Need some help!!!!

[Luna_Wolf72]

I am working on a story idea (brought about by conversations between another person from Lit and myself). The basics: Two females: one butch with a sadistic streak. The other femme. I KNOW that this is going to be non-consent to a point and I also know how I want it to end.

The problem is two fold..I need a decent back ground story idea to explain just why the butch character kidnaps the other. I am stuck on that point as I can not get my mind to wrap around that kind of animosity or the pain that would cause such an extreme reaction.

*The two characters were involved in the past (this I do know) but how to get them from lovers to antagonists is beyond me.*

Then there is the second problem: I need some good settings for a plausible rape/BDSM type scene. I have used so many differing places that i am running out of ideas. So..anyone wanna give me their thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance..
Pet

 

[snooper]

*The two characters were involved in the past (this I do know) but how to get them from lovers to antagonists is beyond me.*

Chuck in a stranger (snake-in-the-grass) who tries to seduce one of them. The other will be jealous. The first will be offended at her fidelity being doubted. Fur will fly and it will definitely end in tears.
To get them back together at the end chuck in another stranger who criticises both. They will gang up on her(him).

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

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Chuck in a stranger (snake-in-the-grass) who tries to seduce one of them. The other will be jealous. The first will be offended at her fidelity being doubted. Fur will fly and it will definitely end in tears.
To get them back together at the end chuck in another stranger who criticises both. They will gang up on her(him).

Thought about that..it could definately work. Just trying to decide if I should make the snake in the grass a guy or girl....

Thanks...

any ideas on the other question (a setting for a rape/Bdsm type scene)??

 

[snooper]

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... any ideas on the other question (a setting for a rape/Bdsm type scene)??

Well, I've never read one set on a steam-powered locomotive, with pain being applied by pressing parts of the victim against hot parts of the machinery, and the occasional burning piece of coal?

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

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Well, I've never read one set on a steam-powered locomotive, with pain being applied by pressing parts of the victim against hot parts of the machinery, and the occasional burning piece of coal?

Mayhap NOT the train BUT i could definately use the idea of coal or a wood stove...

hmm cabin in the mountains? Thanks..

 

[snooper]

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Mayhap NOT the train ...

Then I won't read it, so there, and yahboo to you.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Okay...mayhap I can work in a scene on a luxury train just for you....

 

[SweetErika]

Just thinking about this story excites the hell out of me! When will I be able to read it?

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Working on it right now, sweet...hpefully (without time constraints) I will be having it proof-read and edited by the beginning of next week...

 

[destinie21]

Okay here's my take on it I'd have the two women start out as lovers as you stated, enter a friend either to the butch or the femme it doesn't matter the other party thinks that the friend is more than that although that's not the case. Distrust spoils the bond the two women once shared and it ends with a fight physical or not you choose. Six months later they're both on a train headed to wherever you like. The butch hatches a quick plan fo revenge or prehaps it was premeditated again your choice. in any event she knows that kidnapping the woman on the train with so many other passangers is unlikely and hardly plausib;s so she waits unti the woman leaves the train and the station and then does the kidnapping. That is if you're going to use the train thing personally I'd rather see them in a foreign country because the butch could hold the woman captive by virtue of stripping her of any id and funds and then she'll literally have no chance for escape especially if the housing or what have you that they're in is secluded with no phone line or anything in fact no electrcity enter the wood burning stove... IDK if you can use any of this but I hope so

 

[SweetErika]

And make sure the kidnapper shows the captive the incredible pleasure she's been missing out on!

Ooooh...I'm going to have some very satisfying fantasies tonight!

 

[freeasair]

kidnapped and enjoying it?

please explore the emotions of the one kidnapped...like rape/non-consensual can a girl really enjoy? my "rape fantasies" dont involve real danger/unknown; they are always with someone whom i want to 'rape' me! oh dear. i am writing a story with someone at the moment where i am the victim putting up a fight and dont reckon i would have any other thought but self preservation...now if it was with someone i knew and fancied....and of course they do say victims develope the Stockholm syndrome and does that lead to willing surrender and if so at what point..after a day. a week, 25 minutes of heavy petting?
sorry to ramble but i am looking forward to story time! good luck and forget the train....unless the "whooo whooo" hides the fun noises from the carriage
tania

 

[SweetErika]

Re: kidnapped and enjoying it?

please explore the emotions of the one kidnapped...like rape/non-consensual can a girl really enjoy? my "rape fantasies" dont involve real danger/unknown; they are always with someone whom i want to 'rape' me! oh dear. i am writing a story with someone at the moment where i am the victim putting up a fight and dont reckon i would have any other thought but self preservation...now if it was with someone i knew and fancied....and of course they do say victims develope the Stockholm syndrome and does that lead to willing surrender and if so at what point..after a day. a week, 25 minutes of heavy petting?
tania

There is a definite difference between rape and reluctance. Rape victims don't enjoy rape (although sometimes their bodies respond to the stimulation). I suspect and hope your fantasies are about reluctance and submission, not rape, Tania. IMHO, it's important for everyone to make this distinction lest we perpetuate terrible myths and justifications for rape.

 

[freeasair]

Sweet Erika

i accept that correction....i dont want to perpetuate any dangerous fantasies on here..i accept that reluctance is a neat definition but a) can we move from one state to another and b)how do we signal this without isuing a statement through our lawyers?

let me state RAPE IS A CRIME and a NOT an erotic fantasy

 

[SweetErika]

We all know you're not a proponent of rape, Freeasair! Sorry if I was harsh...I just wanted to make the point for the less enlightened people who may read this thread.

I think a lot of the reluctance stories in the non-consent section are done well. The difference for me is when it's made clear that the "captive" (who may be reluctant or fight it at first) cognizantly enjoys it.

An example for Apet4you's story:
The woman is kidnapped by her former lover. She's genuinely scared of what might happen (will the kidnapper hurt her, etc?). The captor is angry and forces her to perform sexual favors, but the captive has fantasized about being submissive and/or secretly enjoys being forced to do this. Maybe the captive does something wrong and is punished (e.g. a spanking), and maybe it hurts, but she also responds to and enjoys this. The kidnapper shows her all of the pleasure she's been missing out on by tying her up and ravaging her, and the captive enjoys this. When the whole thing is over, the captive has actually had a very fulfilling experience.
In writing the story, you could add the captive's thoughts about how she still fantasizes about this experience. That would make it pretty clear that it isn't a rape. Some people add an author's note at the beginning to clarify and reinforce this point.

That's just my perspective...feel free to add or refute!

 

[snooper]

Okay...mayhap I can work in a scene on a luxury train just for you....

Thanks.

Sorry for the delay in thanking you but I was away for the last 24 hours.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Lovely, lovely ideas every one...

actually: the point of my story is simply the exploration of 2 women who have known one another in the past. The ending was bad enough that the butch hopes (in a very weird way) to correct it (the problem from thier shared history) by kidnapping and forcing the other to admit that she was wrong. The non-consent idea is merely because of the kidnapping and the eventual first scene between them.

Whether the femme gets off from the first scene or not, the implicit no makes that first scene a RAPE. There is no coersion involved..it is simply the butch taking revenge and then changing it to something else.

Rape is a touchy thing...I know it, everyone knows it and yet to some degree it is almost neccessary for it to happen the way I planned it. Otherwise, the ending seems too contrived.

The point is that I hope to write a story that will boil the blood of those who read it...first in anger and finally in lust. Whether or not I accomplish that remains to be seen.

See ya'll soon...

 

[Zanzibar]

Possible way for them to connect...

Months after the break up, the Butch woman is taking a drive on a sunday afternoon through the countryside, pretty secluded and happens to pass by someplace that was special to her and the femme woman when they were together.

She's floored when she see's the femme's car parked outside the lodge/cabin/etc. It gets worse when she see's another woman driving away in another car, obviously just leaving after a weekend of pleasure.

She turns her car around, drives back and confronts her former partner, one thing leads to another, and she kidnaps her (or forces her to stay there, moving her car around back in the shed/barn/????

They can stay there, or she takes her somewhere else.

JUst a few thoughts... good luck with your story!