Needles/Play Piercing

[SweetErika]

I've watched some scenes, gotten some advice from a few experienced PYLs and done some other research on this topic. I'd still like to hear advice from this community, however.

General tips from your experiences would be great, but I'm also interested in more specifics like:

- If you buy your needles and other supplies online (or in the Greater Seattle area), where do you get them, or what sites have you had good experiences with in the past?

- What do you like for disinfecting the skin? Do you use rubbing alcohol, or have you found other products to work better for you?

- What gauge(s) and length(s) of needles do you prefer? I'm looking for things that are good for beginners/easier to work with and versatile.

- What are your favorite areas to pierce? Do you recommend some areas over others for needle novices? (Note: in our case, the bottom is a male.)

 

[Chris_Strain]

Painfulpleasures has a decent selection of play needles and they are cheap enough that you can experiment to see what.

Alcohol or iodine prep wipes are great if you need to pack a kit to take along, although a bottle or rubbing alcohol or diluted iodine works just as well.. it's just a little messier.

For the first few times it might be best to go with something in the 25ga - 3/4" range.

As far as locations to pierce.... chest and upper back are a personal favorite and pretty forgiving to minor mistakes when you first get started.

 

[Homburg]

I've all but run out of needles, and need to source some more, but the ones I was using were ones a friend picked up from a farm supply store. They're good quality, and sterile, but perhaps not as sharp or fine as needles intended for humans. I'm not too fussed about this, as, well, it's supposed to hurt.

Size-wise, it depends on what you are trying to do, and on your bottom. Some people are more bothered by needles than others, and need a finer gauge. I have been using 22-24 with good effect on both myself (learn on yourself, that's my general rule of thumb) and on a couple of very trusted bottoms (I won't do bloodplay of any sort on someone I do not trust implicitly).

Length depends on what you are doing. If you are going straight into the skin with vertical placements, shorter needles are probably okay. If you plan to do shallow piercings where the tip of the needle exits the skin (which I find overall a better choice for my style of play), then longer needles work better. 1" is about the shortest that I like to use.

All that said, I am NOT a needle play guru. I was taught by a nurse, and got good instruction, but I have only done it a few times since. It's not the most complex thing in the world so long as you understand anatomy, but it can be a risk.

As to sanitary concerns, wear gloves (or just clean your hands freakishly well if you are already fluid-bonded), clean the area with your antiseptic of choice (strong denatured alcohol works), and use sterile needles. I was taught to give the needle a run through some triple anti-biotic ointment before it goes in the skin, both to give an extra measure of microbe fighting power, and to lubricate the needle, making the penetration easier. It has worked for me, and I've not caused an infection yet.

As to places that you can pierce, well, I'm not the expert. I tend to play on the back and the skin over the pectorals, away from major blood vessels and nerves.

My advice is to get some training if possible. Sources are medical professionals, piercers, etc.

 

[catalina_francisco]

IOE over the years, we have found it easiest to order needles online from medical supply companies, and in bulk...this way they are super cheap, individually packaged and sealed, available in a wide range of lengths and guages, and usually delivered quickly. Some use vet suppiers...I think I read somewhere eons ago that the only difference between vet and human use needles was the coloured ends which some prefer for creating a pattern with their piercing...or just like the pretty colours. We also order rubbing alcohol from the same place which is delivered with the needles and works fine. As to areas preferred for piercing, it depends on those involved I think. Some people prefer to start off with trying out skin on thighs or upper arms until confidence grows, some begin with breasts and genitals. Main thing to remember is to use in a clean environment, dispose of the needles properly and don't use the same needles on 2 different people, and preferrably make them single use even on the same person to minimise risk of infections etc.

Catalina

 

[SweetErika]

Great tips so far! You three have definitely brought up some new things for me to consider.

I have been using 22-24 with good effect on both myself (learn on yourself, that's my general rule of thumb) and on a couple of very trusted bottoms (I won't do bloodplay of any sort on someone I do not trust implicitly).

Hubby and I are definitely fluid bonded and have the implicit trust thing going on.

I like to try things on myself, but I may not have that luxury with this particular type of play. I have a very strong fear of hypodermics - my anxiety level is skyrocketing just vaguely imagining trying it myself. I *might* be able to do 1-3 on myself, but I'm unlikely to actually learn on myself.

I'm not too concerned about sitting this one out, since I tend to be overcautious and trying it won't give me any kind of idea of what my guy will feel (we have exceedingly different pain thresholds/tolerances).

I was taught to give the needle a run through some triple anti-biotic ointment before it goes in the skin, both to give an extra measure of microbe fighting power, and to lubricate the needle, making the penetration easier. It has worked for me, and I've not caused an infection yet.

That seems like a really good idea! I'll be super careful about cleanliness, but Hubby also has an amazing immune system, so I'm pretty confident in our ability to keep him infection-free. Still, the cautious me loves the neosporin idea.


Now that I have some ideas on where to start, have any of you done nipples and/or genitals (I'm thinking just through the skin, very superficial)? These aren't things I'm going to try as a needlen00b, but I'm interested in hearing experiences all the same.

 

[BiBunny]

I've never done needleplay on anyone but myself, but I've had it done on me a few times. I'd like some more formal instruction before I go poking things into someone other than me!

You might shoot nh23 a PM. She's a nurse, and she's the one who did the needles with me each time I've had them done. She also taught Homburg how to do them.

I've always used 22-24 gauge needles made for giving animals injections. I prefer the longer ones (1" and up). Some folks like the larger gauge needles, but I figure if I'm going to have larger gauge needles poked in me, I may as well have a barbell stuck in there, too....Anyway, Cat's right about needles for people and needles for animals being the same, except for the colored ends on the ones for animals. I get mine at Tractor Supply (TSC). I always have to have some on hand for my horses, in case I need to give them injections, so I just grab some extras for myself. I think a bag of 50 or so is less than $10.

ETA: I've done some needles on myself on my breasts and areolas, but not actually through my nipples. I've had my nipples actually pierced twice, and the jewelry was rejected both times, leaving me with deformed-looking nipples. Because I'm a vain whore, I don't want to make them look any worse than they do already, so I'm waiting for the next time I get together with Miss NH to get the proper technique down. But, yeah, I just pinch a bit of skin up on my breasts and poke the needle through. Very shallow, straight through the skin. I imagine it'd work the same way on genitals, but I've never been able to get a good enough angle to try that on myself.

 

[Homburg]

Hubby and I are definitely fluid bonded and have the implicit trust thing going on.

I figured as much. I just wanted to make sure that my advice was broad in case others were reading it as well.

I like to try things on myself, but I may not have that luxury with this particular type of play. I have a very strong fear of hypodermics - my anxiety level is skyrocketing just vaguely imagining trying it myself. I *might* be able to do 1-3 on myself, but I'm unlikely to actually learn on myself.

I'm not too concerned about sitting this one out, since I tend to be overcautious and trying it won't give me any kind of idea of what my guy will feel (we have exceedingly different pain thresholds/tolerances).

In my case, I wanted to feel it before viv did because she is rather needle-phobic, and I figured that seeing me being willing to undergo it first would help her take it more easily. I've only done a few practice sticks on myself, I have just found it useful to get those few extra sticks in to get that feel for how skin reacts. That said, differents folks have different resistance to these things.

That seems like a really good idea! I'll be super careful about cleanliness, but Hubby also has an amazing immune system, so I'm pretty confident in our ability to keep him infection-free. Still, the cautious me loves the neosporin idea.

I'm the same way. I get cuts, scrapes, etc and don't bother to clean them or use band-aids (unless I need to stop the bleeding). Heh, last summer I was out trail-riding, and just couldn't stay ont he bike. Fractured a bone in my forearms, innumerable cuts and contusions, and ripped a huge swatch of sin off the underside of the forearm that I broke. Got all of this dirty and muddy as hell in the process. Went home, took and shower, and ignored them otherwise. Zero infections.

That said, I still used the triple anti-biotic ointment on myself if only for the lubricating properties. It's a good idea all around.

Now that I have some ideas on where to start, have any of you done nipples and/or genitals (I'm thinking just through the skin, very superficial)? These aren't things I'm going to try as a needlen00b, but I'm interested in hearing experiences all the same.

Nipples, yes, genitals, no. I plan too, but just haven't done it yet. A few months ago, I did a very pretty cross-piercing of viv's nipples. It was lovely, and quite the, ahem, intense feeling for her.

And, yeah, as Bunny said, nh23 was the person that taught me. She's good people.

 

[Bandit58]

This doesn't come under the heading of needle play, but the sterile techniques we were taught could be used for that

I have to insert cannulas into Sir's forearm for dialysis 3 times a week. He uses anaesthetic patches to numb the area, and cleans the gel off with alcohol swabs - two to each area, one wipe using front and then back of swab. After I've removed the scabs with a blunt needle, I wipe over again with another swab before I insert each cannula. We would probably use at least six possibly eight swabs each time. Too many is better than not enough We get all our supplies from the dialysis centre delivered every 3 months. I wear gloves at all times when I may come in contact with blood, even though we are fluid bonded.

We had a home visit yesterday and were told we would probably be getting some different swabs (I think chlorhexidine) because some people were allergic to the alcohol. Sir has had no problems so far and I think if he was going to he would have by now! No infections so far *touch wood* and he does have a compromised immune system as well.

 

[SweetErika]

I'm thinking about ordering from this place and figured some of you might appreciate the link as well. The smallest they have is 23g, but I'm thinking that'll be okay, especially since Hubby isn't fazed by needles at all and is pretty damn tolerant of pain.

I did a good bit of shopping around, and at $9 for 100 needles AND free shipping, it doesn't look like I can do any better, even w/ vet needles. The alcohol wipes are a pretty good deal, too.

My only question is, should I go for the 1" or 1.5" needles?

 

[VelvetDarkness]

clean the area with your antiseptic of choice (strong denatured alcohol works), and use sterile needles. I was taught to give the needle a run through some triple anti-biotic ointment before it goes in the skin, both to give an extra measure of microbe fighting power, and to lubricate the needle, making the penetration easier. It has worked for me, and I've not caused an infection yet.

This is good advice. I would also recommend cleansing the area after play and putting some Germolene or a similar ointment and a dressing on, just for half an hour or so until the puncture wounds have sealed properly.

Needles are cheap enough to always be single use and you'll also need to consider disposing of them properly. You should get a sealable, disposable sharps box which can be purchased from acupuncture supplies websites as well as medical supply sites. In the UK, these boxes can be handed in to GP surgeries for disposal. If you throw them in an unmarked container in the trash, you may have a disgruntled waste collector and a lawsuit on your hands.

 

[Homburg]

I'm thinking about ordering from this place and figured some of you might appreciate the link as well. The smallest they have is 23g, but I'm thinking that'll be okay, especially since Hubby isn't fazed by needles at all and is pretty damn tolerant of pain.

I did a good bit of shopping around, and at $9 for 100 needles AND free shipping, it doesn't look like I can do any better, even w/ vet needles. The alcohol wipes are a pretty good deal, too.

My only question is, should I go for the 1" or 1.5" needles?

That looks like a heckuva deal. Good find. Do they ship without a prescription? I've heard that soem medical sites won't ship sharps without some sort documentation of medical need.

As to length, it is personal preference. For me, the next time I order I plan to go 1.5" (or a mix of 1" and 1.5") as the 1" sticks worked, but a bit more length would have been handy.

And, honestly, I could not tell a difference in feel between 22 and 23 gauge. 28ga I don't even feel at all though, so maybe I'm not a good judge of differences *shrug*

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This is good advice. I would also recommend cleansing the area after play and putting some Germolene or a similar ointment and a dressing on, just for half an hour or so until the puncture wounds have sealed properly.

Needles are cheap enough to always be single use and you'll also need to consider disposing of them properly. You should get a sealable, disposable sharps box which can be purchased from acupuncture supplies websites as well as medical supply sites. In the UK, these boxes can be handed in to GP surgeries for disposal. If you throw them in an unmarked container in the trash, you may have a disgruntled waste collector and a lawsuit on your hands.

The last two times I did it I disposed of my sharps in a less than optimal way. If you find yourself in such a situation, a one liter soda bottle seriously wrapped in duct tape seems to prevent issues.

VelvetDarkness' suggestion is FAR better though.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

The last two times I did it I disposed of my sharps in a less than optimal way. If you find yourself in such a situation, a one liter soda bottle seriously wrapped in duct tape seems to prevent issues.

Very dicey. Contaminated sharps are legally classed as clinical waste, a biohazard. If some guy who works for domestic waste disposal stumbles across illegally dumped needles, he'll naturally assume they were the property of a drug addict or somebody acting illegally, which would be incredibly distressing, from an infection risk POV. He would have to undergo blood tests and retake a HIV test after 3 months, which would be a terrible worry. If the person who dumped the needles could be traced, they could easily be charged with irresponsible dumping and sued for personal damages for any waste disposal worker who might have come into contact with them.

Not worth it hon. Get yourself a little yellow tub and hand it in for clinical waste processing.

 

[SweetErika]

That looks like a heckuva deal. Good find. Do they ship without a prescription? I've heard that soem medical sites won't ship sharps without some sort documentation of medical need.

As to length, it is personal preference. For me, the next time I order I plan to go 1.5" (or a mix of 1" and 1.5") as the 1" sticks worked, but a bit more length would have been handy.

And, honestly, I could not tell a difference in feel between 22 and 23 gauge. 28ga I don't even feel at all though, so maybe I'm not a good judge of differences *shrug*

Yes, it looks like no prescription is necessary. I've seen several of the sites that require either a prescription or a medical license, and this one doesn't have any of those warnings, at least for the hypodermics (some of the diabetic supplies are different, depending on your state, and insulin requires an Rx, of course).

Maybe I'll go for the 1.5" then. That length strikes me as easier, even if it's not as versatile.

 

[buxxxom]

Many online places that sell sharps also sell sharps containers with postage paid shipping boxes, so that you can ship your full container back to them for proper disposal. In NC, medical waste generated by a household doesn't have to comply with the same standards a veterinarian's office, physician's office, or mortuary does. All that's required is for them to be in a hard-walled sealable container. However, for peace of mind, my next purchase of a sharps container will be one with the return option in place. Becton-Dickenson is one place that comes to mind for that. This service is also offered online through many of the nationally known pharmacy chains, including Target. For the purchase of the needles themselves, either tractor supply (local) or Kinky Medical (online) are who I use, and a 22ga 1.5 in needle is a good all around needle to use. YMMV, of course.

 

[SweetErika]

Many online places that sell sharps also sell sharps containers with postage paid shipping boxes, so that you can ship your full container back to them for proper disposal. In NC, medical waste generated by a household doesn't have to comply with the same standards a veterinarian's office, physician's office, or mortuary does. All that's required is for them to be in a hard-walled sealable container. However, for peace of mind, my next purchase of a sharps container will be one with the return option in place. Becton-Dickenson is one place that comes to mind for that. This service is also offered online through many of the nationally known pharmacy chains, including Target. For the purchase of the needles themselves, either tractor supply (local) or Kinky Medical (online) are who I use, and a 22ga 1.5 in needle is a good all around needle to use. YMMV, of course.

Interesting info.

After reading this, I looked up my local sharps disposal regs, and was surprised to find they want me to put the needles in a 2-liter soda bottle, seal the cap with tape, label it with “SHARPS, DO NOT RECYCLE," and throw it in the regular garbage.

I went to the Kinky Medical site first (also because they're local), but the shipping charges are very high for needles ($8.50 for all orders) AND the prices are higher than most other sites, so I think I'm better off with the site I linked to. Maybe I'll give them a call and see if they'll let me pick up orders, because they do have some stuff that's not so widely available.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

... I imagine it'd work the same way on genitals, but I've never been able to get a good enough angle to try that on myself.

I just did a hands on needle workshop at LaFortress in Greensboro, NC this past Saturday (09/27/2008).

I'd be happy to assist you in your quest for genital piercing...

 

[Evil_Geoff]

I've watched some scenes, gotten some advice from a few experienced PYLs and done some other research on this topic. I'd still like to hear advice from this community, however.

General tips from your experiences would be great, but I'm also interested in more specifics like:

- If you buy your needles and other supplies online (or in the Greater Seattle area), where do you get them, or what sites have you had good experiences with in the past?

- What do you like for disinfecting the skin? Do you use rubbing alcohol, or have you found other products to work better for you?

- What gauge(s) and length(s) of needles do you prefer? I'm looking for things that are good for beginners/easier to work with and versatile.

- What are your favorite areas to pierce? Do you recommend some areas over others for needle novices? (Note: in our case, the bottom is a male.)

As I just posted, I did a hands-on workshop for needleplay this past Saturday, 09/27/2008.

As a general rule I like 22 gauge 1-1/2" long needles for general needle play. I'll do backs, shoulders, upper arms, forearms, thighs, breasts etc.

I've posted some of my needle play pics here before...

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=749729&d=1175999171
http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=729315&d=1170913767

I'll have to edit and resize some more before I can post them here.

 

[Homburg]

Very dicey. Contaminated sharps are legally classed as clinical waste, a biohazard. If some guy who works for domestic waste disposal stumbles across illegally dumped needles, he'll naturally assume they were the property of a drug addict or somebody acting illegally, which would be incredibly distressing, from an infection risk POV. He would have to undergo blood tests and retake a HIV test after 3 months, which would be a terrible worry. If the person who dumped the needles could be traced, they could easily be charged with irresponsible dumping and sued for personal damages for any waste disposal worker who might have come into contact with them.

Not worth it hon. Get yourself a little yellow tub and hand it in for clinical waste processing.

Interesting info.

After reading this, I looked up my local sharps disposal regs, and was surprised to find they want me to put the needles in a 2-liter soda bottle, seal the cap with tape, label it with “SHARPS, DO NOT RECYCLE," and throw it in the regular garbage.

SweetErika covers why I mentioned that technique. As an aside, the sharps I used were vet sharps. They come in individual har dplastic tubes sealed with tape. When I put the sharps in the container, they were first put back in their tubes and sealed. So they were actually more protected than they were when I got them.

I still agree that a Sharps container is best practices, but the method mentioned is acceptable practice at least in the places I play.

 

[Netzach]

As I just posted, I did a hands-on workshop for needleplay this past Saturday, 09/27/2008.

As a general rule I like 22 gauge 1-1/2" long needles for general needle play. I'll do backs, shoulders, upper arms, forearms, thighs, breasts etc.

I've posted some of my needle play pics here before...

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=749729&d=1175999171
http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=729315&d=1170913767

I'll have to edit and resize some more before I can post them here.

I like 22's also. 18's are pretty damn challenging, though a lot of bottoms I play with love them, I'd say the mainstream doesn't. 22's feel like they're there, and you can do some thread stuff with them. I like the 1.5's also, 1 inches are short.

I use kv vet, but you seem to have found better pricing.

 

[vix419]

Does this stuff look safe?

 

[SweetErika]

An update for needle-seekers:

I went ahead and ordered a box of the 22ga from Healthwarehouse.com. They came from the East Coast and arrived via USPS about five days after I placed my order - pretty good for that distance and free shipping.

We've done a little experimentation, and I'm definitely pleased with the versatility of the 1.5" length.

I'm still learning, but I'll definitely order from Healthwarehouse again.

 

[nh23]

I've watched some scenes, gotten some advice from a few experienced PYLs and done some other research on this topic. I'd still like to hear advice from this community, however.

General tips from your experiences would be great, but I'm also interested in more specifics like:

- If you buy your needles and other supplies online (or in the Greater Seattle area), where do you get them, or what sites have you had good experiences with in the past?

I can't believe I totally missed this thread. Not much time online here lately. Anyway, I get my needles from Tractor Supply. They are relatively cheap and easy to get, I'm kind of impatient and hate to wait for an online order to come in, so instant gratification..lol They work really well, they aren't as sharp as medical grade, but I've never had a problem with them.

- What do you like for disinfecting the skin? Do you use rubbing alcohol, or have you found other products to work better for you?

I use rubbing alcohol over the area right before I stick the needle in. I also was taught to run the needle through ATB ointment before piercing the skin. It provides lubricant, and helps prevent infection. It goes a lot smoother if the needle is lubricated, otherwise it can drag and that is a very uncomfortable feeling.

- What gauge(s) and length(s) of needles do you prefer? I'm looking for things that are good for beginners/easier to work with and versatile.

It's really a matter of preference. 20- 22 gauge needles is what I prefer to use. I usually get 1/2 inch to 1 inch, but I actually prefer the 1 inch. Gives me a bit more to work with. It also depends on the size of your partner and what you are piercing. With a bigger person with more body fat, you'll probably need the one inch. That way it's not digging into their skin after it's in place.

- What are your favorite areas to pierce? Do you recommend some areas over others for needle novices? (Note: in our case, the bottom is a male.)

I like to do backs. I have a few pics around here from the corset I did on BiBunny's back, and Homburg has some somewhere from the corset on v. I've also done nipples, arms, legs, tummy's. You can pretty much pierce anywhere. I myself wouldn't go anywhere near the clitoris if the bottom is female,just too risky, but the labia are ok. As far as the penis and testicles go I would just avoid deep piercings. When doing nipples I prefer to go back further on the nipple. It seems to be more enjoyable for the bottom, and less risk of it pulling out than if the tip is pierced. I always take time to inspect the person's body. Feeling around on whatever area I'm going to pierce for lumps ,bumps, looking for prominent veins etc.

I tend to go pretty deep on the back, so that once the needles are in they can be twisted around for some extra pain, if the bottom prefers it. Go more shallow on tummy's, and genitals. Arms and legs you can go pretty deep also. Although I wouldn't recommend piercing extremely deep, it's still a good idea to have a good idea of basic anatomy, to know where organs and major arteries, and veins are.

Hope this helps, I know it's a bit late..lol

so I'm waiting for the next time I get together with Miss NH to get the proper technique down.

Please say it will be soon!! I miss you guys like mad!

And, yeah, as Bunny said, nh23 was the person that taught me. She's good people.

*blushes*