Nc-17

[CharleyH]

Eh? On what planet is that?

This is a global community now, and the US is tha mayah globah playah superextraordinaire. In cultural influence none the least. There is a Coke machine in every other hut in the midst of the Serengeti. School kids in Dehli take sides with the characters in OC. More people recognize 50 Cent than the Pope.

Watcha mean, Charley?

I think it is losing its corner on culture. If not yet, be sure they will. Who is 50 cent?

give me a break about the Pope when more people in the "Western World" are Catholic than anything else.

 

[Slowlane]

It was the first NC-17 movie ever. And yes, it bombed at the box office. Unlike Showgirls, not for sucking.

I don’t know anything about the film but the critics seem to disagree with you. At least the NYT didn’t like it, and Rottentomatoes gives it a 55 out of 100 and IMDB gives it 6.3 out of 10.

 

[Liar]

give me a break about the Pope when more people in the "Western World" are Catholic than anything else.

They're Catholic. So? What's the common man's media interface to Benedictus compared to that of pop culture icons? What's the visual exposure frequency? What's the message repetition? Pretty damn marginal.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I don’t know anything about the film but the critics seem to disagree with you. At least the NYT didn’t like it, and Rottentomatoes gives it a 55 out of 100 and IMDB gives it 6.3 out of 10.

The same critics that thought that Titanic and Chicago were the 8th and 9th wonders of the world?

 

[CharleyH]

I don’t know anything about the film but the critics seem to disagree with you. At least the NYT didn’t like it, and Rottentomatoes gives it a 55 out of 100 and IMDB gives it 6.3 out of 10.

I have always detested Atom Egoyan from the time he started making films, over 10 years ago. That's not the point. PS. Isn't Rotton Tomato, NYT and IMBD all-American?

 

[Liar]

I don’t know anything about the film but the critics seem to disagree with you. At least the NYT didn’t like it, and Rottentomatoes gives it a 55 out of 100 and IMDB gives it 6.3 out of 10.

That's not sucking. That's being pretty ok, but not exactly the second coming. And, well, like Lauren pointed out it's a pretty narrow scope of reviwers you have there.

 

[Slowlane]

That's not sucking. That's being pretty ok, but not exactly the second coming. And, well, like Lauren pointed out it's a pretty narrow scope of reviwers you have there.

Those are the reviews that turned up during a search. I'm sure there were a few good reviews as well, but a search turned up those three first.

I'm just saying that those kinds of reviews from those kinds of places certainly didn't do the film any favors. It's flop can't be blamed totally on it's rating. And while it was flopping and Showgirls was flopping, Hollywood turned out thousands of other flops of all other ratings.

I’m not saying that being NC-17 does it any good, but no mater how it’s rated a bad film is a bad film.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I’m not saying that being NC-17 does it any good, but no mater how it’s rated a bad film is a bad film.

Are these 10 flops bad movies?

Zandalee, 1991, directed by Sam Pillsbury
Kika, 1993, directed by Pedro Almodóvar
Killing Zoe, 1993, directed by Roger Avary
Kids, 1995, directed by Larry Clark
Requiem for a Dream, 2000, directed by Darren Aronofsky
Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!, 1990, directed by Pedro Almodóvar
L.I.E., 2001, directed by Michael Cuesta
The Dreamers, 2003, directed by Bernardo Bertolucci
Young Adam, 2003, directed by David Mackenzie
Bad Education, 2004, directed by Pedro Almodóvar

 

[CharleyH]

I don’t know anything about the film but the critics seem to disagree with you. At least the NYT didn’t like it, and Rottentomatoes gives it a 55 out of 100 and IMDB gives it 6.3 out of 10.

Hm I am lost, I did not think we were discussing Showgirls?

 

[CharleyH]

Those are the reviews that turned up during a search. I'm sure there were a few good reviews as well, but a search turned up those three first.

I'm just saying that those kinds of reviews from those kinds of places certainly didn't do the film any favors. It's flop can't be blamed totally on it's rating. And while it was flopping and Showgirls was flopping, Hollywood turned out thousands of other flops of all other ratings.

I’m not saying that being NC-17 does it any good, but no mater how it’s rated a bad film is a bad film.

Showgirls was a Verhoevan? It was one of the more "interesting movies" that year. It would have been good if cast right. It was not good, but it was LESBIAN and there are so few lol!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CharleyH
give me a break about the Pope when more people in the "Western World" are Catholic than anything else.

They're Catholic. So? What's the common man's media interface to Benedictus compared to that of pop culture icons? What's the visual exposure frequency? What's the message repetition? Pretty damn marginal.

I think we are referring to people world-wide and not just the West. Even so, I believe that, shown a picture of the pope in full regalia and a pic of 50 cent on stage, doing whatever it is that he does, more people would recognize the pope. Admitedly, they would be recognizing the persona, rather than the individual.

I had seen the name "50 cent" but I knew nothing about him. After seeing his picture and reading his lyrics, I don't want to know any more about him. I think that "pop culture icon" is an exaggeration.

 

[cloudy]

I had seen the name "50 cent" but I knew nothing about him. After seeing his picture and reading his lyrics, I don't want to know any more about him. I think that "pop culture icon" is an exaggeration.

I disagree completely, Box. "Pop culture" refers, by definition, to the age of people who would recognize 50 cent in a heartbeat, but probably know diddlysquat about the pope.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I disagree completely, Box. "Pop culture" refers, by definition, to the age of people who would recognize 50 cent in a heartbeat, but probably know diddlysquat about the pope.

John Paul II was very likely one of the most recognizeable pop culture figures in the world. He even sold more music albums than 50c ever will.

 

[cloudy]

John Paul II was very likely one of the most recognizeable pop culture figures in the world. He even sold more music albums than 50c ever will.

John Paul II, yes, but hell, I don't even know the new guy's name, much less what he looks like.

 

[CharleyH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CharleyH
give me a break about the Pope when more people in the "Western World" are Catholic than anything else.




I think we are referring to people world-wide and not just the West. Even so, I believe that ... shown a picture of the pope in full regalia and a pic of 50 cent on stage, doing whatever it is that he does, more people would recognize the pope. Admittedly, they would be recognizing the persona, rather than the individual.

I had seen the name "50 cent" but I knew nothing about him. After seeing his picture and reading his lyrics, I don't want to know any more about him. I think that "pop culture icon" is an exaggeration.

I am not sure I asked about cultures I am not familiar with? I am very UP on 50cent, I was being sarcastic. But I get you. So the Pope is as much a persona as 50 cent, go figure.

PS. 50 Cent is no icon in pop culture ... and never will be. My 50 cents


We are talking western culture, specifically NC-17, no?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I disagree completely, Box. "Pop culture" refers, by definition, to the age of people who would recognize 50 cent in a heartbeat, but probably know diddlysquat about the pope.

"Pop" is an abbreviation for popular. As such, it would refer to everybody, or at least everybody in the US, or everybody in the Western Hemisphere, or whatever, but the entire population of wherever you mean. If you are going to place limits, why not make it all eyeglass wearers, or all left-handed people or all porn writers or all those over 65 or some other restriction. If you say "all those under ten years old, Ronald MacDonald would probably be the winner.

 

[CharleyH]

"Pop" is an abbreviation for popular. As such, it would refer to everybody, or at least everybody in the US, or everybody in the Western Hemisphere, or whatever, but the entire population of wherever you mean. If you are going to place limits, why not make it all eyeglass wearers, or all left-handed people or all porn writers or all those over 65 or some other restriction. If you say "all those under ten years old, Ronald MacDonald would probably be the winner.

What is your point?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I am not sure I asked about cultures I am not familiar with? I am very UP on 50cent, I was being sarcastic. But I get you. So the Pope is as much a persona as 50 cent, go figure.

PS. 50 Cent is no icon in pop culture ... and never will be. My 50 cents


We are talking western culture, specifically NC-17, no?

When Liar first compared the pope and 50 cent, he referred to The Serengeti and Delhi, whick I took to mean we were talking worldwide, not just The West.

 

[Boxlicker101]

What is your point?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cloudy
I disagree completely, Box. "Pop culture" refers, by definition, to the age of people who would recognize 50 cent in a heartbeat, but probably know diddlysquat about the pope.

I was disagreeing with what Cloudy had said when I said:

"Pop" is an abbreviation for popular. As such, it would refer to everybody, or at least everybody in the US, or everybody in the Western Hemisphere, or whatever, but the entire population of wherever you mean. If you are going to place limits, why not make it all eyeglass wearers, or all left-handed people or all porn writers or all those over 65 or some other restriction. If you say "all those under ten years old, Ronald MacDonald would probably be the winner.
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[Slowlane]

“Are these 10 flops bad movies?”

So. You are saying that those movies did badly not because of adult content, but because someone warned the public that they contained adult content?


Hm I am lost, I did not think we were discussing Showgirls?

Henry and June

 

[Liar]

John Paul II was very likely one of the most recognizeable pop culture figures in the world. He even sold more music albums than 50c ever will.

Yep. Because the guy was pope for, what was it, three decades? And he knew how to work the media. He's had time to become a known face. JP2's equivalent in pop culture would perhaps be the Rolling Stones or something like that.

 

[Liar]

When Liar first compared the pope and 50 cent, he referred to The Serengeti and Delhi, whick I took to mean we were talking worldwide, not just The West.

Yep. I was. And I still stand by that. Select a hundred people randonly worldwide, and I'm convinced that the percentage that recognize said imfamous rapper will be more than who can spot the Ratz-man in a lineup.

Could you spot the pope sans his spiffy robe and hat?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

John Paul II, yes, but hell, I don't even know the new guy's name, much less what he looks like.

You're not exactly his target audience, but I'm pretty sure you would recognise him immediately. He looks like the Pope. And can call him the Pope. The man's name is of no importance.

On the other hand, do you know 50 Cents' name? Could you pick him at a police line-up? Do you think even 1% of the population could?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Yep. I was. And I still stand by that. Select a hundred people randonly worldwide, and I'm convinced that the percentage that recognize said imfamous rapper will be more than who can spot the Ratz-man in a lineup.

Could you spot the pope sans his spiffy robe and hat?

Funny we were posting this at the same time. I guess my answer is obvious.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

So. You are saying that those movies did badly not because of adult content, but because someone warned the public that they contained adult content?

Actually, yes, I am saying that (minus the contained content faux pas). Furthermore, I'm saying that if the public hadn't been told those movies had adult content, the public wouldn't even have noticed the adult content, because none of those movies, with the possible exception of Zandalee focus on sex or violence. It's not what those movies are about.

Do you think that any one of those 10 movies is less appropriate to a 16-year-old to watch, for example, than the R-rated Basic Instinct?