New study measures which states handled Covid best

[BabyBoomer50s]

A comprehensive study released last week by National Bureau of Economic Research examines which states (and DC) handled Covid the best and which handled it the worst, measured in terms of health outcomes, economic performance, and impact on education.

The top 10 states were:
1. Utah
2. Neb
3. VT
4. Mont.
5. SD
6. Florida
7. NH
8. Maine
9. Ark.
10. Idaho

The worst performers in the bottom 10 states were:
NJ
DC
NY
NM
CA
IL
MD
NV
CT
PA

Here is the abstract and link to the full report. https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/NBERcovidstudy.pdf

“Almost exactly two years ago COVID-19 spread to the United States. Following the federalism model, the 50 states and their governors and legislators made many of their own pandemic policy choices to mitigate the damage from the virus. States learned from one another over time about what policies worked most and least effectively in terms of containing the virus while minimizing the negative effects of lockdown strategies on businesses and children.
This study is an expanded and updated version of an October 2020 report card of how pandemic health, economy, and policy varied across the 50 states and the District of Columbia (Committee to Unleash Prosperity 2020). It examines three variables: health outcomes, economic performance throughout the pandemic, and impact on education.”

 

[Champakian]

My state(s) didn't make either list.

Then again, these lists usually purport to be objective measure based upon subjective metrics...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Well reading the report, you can tell the authors are from the "Right". Now I am not going to say so far as MTG right, but definitely right of Romney, Bush, and Chaney.

From an economic point, the numbers do tend to show that the list ranking provided is not fudged. From a pure economic measure it might even be accurate.

However they also fail to regard the pandemic as a socio-economic issue, instead the focus is on how well each stated did as they (economically) passed through the pandemic.

That they purposely chose to dismiss the socio-economic inputs/outputs and focused only on economics is an exceeding poor approach, unless you wish to ignore the cost of a person, and the cost born by that person's family, and the ranking that goes with that cost.

I am sure this report will offer great condolence to those unfortunate millions who died of COVID needlessly, only so that their states economic impacts were minimal.

 

[ll74]

I thought Ohio did a fantastic job.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

My state(s) didn't make either list.

Then again, these lists usually purport to be objective measure based upon subjective metrics...

Well reading the report, you can tell the authors are from the "Right". Now I am not going to say so far as MTG right, but definitely right of Romney, Bush, and Chaney.

From an economic point, the numbers do tend to show that the list ranking provided is not fudged. From a pure economic measure it might even be accurate.

However they also fail to regard the pandemic as a socio-economic issue, instead the focus is on how well each stated did as they (economically) passed through the pandemic.

That they purposely chose to dismiss the socio-economic inputs/outputs and focused only on economics is an exceeding poor approach, unless you wish to ignore the cost of a person, and the cost born by that person's family, and the ranking that goes with that cost.

I am sure this report will offer great condolence to those unfortunate millions who died of COVID needlessly, only so that their states economic impacts were minimal.

In addition to economic performance, it measured education (lost days of schools) and mortality (adjusted for age and co-morbidity).

My state, California really blew it. Despite the 40th worst economic performance and 50th worst in-person school days, it’s mortality rate was middle of the pack.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's a good...not perfect....attempt to quantify Covid response by state. I take issue with a few things:

1. It appears to weigh "medical" "economic" and "educational" conditions equally....is this a valid assumption?
2. A core educational component of the study is founded on the assumption that the length of an educational institution lockout is correlated with high school graduation rate, i.e. "the longer the lockout, the more they drop out".

 

[ll74]

In addition to economic performance, it measured education (lost days of schools) and mortality (adjusted for age and co-morbidity).

My state, California really blew it. Despite the 40th worst economic performance and 50th worst in-person school days, it’s mortality rate was middle of the pack.

You should move to Texas.

I've heard good things

 

[PaxNurgle]

A lot of this has to do with population density. If the same anti-COVID measures put in place in Montana, Nebraska and Idaho were applied to much more urbanized areas like New Jersey, California and New York, you would have had two to three times the death rate. Lower density= easier to avoid contact with larger numbers of people and harder for the virus to quickly spread.

Which underscores how difficult it is to have a one-size-fits all approach to public health emergency policies. In Idaho and Utah, all the Covid restrictions did was piss off a whole bunch of rural voters (where case numbers were relatively low), while case rates in Salt Lake and Boise were actually higher, per capita, than those in San Francisco or New York.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While there are definitely things that are best handles at smaller more local levels I'm not sure how you handle this with the East Coasters. Especially North East. My sister used to live out there and half the time she couldn't tell you what street her favorite bar was on because she'd cross like three state lines. Unless we're going to set up checkpoints when you go from one state to another that doesn't seem like a good system.

Now the farther west you get the less likely you are to just cross state lines casually.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You should move to Texas.

I've heard good things

Yeah, and you should move to New York!

 

[ll74]

Yeah, and you should move to New York!

I have no issue with Ohio

 

[Sean Renaud]

I kinda hate Ohio.

 

[ll74]

I kinda hate Ohio.

That's cool. I kinda hate most of Michigan and West Virginia

But Florida is usually entertaining

 

[Sean Renaud]

I have no love for Florida. But my entire adult life I spend election night with my fingers crossed that you guys don't fuck up the Presidential election and with Biden you're just barely breaking even. And Trump was a pretty egregious screw up. I can forgive Bush. . .the second time. War president and all.

 

[ll74]

I have no love for Florida. But my entire adult life I spend election night with my fingers crossed that you guys don't fuck up the Presidential election and with Biden you're just barely breaking even. And Trump was a pretty egregious screw up. I can forgive Bush. . .the second time. War president and all.

Yah, we voted for Trump this last go round. Before that we voted for our previous Governor.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Like I said, I literally go to sleep once they call Ohio. I don't need to wait for a curtain or red and the last time my state so much as sent up a Republican Senator was in the 90's. I was negative three when Reagan got elected the first time and infants have little interest in politics the second time around. However at the time he was universally loved.

I wonder how many times a celebrity with little to no political experience is going to get in, fuck things up before we start treating politicans the way we do any other professional. Experience required!

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

The worst performers in the bottom 10 states were:
DC

DC ain't no state

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I thought Ohio did a fantastic job.

Agreed

 

[YDB95]

I was negative three when Reagan got elected the first time and infants have little interest in politics the second time around. However at the time he was universally loved.

Not true. There were always plenty of us who disliked him.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not true. There were always plenty of us who disliked him.

Sometimes we need to define "plenty" I mean didn't he lose like two states?

 

[YDB95]

Sometimes we need to define "plenty" I mean didn't he lose like two states?

His nationwide share of the popular vote was 59%, meaning 41% voted against him. And that had less to do with him than with his opponent making the mistake of being honest about the need to raise taxes if we wanted to balance the budget.

 

[Champakian]

Well reading the report, you can tell the authors are from the "Right". Now I am not going to say so far as MTG right, but definitely right of Romney, Bush, and Chaney.

From an economic point, the numbers do tend to show that the list ranking provided is not fudged. From a pure economic measure it might even be accurate.

However they also fail to regard the pandemic as a socio-economic issue, instead the focus is on how well each stated did as they (economically) passed through the pandemic.

That they purposely chose to dismiss the socio-economic inputs/outputs and focused only on economics is an exceeding poor approach, unless you wish to ignore the cost of a person, and the cost born by that person's family, and the ranking that goes with that cost.

I am sure this report will offer great condolence to those unfortunate millions who died of COVID needlessly, only so that their states economic impacts were minimal.

You eschew the objective for the subjective...

So, I think, this way, a man of the Left could point out how well "his" state(s) managed the intangibles
while minimizing the tangible result of policies because, you know, numbers lie.

 

[JohnnySavage]

That's cool. I kinda hate most of Michigan and West Virginia

But Florida is usually entertaining

???

We don't bother nobody.

 

[WillJ8787]

Well reading the report, you can tell the authors are from the "Right". Now I am not going to say so far as MTG right, but definitely right of Romney, Bush, and Chaney.

From an economic point, the numbers do tend to show that the list ranking provided is not fudged. From a pure economic measure it might even be accurate.

However they also fail to regard the pandemic as a socio-economic issue, instead the focus is on how well each stated did as they (economically) passed through the pandemic.

That they purposely chose to dismiss the socio-economic inputs/outputs and focused only on economics is an exceeding poor approach, unless you wish to ignore the cost of a person, and the cost born by that person's family, and the ranking that goes with that cost.

I am sure this report will offer great condolence to those unfortunate millions who died of COVID needlessly, only so that their states economic impacts were minimal.

Oh, surprise, surprise, surprise...a report along party lines showing the side babydummer supports is great.

 

[Champakian]

National Bureau of Economic Research

"Editorially, they tend to favor left-leaning policies, but they cover both objectives and attempt to be as least biased as possible.

"Overall, we rate NBER least biased based on reasonably balanced editorial positions. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (D. Van Zandt 3/23/2017) Updated (3/26/2021)"

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-bureau-of-economic-research-nber/