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Recidiva said:
Will it be ever thus? Ungracious wretch,
Fit for the mountains and the barbarous caves,
Where manners ne'er were preach'd! out of my sight!

Rudesby, be gone!
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you do have some redeeming value:)
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Why then do all the Shakespeare movies generally suck?


;) ;)
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if you've read the books first.... *sigh*

audience expectation (depending on the audience but i'm going for those already into his works) being let down

Recidiva said:
I try to see it wherever I can. When I was exposed to it in school it was the deadest, driest stuff. Deadpan readings, serious interpretations, bad accents.

Like in Romeo and Juliet, most people say "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" as if they were asking "where" are you, when it is "Why are you Romeo" as in...why do you have that name, why are our families at war, if you had another name life would be so different...

So most Juliets look over the balcony and indicate "looking" for him.

Oh, c'mon, Juliet...*facepalm*

One of the reasons why I think people have basically been people, and sophisticated at that, and nowhere near as "dumb" as modern people think our ancestors were...is Shakespeare. Living (well, enduring) proof that bloody well damned smarter than everybody else has been out there for a good long time.

Being in England, you have a sense of it being a living cultural icon due for celebration. I see it the same way, but I am just grateful that the RSC records stuff and also sends your guys over here for me to celebrate.
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i've never had the money when i had the opportunity or opportunity when i had the money to 'do' shakespeare but come next year this, too should all change for the better. *nods*

school stuff, yeah - though it was fun being in Taming of the Shrew with my eldest sister playing Kate. Not that i knew too much about shakespeare back then, or even anything much now other than i love reading him. BUT - i was so lucky to be introduced to him through my english teacher, with his nicely shaped short beard/tache combo - with him leaping onto the desks and strutting his stuff, showing us how Shakespeare might have been performed, with asides and hey nonny's and a gifted, versatile voice. what luck to have such a teacher able to bring Shakespeare to life from text!

4est_4est_Gump said:
A lovestruck romeo sings a streetsus serenade
Laying everybody low with me a lovesong that he made
Finds a convenient streetlight steps out of the shade
Says something like you and me babe how about it ?

Juliet says hey it's romeo you nearly gimme a heart attack
He's underneath the window she's singing hey la my boyfriend's back
You shouldn't come around here singing up at people like that
Anyway what you gonna do about it ?

Juliet the dice were loaded from the start
And I bet and you exploded in my heart
And I forget the movie song
When you wanna realise it was just that the time was wrong juliet ?

Come up on differents streets they both were streets of shame
Both dirty both mean yes and the dream was just the same
And I dreamed your dream for you and your dream is real
How can you look at me as if I was just another one of your deals ?

Where you can fall for chains of silver you can fall for chains of gold
You can fall for pretty strangers and the promises they hold
You promised me everything you promised me think and thin
Now you just says oh romeo yeah you know I used to have a scene with him
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yes. yes. and oh yes. happy memories
 
I was in an experimental curriculum.

We had a nine-week course devoted to Shakespeare.

It was okay, but there were a lot of dummies slowing the class down.
 
butters said:
i've never had the money when i had the opportunity or opportunity when i had the money to 'do' shakespeare but come next year this, too should all change for the better. *nods*

school stuff, yeah - though it was fun being in Taming of the Shrew with my eldest sister playing Kate. Not that i knew too much about shakespeare back then, or even anything much now other than i love reading him. BUT - i was so lucky to be introduced to him through my english teacher, with his nicely shaped short beard/tache combo - with him leaping onto the desks and strutting his stuff, showing us how Shakespeare might have been performed, with asides and hey nonny's and a gifted, versatile voice. what luck to have such a teacher able to bring Shakespeare to life from text!
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I don't think I was ever anti-Shakespeare. I probably would have had more troubles at home with my mother not wanting to feed me and all until I came to my senses.

Since I had the opportunity and the means to see the good stuff, by the time it was "taught" to me in high school I was already sold. I had a good English teacher, in fact an excellent English teacher all through high school, the same wonderful lady taught the classes I wanted to be in and I was lucky enough to get her every year and even develop a friendship with her outside school.

I hope you have fun and encounter excellent and innovative casts that transform the material.

That's usually my disappointment. A lot of the "remakes" are simply not worth remaking. Kevin Kline's Hamlet was supposed to be...Denmark during WWII or something...completely useless as a context and resulting in the most boring black suits for everybody. I just remember a wave of boring black with no relief.

What a shame.

Hamlet needs to be engaging, you have to care, yeah, he's a huge nerd, but he's a huge teenage nerd with angst. Not a middle-aged American actor trying to "do" Hamlet. He has to be vulnerable, he has to be conflicted, he has to really CARE.

It's a shame that people equate Hamlet with so much seriousness when there really needs to be so much more in terms of humanity and portrayal.

May you get David Tennant and not Kevin Kline.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
I was in an experimental curriculum.

We had a nine-week course devoted to Shakespeare.

It was okay, but there were a lot of dummies slowing the class down.
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Yeah, I guess most of my introduction was through actual theater and through actors themselves, so although I think Americans are missing the point a lot, I didn't.

I don't really feel sorry for them, it's sort of like not liking ice cream. Okay, your loss combined with "what the hell is your problem - it's ice cream!"

Maybe some folks are inherently Shakespeare intolerant.
 
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