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Anyone know what's up with the Manziel, finger-snapping thing he did when he walked onto the stage?

I see pics of it everywhere, but nary an explanation.
 
islandman said:
But he's not healthier given that he has an injury history of sufficient caliber to scare off teams.

Further, from NFL.com: In addition, he has an injury history, is not all that physical or strong and never truly has shown he can stop the run.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...ynch-jackson-jeffcoat-lead-allundrafted-squad


In short, there appears to be credible reasons as to why he went undrafted.
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Back class:

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/05/jackson-jeffcoat-scouting-report.html

My bet is Jeffcoat will have a better NFL career than Sam.
 
islandman said:
Anyone know what's up with the Manziel, finger-snapping thing he did when he walked onto the stage?

I see pics of it everywhere, but nary an explanation.
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It's not finger-snapping. It's rubbing the fingers together and it more or less means money when most people do it.
 
toubab said:
It's not finger-snapping. It's rubbing the fingers together and it more or less means money when most people do it.
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Ah.

A bit crass, but....meh.


toubab said:
Back class:

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/05/jackson-jeffcoat-scouting-report.html

My bet is Jeffcoat will have a better NFL career than Sam.
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That was the 2013 season scouting report. Evidently he didn't take that next step in his junior (2014) season.

Put another way, he was projected to go in the third or fourth round, yet, went undrafted. While I agree with your point that there is affirmative action at play in the world, 127 other players other than Sam were drafted ahead of Jeffcoat, ostensibly because 32 NFL teams thought that 127 players were better than Jeffcoat. It's more likely that he's not the player you think he is. More to the point, 32 NFL teams don't think he's the player you think he is.

But let's suppose for a moment that the Rams would have taken Jeffcoat instead of Sam with the 249th pick. What we're really talking about here is that Jeffcoat would have been seven picks away from being Mr. Irrelevant. I don't know about you, but that's a big "whoop- de-doo" from my casual perspective.
 
islandman said:
Ah.

A bit crass, but....meh.





That was the 2013 season scouting report. Evidently he didn't take that next step in his junior (2014) season.

Put another way, he was projected to go in the third or fourth round, yet, went undrafted. While I agree with your point that there is affirmative action at play in the world, 127 other players other than Sam were drafted ahead of Jeffcoat, ostensibly because 32 NFL teams thought that 127 players were better than Jeffcoat. It's more likely that he's not the player you think he is. More to the point, 32 NFL teams don't think he's the player you think he is.

But let's suppose for a moment that the Rams would have taken Jeffcoat instead of Sam with the 249th pick. What we're really talking about here is that Jeffcoat would have been seven picks away from being Mr. Irrelevant. I don't know about you, but that's a big "whoop- de-doo" from my casual perspective.
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Apparently you're not familiar with the term back class. Ask a horseplayer what it means, if you know one.
 
islandman said:
Enlighten me.
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It typically means a horse has shown it has the breeding and ability in the past to win at a high level, but perhaps suffered an injury or two and fell off form. Often a new trainer will correct the problem or problems, and the back class will show again, perhaps with even better results.
 
toubab said:
It typically means a horse has shown it has the breeding and ability in the past to win at a high level, but perhaps suffered an injury or two and fell off form. Often a new trainer will correct the problem or problems, and the back class will show again, perhaps with even better results.
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When pro scouts use phrases as "injury history", it brings to mind more than the odd "injury or two".

But let's circle back on this and see if Jeffcoat bests Sam in, say, 10 year's time. Loser gets the dreaded :rolleyes: in his direction.
 
islandman said:
When pro scouts use phrases as "injury history", it brings to mind more than the odd "injury or two".

But let's circle back on this and see if Jeffcoat bests Sam in, say, 10 year's time. Loser gets the dreaded :rolleyes: in his direction.
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Fair enough. Have a good evening.
 
toubab said:
Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and All-American Jackson Jeffcoat went undrafted. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and a much better athlete than Michael Sam. He's now going to Seattle, as a free agent.
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Sports Illustrated:
Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas: The son of former Cowboys and Bills end Jim, Jeffcoat was projected as a third-to-fourth-round prospect by many media scouting services. But the Longhorns were shut out of the draft for the first time since 1937, and Jeffcoat was the primary player left out in the cold. Multiple injuries and iffy production got in his way, though he did amass 13 sacks in 2013. He’s a tweener at 6-3 and 247 pounds. A marvel on pass rushes, he struggles against the run. He needs a team who needs OLB help in a 3-4 defense.
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RjThoughts said:
Some don't see past the "he's gay so he NEEDED to be drafted" bullshit
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If he hadn't come out as gay, he would not have received 1/100th of the press he has gotten. It certainly is not deserved for his football abilities.
 
Balladeer08 said:
If he hadn't come out as gay, he would not have received 1/100th of the press he has gotten. It certainly is not deserved for his football abilities.
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When is the amount of media coverage ever reflective of a player's abilities? If that were the case, Manziel would have been drafted with the first pick instead of the 22nd.
 
Balladeer08 said:
If he hadn't come out as gay, he would not have received 1/100th of the press he has gotten. It certainly is not deserved for his football abilities.
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So what? He was projected as a 5-7 round pick.

I wonder how many people were more upset about Sam kissing his boyfriend thrice on tv than were about the "poor" rich kid Manziel falling to number 22 and about his "money money money" signs thrown.
 
islandman said:
When is the amount of media coverage ever reflective of a player's abilities? If that were the case, Manziel would have been drafted with the first pick instead of the 22nd.
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John Gruden drafted him 21 times before he actually got drafted. ESPN was over the top on Johnny Football....NFL network was much more brass tacks and football focused.
 
okatty35 said:
John Gruden drafted him 21 times before he actually got drafted. ESPN was over the top on Johnny Football....NFL network was much more brass tacks and football focused.
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I'm curious to know if you know what the NFL Network had to say about Sam or Jeffcoat.
 
islandman said:
I'm curious to know if you know what the NFL Network had to say about Sam or Jeffcoat.
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Sorry, I only watched the first round.

Bunch of links on Sam there though

http://search.nfl.com/search?query=michael+sam

DE: Jackson Jeffcoat, Texas

The buzz: Jeffcoat (6-3, 247) was the Big 12 defensive player of the year in 2013, when he had 86 tackles, 13 sacks, 22 tackles for loss and 19 quarterback pressures. He also was a first-team All-American in 2013. He was a three-year starter for the Longhorns and finished his career with 27.5 sacks and 60 tackles for loss. He also has great bloodlines -- his dad, Jim, was a longtime NFL defensive end. But his size makes him a 'tweener. In addition, he has an injury history, is not all that physical or strong and never truly has shown he can stop the run.
Status: Jeffcoat signed with the Seattle Seahawks.
 
okatty35 said:
Sorry, I only watched the first round.

Bunch of links on Sam there though

http://search.nfl.com/search?query=michael+sam

DE: Jackson Jeffcoat, Texas

The buzz: Jeffcoat (6-3, 247) was the Big 12 defensive player of the year in 2013, when he had 86 tackles, 13 sacks, 22 tackles for loss and 19 quarterback pressures. He also was a first-team All-American in 2013. He was a three-year starter for the Longhorns and finished his career with 27.5 sacks and 60 tackles for loss. He also has great bloodlines -- his dad, Jim, was a longtime NFL defensive end. But his size makes him a 'tweener. In addition, he has an injury history, is not all that physical or strong and never truly has shown he can stop the run.
Status: Jeffcoat signed with the Seattle Seahawks.
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I think the Seattle Seahawks know a thing or two about who can play defense, including stopping the run. I'm thinking they were very glad Jeffcoat wasn't drafted.
 
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