New CBO Report: 2022 still 30 million Americans uninsured

[fuckwaffle]

A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says that under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, 30 million non-elderly Americans will remain without health insurance in 2022.

One of the main arguments the Obama administration made for passing the Affordable Care Act was that it would provide coverage for the uninsured.

News Article here.

Report hear.

 

[mercury14]

A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says that under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, 30 million non-elderly Americans will remain without health insurance in 2022.

One of the main arguments the Obama administration made for passing the Affordable Care Act was that it would provide coverage for the uninsured.

News Article here.

Report hear.

The report says it's because some states will refuse to expand their medicaid programs to cover more working poor. Even though the federal government is paying for it. Blame dumbass Republican governors such as Rick Perry, not Obama.

That being said, Obamacare just got a hell of a lot cheaper.

 

[fuckwaffle]

The report says it's because some states will refuse to expand their medicaid programs to cover more working poor. Even though the federal government is paying for it. Blame dumbass Republican governors such as Rick Perry, not Obama.

That being said, Obamacare just got a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sure blame everyone but him if it makes you feel better.

 

[mercury14]

Sure blame everyone but him if it makes you feel better.

Correct, Obama should not be blamed for this. If a group of Republican governors wants to fuck over their people - people with jobs - in order to save $0, then they should be squarely blamed. They're just inane ideological dingbats at this point. Obama has a fully-funded program begging to be utilized that will cover almost all of these people.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

merc loves him some unfunded mandates!

 

[mercury14]

merc loves him some unfunded mandates!

Except it's a funded mandate.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Don't you know fuckwaffle that Obama is never to be blamed.

Always blame Republicans, NO MATTER WHAT!

Obama did not waive the welfare work provision, he only gave Republican governors more flexibility to be mean to people!

 

[mercury14]

Don't you know fuckwaffle that Obama is never to be blamed.

Always blame Republicans, NO MATTER WHAT!

Obama did not waive the welfare work provision, he only gave Republican governors more flexibility to be mean to people!

Republican governors have a health coverage crisis.
Obama offers them free money to help
Republican governors turn down the money and then say "well it's your problem now Obama!"


This makes sense to you.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Except it's a funded mandate.

No it's not. It was promised to be such and you had your usual mad-lib fill-in-the-assumption studies to prove it, but studies since have reported that it is a black hole of spending...

Based on numbers that were actually, finally coming in.

Of course, there are still a lot of assumptions, but it is easy to see that people will pay the fine, demand the insurance when they are sick and then drop it as soon as they are well...

Human Action and self-interest.

The only people who care about the whole are moral busybodies...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Republican governors have a health coverage crisis.
Obama offers them free money to help
Republican governors turn down the money and then say "well it's your problem now Obama!"


This makes sense to you.

"Free Money?"

Talk about your general liberal fallacies...

 

[mercury14]

"Free Money?"

Talk about your general liberal fallacies...

Yes from Texas' perspective it's "free". The federal government is offering to pay for 100% of their medicaid expansion, tapering down to 90% by 2022. What you two are saying is that Republican governors can block part of Obamacare - and then blame Obama for it not covering those people they're blocking coverage for.

Your position is completely incoherent.

 

[mercury14]

That being said, over time I think it's going to be difficult for states to give up that many billions in federal funding. I think there's a lot of clamoring now but we'll see states quietly start accepting part or all of the money.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

 

[fuckwaffle]

Yes from Texas' perspective it's "free". The federal government is offering to pay for 100% of their medicaid expansion, tapering down to 90% by 2022. What you two are saying is that Republican governors can block part of Obamacare - and then blame Obama for it not covering those people they're blocking coverage for.

Your position is completely incoherent.

Money from the government is not FREE. It never has been and it never will be.

 

[mercury14]

Money from the government is not FREE. It never has been and it never will be.

Of course it comes from somewhere. And Obamacare is funded right there in black and white no matter what ignorance AJ puts on this thread. The Wikipedia page for the ACA was pretty accurate on this topic last I checked in case you're interested in learnin' yourself on the matter.

 

[fuckwaffle]

Of course it comes from somewhere. And Obamacare is funded right there in black and white no matter what ignorance AJ puts on this thread. The Wikipedia page for the ACA was pretty accurate on this topic last I checked in case you're interested in learnin' yourself on the matter.

Now think real hard...where does government get it's money?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Money from the government is not FREE. It never has been and it never will be.

Better yet.

What government plan has ever cost us anywhere near the original estimates used to sell us on the idea?

Once they get to tweaking the regulations and rules to favor their voters, the cost will skyrocket and that will be blamed on Republicans, passed on to the "rich" and re-distributed to the already cash-strapped Middle-Class to pay for...

But, but, but fuckwaffle, A_J, it's FREE money!

Republicans will take the free money.

They won't turn it down.

They should just pay.

Hypocrites!



A_J's corollary #5, “When lacking reason and sound argument, the New Age Liberal charges headlong into ‘debate’ with emotional cries of Hypocrisy. The New Age Liberal is, of course, immune to and incapable of Hypocrisy. That would require hard and fast standards.”

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Now think real hard...where does government get it's money?

Well, Du-u-uh!

The Fed.

You r-wingers don't know the first thing about how a modern economy runs!

China and Japan invest in our debt!



It's like sushi...

... or dog.

 

[fuckwaffle]

So let's see...

In 2009....

Obama promised it would only cost $787 billion dollars over ten years.

In 2012....

CBO report states the cost of the plan will now be $1.168 trillion dollars.


That's a $400 billion dollar increase over HIS promise.

Or am I taking this out of context?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So let's see...

In 2009....

Obama promised it would only cost $787 billion dollars over ten years.

In 2012....

CBO report states the cost of the plan will now be $1.168 trillion dollars.


That's a $400 billion dollar increase over HIS promise.

Or am I taking this out of context?

Maybe they just took out the double-counted $500 billion...

GIGO (not to be confused with GODOT, but it sure as hell reads like it)

 

[mercury14]

So let's see...

In 2009....

Obama promised it would only cost $787 billion dollars over ten years.

In 2012....

CBO report states the cost of the plan will now be $1.168 trillion dollars.


That's a $400 billion dollar increase over HIS promise.

Or am I taking this out of context?

And the CBO (your very own source) still says the program is going to take in more than it pays out. And that was before this report where it says states are going to spend $100 billion less of its money.

 

[fuckwaffle]

And the CBO (your very own source) still says the program is going to take in more than it pays out. And that was before this report where it says states are going to spend $100 billion less of its money.

Well the poor dope just doesn't get it...and that's all in context.

 

[mercury14]

Now think real hard...where does government get it's money?

In this case it gets its money from multiple sources.

Summary of tax increases: (ten year projection)

Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion
Charge an annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion
Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance annual premiums in excess of $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family: $32 billion
Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion
Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices:$20 billion
Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion
Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion
All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion

Summary of spending offsets: (ten year projection)

Reduce funding for Medicare Advantage policies: $132 billion
Reduce Medicare home health care payments: $40 billion
Reduce certain Medicare hospital payments: $22 billion

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And the CBO (your very own source) still says the program is going to take in more than it pays out. And that was before this report where it says states are going to spend $100 billion less of its money.

But, did the CBO have to revise, and will it have to revise again, and again, and again?

Why do we always have to have this conversation.

No government program ever fulfills its promise, therefore it always needs to be expanded and tweaked and the cost always goes up and up and up and away like a beautiful, a beautiful balloon!

Neun und neunzig luftballoons...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And with all those tax increases, you know it's going to make the economy balloon!



:nods:

Remember, passage of the bill was going to grow our economy much better than any "Republican" economy where the sick were just left to die in the streets!

Well, when everyone's healthy, why we ought to enjoy, 4, 5, even 6% annual GDP growth!

You wait!

In 2016, why in 2016, even you rw's will be demanding another term for Obama!

Ohhhhhhhh, somewhere over the rainbow, balloons fly...