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[CaneFreak]

Why aren't these stories made into movies?

 

[SimonDoom]

It's an excellent question. I can't help but think that there's an untapped market that some enterprising person could take advantage of.

 

[CaneFreak]

Why aren't these stories made into movies?

HBO, Netflix, Showtime. Could even tone it down for MTV

 

[SimonDoom]

HBO, Netflix, Showtime. Could even tone it down for MTV

That's the point; it can't be toned down. The movies must faithfully replicate the stories, and that means being more explicit than anything one would see on any of those networks. That's what's missing.

 

[Euphony]

It's an excellent question. I can't help but think that there's an untapped market that some enterprising person could take advantage of.

I'm not entirely convinced we aren't a touch biased in such matters.

Big push these days are:
a) established properties
b) mostly inoffensive ("cancel culture supposedly looms)
c) international appeal (to justify investment)

Erotica struggles with all 3.

Do I believe there is an untapped market? Absolutely.

Would said market come out of hiding and vote with their dollars? Not so sure.

So many celebrated shows/movies die an unceremonious death on the whims of Middle America.
(see Fox's history of killing lauded shows.)

And sex forward programing would have those easily squicked "morality warriors" to deal with as well.

 

[Zenith77]

Tough to follow 50 Shades of Crappity.

 

[MrPixel]

... Would said market come out of hiding and vote with their dollars? ... And sex forward programing would have those easily squicked "morality warriors" to deal with as well.

No market to be had when spending those dollars is traceable and recorded in an environment of increasing intolerance of porn from both sides of the political fence. Wasn't it Louisiana that just passed a law requiring registration to view online smut?

Not to say there can't be a market, just one that isn't online. "Adult stores" and the DVDs purveyed therein, although the bluenoses are good about chasing those out of their community, too.

 

[ronde]

The problem wouldn't be a lack of potential consumers. That's evidenced by the number of romance novels sold and by the vast number of sexual "aids" available on the market today. The market is there. It's just a very private market.

Part of the problem is that half that consumer base is female. In general, women enjoy their erotica in written form, not in a visual form like movies. That's why Harlequin has been successful. Women are also the consumers who buy sex toys and lingerie designed to highlight the less that it covers.

The other part of the problem is that movies are too "public". There used to be theaters that showed the porn of the time, though those films would probably be "R" rated today. The old joke about old men in raincoats being the only customers for those theaters was the truth unless the theater was in a college town. If it was, a lot of the audience would be horny young guys. Neither group cared if they were seen there. People today do care what other people think. They fear loss of friends, their job, or even family if they step outside the "norms" society dictates but often doesn't follow.

Most of those potential consumers want sex to be confined to their home or at least someplace where it's unlikely they'll be discovered. Even TV presents a risk because of audience tracking. That's the same reason there are no actual names on Lit, at least that I know of, and most profiles only list a join date.

 

[CaneFreak]

I think women are becoming more and more visual due to social media

 

[MrPixel]

... People today do care what other people think. They fear loss of friends, their job, or even family if they step outside the "norms" society dictates but often doesn't follow.

Raising his hand here: "Yep." 15 years ago my wife lost her job after we were discovered patronizing a porn theater. Of course, the tattletale was in that theater, too, but she was a known flake and it was no skin off her nose, she was a volunteer at the institution where my wife worked.

 

[Voboy]

...The movies must faithfully replicate the stories...

...said no producer, ever.

Some enterprising screenwriter could take the bones of dozens of stories here and sell them to Hollywood, and one or two might get made. But at the end of the road, it would bear little resemblance to the original story.

 

[SimonDoom]

...said no producer, ever.

Some enterprising screenwriter could take the bones of dozens of stories here and sell them to Hollywood, and one or two might get made. But at the end of the road, it would bear little resemblance to the original story.

OK. Fair point. Let me clarify. A problem with film productions of erotic fiction--e.g., 50 Shades-- is that they pull their punches. They're too tame. I think there's a potential market for film versions of erotic stories like what we have here that replicate the stories in tone and sexuality. I'm not sure how they would be delivered. But I think, somehow, there's a market for that. But of course you are right than many details would be changed to make the stories more marketable for film.

 

[KeithD]

Films made from stories here don't have to be tame. I was thinking the scenarios gleaned from here would enable meatier plotlines for porn films. The film makers wouldn't have to expend energy trying to create more complex plots than they now have. They could just lift them from here.

 

[CaneFreak]

Films made from stories here don't have to be tame. I was thinking the scenarios gleaned from here would enable meatier plotlines for porn films. The film makers wouldn't have to expend energy trying to create more complex plots than they now have. They could just lift them from here.

Exactly what I was thinking!

 

[yowser]

No one has addressed the real obstacle for this notion: casting costs.

Where do you find men with foot long penises? Impossibly endowed salacious sluts who will put out for pennies? Even if the screenwriter (presumably Lit author) works pro bono, the budgets will be astronomical.

I'm not even going to mention the hiring costs of finding sentient tentacle creatures.

 

[ChloeTzang]

..... A problem with film productions of erotic fiction--e.g., 50 Shades-- is that they pull their punches. They're too tame. I think there's a potential market for film versions of erotic stories like what we have here that replicate the stories in tone and sexuality. I'm not sure how they would be delivered. But I think, somehow, there's a market for that. But of course you are right than many details would be changed to make the stories more marketable for film.

50 Shades was just NOT a good film. It could have been so much better but the script, the actors, the director....they all failed. Look at what Zalman King did with Red Shoe Diaries. The first Wild Orchid movie with Carrie Otis was quite erotic too. Another one that springs to mind is The Lover (L'Amante) with Jane March and Tony Leung. The car scene where his hand inches across the seat to finally touch hers - that was beautiful and very erotic imagery. Suggestive without the explicitness. They were all well done erotic movies, without getting into the absolute explicitness of porn. "Lust, Caution" was another (Chinese movie) with some very erotic scenes built in as part of the story, and again, really well done. Actually, I always see Lust Caution as on that fine borderline between Erotica and Porn.

You don't see it so much in western movies, but you do see those erotic moments in a lot of Korean historical movies for example, but their erotica in those is usually incidental to the main story. Personally, I think there's a lot of scope to make some really good erotic movies out of some of the stories on Literotica, and I could pick a dozen off the top of my head, modestly not including my own. LOL. I just don't find many western filmmakers that understand the erotic mindset. They can do sex, that's easy, but that ability to take sex and film it and have it emerge as overwhelmingly erotic just does not seem to be there.

 

[ElectricBlue]

You folks live in America, and you're wondering why such movies aren't being made??

Which planet are you on, right now?

 

[SimonDoom]

50 Shades was just NOT a good film. It could have been so much better but the script, the actors, the director....they all failed. Look at what Zalman King did with Red Shoe Diaries. The first Wild Orchid movie with Carrie Otis was quite erotic too. Another one that springs to mind is The Lover (L'Amante) with Jane March and Tony Leung. The car scene where his hand inches across the seat to finally touch hers - that was beautiful and very erotic imagery. Suggestive without the explicitness. They were all well done erotic movies, without getting into the absolute explicitness of porn. "Lust, Caution" was another (Chinese movie) with some very erotic scenes built in as part of the story, and again, really well done. Actually, I always see Lust Caution as on that fine borderline between Erotica and Porn.

You don't see it so much in western movies, but you do see those erotic moments in a lot of Korean historical movies for example, but their erotica in those is usually incidental to the main story. Personally, I think there's a lot of scope to make some really good erotic movies out of some of the stories on Literotica, and I could pick a dozen off the top of my head, modestly not including my own. LOL. I just don't find many western filmmakers that understand the erotic mindset. They can do sex, that's easy, but that ability to take sex and film it and have it emerge as overwhelmingly erotic just does not seem to be there.

What is it with the Koreans? It's like all of a sudden they mastered pop culture and entertainment and they're turning out lots of high quality stuff, whether it's TV shows, movies, or musical artists. I watched Train to Busan the other day and it's a surprisingly good zombie flick. The production values are every bit as good as an American film and the underlying moral theme is more complex and true than what you get in US zombie films.

I agree with you about The Lover. It's a very good erotic film. I don't think there are that many erotic films that hit the right balance between film quality and eroticism.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

I'm not entirely convinced we aren't a touch biased in such matters.

Big push these days are:
a) established properties
b) mostly inoffensive ("cancel culture supposedly looms)
c) international appeal (to justify investment)

Erotica struggles with all 3.

Do I believe there is an untapped market? Absolutely.

Would said market come out of hiding and vote with their dollars? Not so sure.

So many celebrated shows/movies die an unceremonious death on the whims of Middle America.
(see Fox's history of killing lauded shows.)

And sex forward programing would have those easily squicked "morality warriors" to deal with as well.

You’re of course right about 1) and 3) (and somewhat with 2) but I think we’re all missing something here.

Quality films with hardcore sex and stories and even decent performances have existed for years just outside Hollywood. Studios like Private and Marc Dorcel have pushed things further and further in terms of narrative within films. Hell, my favourite Private films INDECENCY 1 & 2 are a hardcore take on indecent proposal.

Now we are in the streaming age I don’t think we are long before the media taps into this, in fact you can watch Marc Dorcel stuff through TV now so it’s only a matter of time before we get better stories (the kind of involved and intricate stuff we read here) and get that through mainstream media subscriptions.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

What is it with the Koreans? It's like all of a sudden they mastered pop culture and entertainment and they're turning out lots of high quality stuff, whether it's TV shows, movies, or musical artists. I watched Train to Busan the other day and it's a surprisingly good zombie flick. The production values are every bit as good as an American film and the underlying moral theme is more complex and true than what you get in US zombie films.

I agree with you about The Lover. It's a very good erotic film. I don't think there are that many erotic films that hit the right balance between film quality and eroticism.

To be fair anything with Tony Leung in has already got a stamp of quality on it. I keep hoping that IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE pops up on streaming so I can finally get to watching it, but he is amazing.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

No one has addressed the real obstacle for this notion: casting costs.

Where do you find men with foot long penises? Impossibly endowed salacious sluts who will put out for pennies? Even if the screenwriter (presumably Lit author) works pro bono, the budgets will be astronomical.

I'm not even going to mention the hiring costs of finding sentient tentacle creatures.

Or should that be…pro-boner?



I’ll get me coat

 

[alohadave]

Personally, I think there's a lot of scope to make some really good erotic movies out of some of the stories on Literotica, and I could pick a dozen off the top of my head, modestly not including my own.

I nominate @MelissaBaby and Ranger Ramona.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What is it with the Koreans? It's like all of a sudden they mastered pop culture and entertainment and they're turning out lots of high quality stuff, whether it's TV shows, movies, or musical artists. I watched Train to Busan the other day and it's a surprisingly good zombie flick. The production values are every bit as good as an American film and the underlying moral theme is more complex and true than what you get in US zombie films.

I agree with you about The Lover. It's a very good erotic film. I don't think there are that many erotic films that hit the right balance between film quality and eroticism.

Yeah, they're wiping the floor with pop culture and entertainment. Look at how popular k-pop is with everyone, not just Asian kids. They focus on entertainment and its professional. YG Entertainment trains their singers for years - and is all the singers - there are no bands as we know them. Most k-pop singers go in as trainees aged 14, and they spend 4-6 years training full time before they're formed into a group by the company, who picks the members. They're very much manufactured groups, and only a small percentage of the trainees make it into a group. The rest, the ones that don't make the grade, are terminated, even after years of training.

Take Jenny Kim, iconic Korean K-pop singer and member of BlackPink as an example. Jenny was born on Seoul, but moved to New Zealand when she was 9 after visiting with her parents and liking the country. She studied In New Zealand for 5 years, where she lived with a home-stay family, becoming fluent in English, before returning to Korea to complete college. She auditioned for YG Entertainment in 2010, when she was 14, and pretty much immediately joined the label as a trainee.

Being a YG trainee's tough, requiring total dedication and long hours of study and training right from the start. Jennie spent six-years as a trainee, where each month every trainee has to perform a group performance, a dance, and a solo song for the label's CEO, producers and other artists to watch and evaluate the progress of their training. She also recalled memories preparing outfits and songs, making musical accompaniments, and practicing choreography - they had to come up with the outfits, do the choreography, everything themselves - and this is from age 14. Incredibly tough and a high drop out rate, as well as a high rejection rate all the way thru.

The life of a YG Entertainment trainee....

As for movies - yes, they're getting better and better. Train to Busan was great, but its their historical movies that I really like. They make great dramas too. And series, like "Boys Over Flowers." They also do a lot of gay movies and dramas too, without all the BS about it that you get here. There, they're just a normal part of the movie and drama programming scene. And movies like "Shadowless Sword." I like them far more than Chinese movies. For some reason a lot of Chinese movies include these silly comedy scenes - a bit like Indian movies with their song and dance routines.....

"Shadowless Sword"

 

[12oclocktales]

Where does the $$$ come from? Sponsors? Who's going to put their product next to a Lit story film without taming it down? Coca Cola? Disney? Fat chance. And no dough, no show.

 

[gunhilltrain]

You folks live in America, and you're wondering why such movies aren't being made??

Which planet are you on, right now?

Right now we are on Planet America, of course.

A quiet voice is singing something to me
An age old song 'bout the home of the brave in this land here of the free
One time one night in America