Nc-17

[Slowlane]

Charley rarely has a point. That's the beauty of her.

We read what we want into her. Sort a a Rorschach test for Litophiles.

I suspected as much. Thanks. lol

 

[Colleen Thomas]

COLLY! Now I know you have something to say!

I rarely go to the movies, When I do, it's usually disney or something fun like that. Maybe star wars or something once in a blue moon. So i don't really know much about it.

I tend to think of it more like Lit's uner 18 rule. If you are going to show graphic sex scens, you are going to get a particular rating. If you don't like it, don't show them or don't release it in the US. It seems pretty common sense to me. If your characters are under 18, make em older or post somewhere else.

I don't know how graphic it has to be to earn a rateing, for either sex or violence. I don't have any clue of the criteria they use. I would be pretty far out of my depth trying to comment on it.

 

[CharleyH]

Has anyone noticed that to half the world, America is despised because she is the evil purveyor of all that is nasty sex and terrible violence; the "decadence" and "perversion" of Americanism, Westernization, is infecting the "World?"

And to the other half of the world, America is a lot of puritanical, ignorant pussies.

Wow, what sweeping, if dichotomous, generalizations.

Your satire and sarcasm is incredibly fun! Why lower to explain it? ROFOLOL. I can see the dichotomy in your own statement So wow?

 

[CharleyH]

I rarely go to the movies, When I do, it's usually disney or something fun like that. Maybe star wars or something once in a blue moon. So i don't really know much about it.

I tend to think of it more like Lit's uner 18 rule. If you are going to show graphic sex scens, you are going to get a particular rating. If you don't like it, don't show them or don't release it in the US. It seems pretty common sense to me. If your characters are under 18, make em older or post somewhere else.

I don't know how graphic it has to be to earn a rateing, for either sex or violence. I don't have any clue of the criteria they use. I would be pretty far out of my depth trying to comment on it.

Its political, it is about censorship? You are in your depth whenever you give your opinion and intelligence, love, which is always welcome.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I don't know how graphic it has to be to earn a rateing, for either sex or violence. I don't have any clue of the criteria they use. I would be pretty far out of my depth trying to comment on it.

There aren't any. You can say fuck twice, but if you say it three times, it's NC-17. I know that one. But beyond that, it's all random politics. The Wild Bunch was originally rated R, but when it was resubmitted before a rerelease in 1993 - the same exact movie, frame by frame - was rated NC-17. You have movies like Saving Private Ryan and Scary Movie, from big studios, with R-ratings, and independent spoofs like Orgazmo and Team America: World Police rated NC-17. It's a joke!

 

[sophia jane]

Not if your ultimate goal is Population Control.

*snicker* Never thought of it that way.

 

[CharleyH]

You must admit though Yui that promoting killing and denying sex all in one breath (by the rating system) is pretty split level thinking for anyone.

Ah Gauche, good to see you. We are all contradictory as we know and, that's not the issue I know. You got it (the issue) so thats, like way major cool!

 

[Slowlane]

Theoretically. In practice, you know that's not true. NC-17 is the equivalent to the original X-rate. "Some media outlets which refused ads for X-rated titles viewed ads for NC-17 rated films as equally unsuitable, despite studio claims, and thus simply transferred that policy to NC-17 titles, as did many theater landlords. A number of social conservative groups placed pressure on large video chains including Blockbuster Video and Hollywood Video, as a result of which these chains do not stock NC-17 titles." There was only one movie ever rated with NC-17 that still managed to get a wide release in the US.

Legally there are no restrictions. Everything else you’re talking about is business. The business end will take care of itself in whatever way it finds profitable. To me a rating system is common sense. Why risk taking the kids, or going yourself, to a move that has too much adult content, or too little, and wasting the money. At least the rating system is a guide. It’s still up to the individual to make decisions.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I suspected as much. Thanks. lol

In your case, the test reads "very lame".

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Its political, it is about censorship? You are in your depth whenever you give your opinion and intelligence, love, which is always welcome.

I don't have any problem with a ratings system. There is some content inappropriate for kids. I think letting mom & dad know there might be to much violence for Junior in Rambo XVIII: Kill them all Let god sort them out, is probably a good thing.

The movie industry self cencors. You have to kind of take it as the lesser of two evils. I mean, do you really want politcal hacks making the decisions? Tom Delay and Bill First deciding what gets what rating? If the current drop of self appointed Moral guaridans had their way, even Disney movies would be banned for their homosexual content

I can see both sides of the coin in this one. You need some kind of guide for parents. On the other hand, handing down a rating that will be the death knell to box office success on things you find too risque is a form of censorship.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Legally there are no restrictions. Everything else you’re talking about is business. The business end will take care of itself in whatever way it finds profitable. To me a rating system is common sense. Why risk taking the kids, or going yourself, to a move that has too much adult content, or too little, and wasting the money. At least the rating system is a guide. It’s still up to the individual to make decisions.

But it's not a fair guide. It is a joke. It will count how many curses and how many shots are fired, but it will happily give a PG-13 rating movie loaded with gratuitous violence and gore. It is a system that grades independent movies with puppets with NC-17 ratings simply because of their origin, not their content.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I don't have any problem with a ratings system. There is some content inappropriate for kids. I think letting mom & dad know there might be to much violence for Junior in Rambo XVIII: Kill them all Let god sort them out, is probably a good thing.

The movie industry self cencors. You have to kind of take it as the lesser of two evils. I mean, do you really want politcal hacks making the decisions? Tom Delay and Bill First deciding what gets what rating? If the current drop of self appointed Moral guaridans had their way, even Disney movies would be banned for their homosexual content

I can see both sides of the coin in this one. You need some kind of guide for parents. On the other hand, handing down a rating that will be the death knell to box office success on things you find too risque is a form of censorship.

The point is not the existence of the rating system, Colly. The point is that there is no criteria. These ratings are given by the a conglomerate of the greatest studios in US. They'll always give their own movies PG or - at the most - R-ratings no matter what, while at the same time giving NC-17 (=X) ratings to independent and foreign movies that are much more tame in their approaches to sex and violence.

Mom & Dad won't let Junior see Almodovar's Bad Education, or Larry Clark's Kids, but will have no problem sending him to gore and violence fests like Event Horizon (which is happily curse-words and nudity-free, and produced by Paramount)

 

[AppleBiter]

"Showgirls" sucked. *shrugs* Don't really see how the fallout of that has anything to do with the States trying to - was it "rape"? - artistic productions. NC-17 still beats X for any movie attempting to play the main theaters.

Well said.

 

[CharleyH]

I don't have any problem with a ratings system. There is some content inappropriate for kids. I think letting mom & dad know there might be to much violence for Junior in Rambo XVIII: Kill them all Let god sort them out, is probably a good thing.

Sure I get this, but Junior can see more of it than he can see sensual and sexual, so ... what is the benefit of NC-17 if it refers mainly to sex, but not Freddy Krugar or the everyday news?

What is a lessor of 2 evils? Violence is acceptable? Sex is not? I am not sure I get that. Can you as an erotic writer, be bound to write "not" a background of your sexual experience, but only those that are over 18? Can you in all truth say you agree with any law that prevents your free opinion?

What is the coin?

 

[yui]

America is a great purveyor of sex and violence, but being puritanical and ignorant pussies, can only (in their own minds) purvey nasty sex and terrible violence instead of sophisticated thought-provoking pieces of art.

They deserve the MPAA they get.

That America is both whore and spinster really is interesting to me.

I wonder how American Culture compares in anthropological terms to the development of other cultures? Is America transitioning culturally? Of course it is, but into what? None of your culture and art sprang up over-night, fully formed. It grew, with time and change and learning and protection. Consider that in Europe, and elsewhere, a thousand years and a populace with limited mobility created opportunities that America just hasn't had.

Also, if you haven't already, you should check out the US indie film scene as there are a great many stylish and artistic films available.

However, if you consider that God is with the US (as the leader never tires of telling the rest of the world, even if only through reportage) then America becomes, by association, omniscient and omnipresent and so must encompass all things however dichotomous.

Well, Emperor Hirohito was arahitogami, and he had a few false calls, so this Bush-talking-to-God-thing seems a little hokey to me.

You must admit though Yui that promoting killing and denying sex all in one breath (by the rating system) is pretty split level thinking for anyone.

I agree, but I don't think this is singular to America; it is very prevalent in Japanese and Chinese cinema also. I'm not saying it is the correct way to be; simply that this isn't a circumstance unique to America cinema or American community standards.

Luck,

Yui

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Also, if you haven't already, you should check out the US indie film scene as there are a great many stylish and artistic films available.

Yes, I mentioned it repeatedly, and it is being fucked in the ass by MPAA as much or more than the foreign movies I referred.

 

[CharleyH]

That America is both whore and spinster really is interesting to me.

I wonder how American Culture compares in anthropological terms to the development of other cultures? Is America transitioning culturally? Of course it is, but into what? None of your culture and art sprang up over-night, fully formed. It grew, with time and change and learning and protection. Consider that in Europe, and elsewhere, a thousand years and a populace with limited mobility created opportunities that America just hasn't had.

I agree, but I don't think this is singular to America; it is very prevalent in Japanese and Chinese cinema also. I'm not saying it is the correct way to be; simply that this isn't a circumstance unique to America cinema or American community standards.

Luck,

Yui

America has rarely an imprint on other cultures other than us sorry saps in Canada. The Greeks? The Brits? The French? Colonization has an effect ... Americans just ... go to war and hope for the best. LOL :| P.S. No art and culture springs ex nihilo, I have always said. And Japanese and Chinese culture don't force their culture on the Western world, so the rest matters on insofar as we appreciate.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Well said.

Not that well. How many movies received an X-rating from MPAA since 1990?

 

[AppleBiter]

Not that well. How many movies received an X-rating from MPAA since 1990?

Regardless, Shang makes a good point -- the movie sucked, that's why it didn't do well. Whatever the rating, if a movie sucks, it can't be expected to do well.

 

[yui]

*sings* Have I ever told you, you're my heeeeeroooh! You're evrything I wish I could be. I can fly highger than an eagle cause you are the wind beneath my wings!

I'm glad you have wings, because I'm about to get shot down.

Have we not bypassed that? Yet even last year Colin Farrel's cock is a no no, (was it too big) and yet it was cut from a film? Why?

Plain ol' double standard, mebbe?

Yer loud, yer bold, and yer everywhere. No wonder people have opinions.

Yer right.

Sort of.

Actually, I'm rather quiet, sort of shy, and I'm exclusively available where I'm at.

And I'm feeling Japanese.

Your satire and sarcasm is incredibly fun! Why lower to explain it? ROFOLOL. I can see the dichotomy in your own statement So wow?

Does this mean I get to stay?

Yes, I mentioned it repeatedly, and it is being fucked in the ass by MPAA as much or more than the foreign movies I referred.

Noted. *nods*

America has rarely an imprint on other cultures other than us sorry saps in Canada. The Greeks? The Brits? The French? Colonization has an effect ... Americans just ... go to war and hope for the best. LOL :|

Those great Greeks, Brits, and French weren't known for warring, eh? The difference is that the US will eventually go home.

And Japanese and Chinese culture don't force their culture on the Western world, so the rest matters on insofar as we appreciate.

Umm, Charley, it's not for lack of trying; don't let the deference fool you.

 

[CharleyH]

Charley rarely has a point. That's the beauty of her.

We read what we want into her. Sort a a Rorschach test for Litophiles.

Ahhh, you sweet thing!

 

[Boxlicker101]

As I understand it, the original ratings were G, M(later PG), R and X. That was before actual porn was so commom. Porn makers then grabbed the X rating and made it their own, even calling things XX or XXX, etc. X-rated came to be equated with porn, even though it shouldn't have been. Movie makers then started calling those movies that would have been X-rated as NC17. If you look at newspaper ads for porn movies, they will be referred to in multiples of X and the boxes that contain porn videotapes or DVD's will say the same thing. It should make a clear distinction.

In the early days of ratings, a movie about sex would get an X rating. "Midnight Cowboy" won an academy award as best film when it was X-rated. Since then, I think it has been down-graded to PG.

 

[Remec]

Not that well. How many movies received an X-rating from MPAA since 1990?

It was my understanding that, technically, the X-rating was an add-on that the MPAA never patented/copywrit or whatever which is one reason NC-17 was developed. To the general public, "X" meant hardcore porn and had been more or less subsumed by the manufacturers of those movies into a marketing gimmick.

But, I haven't looked anything up to have any facts. How many were there?

 

[Remec]

Aside

It was my understanding that, technically, the X-rating was an add-on that the MPAA never patented/copywrit or whatever which is one reason NC-17 was developed. To the general public, "X" meant hardcore porn and had been more or less subsumed by the manufacturers of those movies into a marketing gimmick.

But, I haven't looked anything up to have any facts. How many were there?

Note to self...read through threads when coming in late before commenting.

<g> Thanks Boxlicker...you had a much clearer way to say what I was getting at.

 

[JamesSD]

There aren't any. You can say fuck twice, but if you say it three times, it's NC-17. I know that one. But beyond that, it's all random politics. The Wild Bunch was originally rated R, but when it was resubmitted before a rerelease in 1993 - the same exact movie, frame by frame - was rated NC-17. You have movies like Saving Private Ryan and Scary Movie, from big studios, with R-ratings, and independent spoofs like Orgazmo and Team America: World Police rated NC-17. It's a joke!

Orgazmo and Team America both were rated R in their theatrical forms.

I'm pretty sure South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut! Dropped the F-Bomb more than 3 times.

The fact is, the rules are very flexible. Matt Stone and Trey Parker are masters at putting in so much offensive material that they can keep a lot of it and still get an R rating during the process of compromise with the ratings board.

I remember when American Pie came out they forced them to cut two thrusts out when Jason Biggs was fucking the pie. 3 Thrusts = R, 5 Thrusts = NC-17. Hee hee.