New Level of Yes on Prop 8 Hypocrisy

[sadangel]

Excerpt of an email I received from Equality California. WTF is the matter with those people! Is there no end to their hypocrisy?

I'm afraid not. I just don't get it I guess. *sigh*

I thought God was all about love, did they forget that?

The God I grew up belieiving in, was a God of love, and somehow, it seems that when it comes to homosexual's, God is only one of hate. I wonder if HE knows that?!

Don't worry. We get that. True Christians convert other people by actions - showing the world what a selfless, loving creed it is. I know maybe two true Christians. All the rest just wanna be part of a gang.

That's a sad state of affairs to think that so many call themselves Christians, yet there are so few to really be seen. I've met perhaps two, and I grew up "amoung" them, sad really.

And they're probably not smart enough to use condoms.

*stifles a snerk, a snort and a guffaw*

 

[fifty5]

But this isn't funny.

This legislation is ruining peoples' lives.

Leave it on the humor thread, hmm?

I'm not quite convinced. I'm definitely on your side, but laughing at this stupidity seems to me to be a good weapon.

Taking these people seriously doesn't seem to be working. Making them a laughing stock just might.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm not quite convinced. I'm definitely on your side, but laughing at this stupidity seems to me to be a good weapon.

Taking these people seriously doesn't seem to be working. Making them a laughing stock just might.

let's use both tactics.

Taking them seriously is what kept the votes as close as they were-- only a tiny percentage for the win. Merely laughing would have driven us to the wall with a far longer screw through our vitals. There are lawyers right now, being paid my dollars, and dollars raised by my efforts, taking these people extremely seriously.

Laughing and pointing is often good. But there's a big difference between "funny" and "satire," and let's not forget that. Our humor is fueled by one-hundred-percent grade-A rage.

Please to not be forgetting that, okay.

 

[Techomancer]

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[Stella_Omega]

Ya know, there's something to be said for humor as an empire breaker.

(Sorry this is a bit dated - but it's from my heydays)

Back in the day James Baker(PTL) and Jimmy Swaggart were titans that could not have been toppled by any aggressive means. To do so would have given them the power of martyrdom and only increased their appeal. Even their indiscretions did not end them. The end came when they became the butt of a million jokes.

Maybe WBC, YES on Prop 8, and their ilk need to be made fun of instead of serious action taken.

What end? Baker and Swaggart were instantly replaced with new titans of Xtian intolerance. The names changed, the hats stayed the same.

"instead of serious action????" Way to go; "Be happy little bunnies, and don't let those meanies get you down." Yeah, I can see where that would be an effective weapon against the LDS and Howard F. Ahmanson Jr. Capering with my cap and bells in the path of the fundy juggernaut... nope, not going there.

Maybe we need both-- serious action and humor. Maybe someone has already said this. Maybe you missed that part.

 

[Techomancer]

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[Stella_Omega]

It ended Baker and Swaggart and damaged the reputation of televangelism better than any other action to date.

Some actual law practice made a difference as well. just saying.

South Park probably did more damage to the Mormons and Scientology than all the protests against them by a large margin. With nothing more than humor and satire.

South Park didn't stop them from orchestrating an attack on basic human rights.

I never suggested to "Be happy little bunnies, and don't let those meanies get you down." - I suggested a different tactic. People don't follow buffoons - show them as such and their power base will erode.

A comedian isn't someone who says funny things. A comedian is someone who says serious things in a comical way.

Okay, that's fine. I'm still going to pull out the lawyers, guns and money. I'm thinking comedy alone isn't going to be enough.

So like the extremists you launch at me - assuming that I'm an idiot and HOW DARE YOU attitude and look down your nose at me for suggesting something that doesn't match your doctrine. Gee, I wonder where you picked that up from?

You are suffering from the "tone" malady. You think this minority ought to be grateful to you for your advice, and eager to agree with you because you're on our side.
I certainly appreciate that you are on our side, don't get me wrong. But-- it's OUR side, that you're on. We are not beholden to you because you've taken up the battle for us-- you haven't. It's still OUR battle. The LGBT community are the people who have the very real ramifications of winning and losing, not you.

And, unless we hear you swear that you will dissolve your hetero marriage if gay marriages are dissolved by force-- you don't get to lecture about "doctrine," or complain about an embattled group acting like "extremists." You just don't have as much at risk. This is not your fault, and it doesn't make you any less sincere-- it's just the plain truth.

Yanno what I'm saying?

If I have to turn into the thing I'm fighting to win - let me get my hat with the bells on it. I'd rather go out a jester.

If a lesbian woman turns into the "thing I'm fighting to win" she will be one half of a happily married couple.

And you still haven't realised that I said "let's use both tactics. " before you ever took up the cudgel. It's not that you suggested anything that didn't match my doctrine, it's that you aren't listening real well.

 

[Techomancer]

You are right Stella. I really had no right to try and interfere with your cause. Please accept a full retraction of my comments and my sincere apology for not understanding. I will stand to the side and quietly watch from now on.

Please continue.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Damn I wish more people got the point that fast!

I was already revved up for at least 24 hours of further defensiveness-- now what do I do with my energy?

 

[cloudy]

Damn I wish more people got the point that fast!

I was already revved up for at least 24 hours of further defensiveness-- now what do I do with my energy?

I got your cure right here.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Excerpt of an email I received from Equality California.
Quote:

Yesterday, the leadership of Yes on Prop 8 filed a lawsuit in federal court to void a voter-passed proposition that requires the disclosure of information for people who donate more than $100 to a campaign. They claim their donors have been victimized for bankrolling the ban on marriage for LGBT couples.

Their hypocrisy is shocking.

This is the same "leadership" that sent menacing letters to Equality California donors and corporate sponsors, threatening to "expose" them if they did not make a similar donation to the Yes on 8 campaign.

This is the same "leadership" that filed briefs in the California Supreme Court that argue that the voter-passed proposition cannot--and should not--be overturned by a court.

For decades LGBT activists have stood proud, risking their jobs and safety for fighting intolerance. We've never asked for anything less than equality and now they want special rights.
WTF is the matter with those people! Is there no end to their hypocrisy?

I think you have a factual error here. The reporting minimum is $1,000, not $100.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/prd/campaign_...mc_campaign_and_registration_requirements.htm

That sounds a little more reasonable. $100 is not such a large amount, and a person could make that donation as a gesture. However, anybody who donates as much as $1,000 should maybe be willing to put his mouth where his money is.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I got your cure right here.

Here, you handle the paddle-- and then I'll handle you.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I think you have a factual error here. The reporting minimum is $1,000, not $100.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/prd/campaign_...mc_campaign_and_registration_requirements.htm

That sounds a little more reasonable. $100 is not such a large amount, and a person could make that donation as a gesture. However, anybody who donates as much as $1,000 should maybe be willing to put his mouth where his money is.

Box, I don't care if it's $1, $100, $1,000 or $1,000,000, the POINT is that they are a bunch of hypocritical mother fuckers who believe that if THEY do it it's "okay," but if anyone else does it then it is an "abomination".

What needs to happen is that the "middle of the roaders" or even some of the "right of middle" crowd needs to call them on their shit. Once that happens, I think a much more critical eye will be placed on the REST of their lies and mistruths.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

I think you have a factual error here. The reporting minimum is $1,000, not $100.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/prd/campaign_...mc_campaign_and_registration_requirements.htm

That sounds a little more reasonable. $100 is not such a large amount, and a person could make that donation as a gesture. However, anybody who donates as much as $1,000 should maybe be willing to put his mouth where his money is.

Personally, I don't care how much it is. If I found out a business I usually patronized donated a penny to this cause, I would not continue to support them.