 4 and was in a stable and loving relationship with a woman of a similar mental age.

Neither could deal with the consequences of pregnancy or birth and other forms of contraception were unavailable because of other medical issues.

I cannot see that anything would be different in the US.

 

[Champakian]

Ogg, you may get them, but how many Brits really sit there and watch them?

I mean, I have two CSpan (mainly live politics) channels and the only time
I ever see them is when I am channel-surfing past them.



I submit that the average Brit gets his/her news about the
United States from soundbite and peer echo-chamber.

It would be like asking the average American to
describe the current state of your politics.

Hell, we don't even know who your PM is.

 

[Champakian]

n the UK there has been ONE case where a person was sterilised without their consent. It took days of legal argument. The person had the mental age of 4 and was in a stable and loving relationship with a woman of a similar mental age.

Neither could deal with the consequences of pregnancy or birth and other forms of contraception were unavailable because of other medical issues.

I cannot see that anything would be different in the US.

You don't have an ACLU?

 

[Champakian]

Has it helped us remain vigilant that President Biden
declared victory in the War on Covid?



He was heartily cheered by those who would
blame the right for not sufficiently vaccinating...

 

[bellisarius]

Has it helped us remain vigilant that President Biden
declared victory in the War on Covid?



He was heartily cheered by those who would
blame the right for not sufficiently vaccinating...

*chuckle* When that shoe dropped I was reminded of Bush II's "Mission Accomplished" banner and how he was excoriated by the leftists. In Biden's case the usual suspects in the MSM eagerly joined in the celebration...................further eroding their credibility.

 

[Champakian]

The National Enquirer now has more credibility than the MSM,
mainly because they are completely honest about what they are...



Should the right be excoriated for taking President Biden at his word?

 

[oggbashan]

...


Hell, we don't even know who your PM is.

Why should you care? The US has enough news stories without trying to cover foreign news as well.

Who our prime minister is doesn't really impact on the US, but who the US president is, has an impact on the whole world.