Mosque at Ground Zero

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The site isnt Muslamic Holy Ground, as is found in Jerusalem; its a premeditated scheme to offend Americans.

 

[Stella_Omega]

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I don't know about their motives. They may be perfectly innocent, or it may be a sly way of saying "In your face, Infidels!"

Do you bnelieve a comparative structure would ever be allowed in the center of Tehran or other Muslim capital?

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I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just expressing misgivings and doubts about the motives of those doing the building. I am a strong enough believer in freedom of religion that I would do nothing to prevent the construction, even if I could.

This imply-and-deny routine of your is why you've lost so many friends here.
If YOU think the mosque is being erected as a "challenge to America" then just say so.

 

[Liar]

The link is about a church that is open one day a month and on a few other special occasions. It is not even close to comparable to the Islamic skyscraper that is the subject of this thread. If this is the best you can do, it proves my point.

Wrong. It's the English Language service that happens monthly. The church, the Deutsches Evangelische Kirche, is a permanent institution. It's not a skyscraper. So what? One would look rather weird in that neighborhood, whereas it would blend in just right in on Manhattan. It's a church building. With crosses, jesus icons and everything.

Here's another one, rather grand one, if I may say so myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Sarkis_Cathedral,_Tehran
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/31153075

 

[Boxlicker101]

Wrong. It's the English Language service that happens monthly. The church, the Deutsches Evangelische Kirche, is a permanent institution. It's not a skyscraper. So what? One would look rather weird in that neighborhood, whereas it would blend in just right in on Manhattan. It's a church building. With crosses, jesus icons and everything.

Here's another one, rather grand one, if I may say so myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Sarkis_Cathedral,_Tehran

What part of this schedule don't you understand?



About Us
Services are at 10 a.m. on the first Friday of every month, with extra services on Easter Sunday and Christmas Day. Activities are usually provided for children.

We are a broad protestant church attended by over a dozen nationalities. We serve Tehran's expatriate community.

We are from a range of backgrounds and meet together to celebrate our God, to pray and to worship, and to get to know and support one another as Christians in a non-Christian culture.

See Contact Page for how to find us.




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There is a bi-weekly morning study group for English-speaking women on Mondays at 9.30-11.30, at the German Church.

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Friday 6th January 2006

 

[Huckleman2000]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just expressing misgivings and doubts about the motives of those doing the building. I am a strong enough believer in freedom of religion that I would do nothing to prevent the construction, even if I could.

You know, if you're going to concern yourself with other peoples' motives, you shouldn't complain when other people question your own. Going through life thinking everyone is out to get you somehow seems like a huge waste of time on really unpleasant thoughts and feelings.

So what if some Muslim people think it's "a sly way of saying 'in your face, Infidels!'"? That strikes me as an awfully childish attitude to take as a reason to build a sizable community center, and it seems even more childish to think that of the people who are making a such a large investment and commitment to their shared neighborhood.

And it's positively infantile to whip this up into a national political issue of Islamohate. There's no legal issue to prevent the construction of this building - the only issue seems to be "Waaaaahhhhh! You're hurting our feeeeeeelings! Our racist, xenophobic, irrational, "christian" feeeeeelings!"

 

[Huckleman2000]

The site isnt Muslamic Holy Ground, as is found in Jerusalem; its a premeditated scheme to offend Americans.

This offends you? My, what a thin-skinned grey floppy wrinkled pussy you are!

You're a damned sorry excuse for an American, if you ask me.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think posting really stupid shit is the only way Box can get responses from people anymore. Even if it's people telling him how dumb he is it's better than nothing.

I know! Let's talk about eating pussy!

I was with a woman who doesn't shave recently. Her pussy hair was soft and fine as, well.. pussycat hair. I licked all of it flat before I got really going.

How about you?

 

[JamesSD]

A more accurate depiction of where the mosque actually is

It's not at the WTC site. It's about 2 blocks away. No way to even see it from the WTC site. The group behind it sounds like a bunch of New York Hippy Muslims preaching tolerance.

 

[Boxlicker101]

This imply-and-deny routine of your is why you've lost so many friends here.
If YOU think the mosque is being erected as a "challenge to America" then just say so.

I did not imply anything, so there is nothing to deny. All I'm doing is expressing my own lack of knowledge of the subject, but mentioning some possibilities.

 

[Liar]

What part of this schedule don't you understand?

I understand all parts of that schedule. it says that the English Church holds a monthly service at the facilities of the Deutsches Evangelische Kirche.

What part of "It's the English Language service that happens monthly. The church, the Deutsches Evangelische Kirche, is a permanent institution." do you not understand?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I did not imply anything, so there is nothing to deny. All I'm doing is expressing my own lack of knowledge of the subject, but mentioning some possibilities.

*laughing*

 

[TE999]

Whatever the motivation to construct this building it's immaterial in the face of the uproar it's creating. The wounds of 9/11 are still raw, especially in New York where it happened. It's bad judgment and poor timing on the Muslims part. Arguments about religious freedom and moral relativism are lost on people when their passions are aroused. Pursuing this project won't gain any tolerance or understanding of Muslims by non-Muslims, but it'll further widen the cultural divide.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

This offends you? My, what a thin-skinned grey floppy wrinkled pussy you are!

You're a damned sorry excuse for an American, if you ask me.

It offends most Americans. Just like illegals offend most Americans and ObamaCare offends most Americans. The delicious part is, we need no valid reason to be offended. CUZ I WANT IT is reason enough. Muslimaniacs offend us, and someone will pay for the decision to build the mosque. Probably the Democrats in November.

 

[Liar]

Whatever the motivation to construct this building it's immaterial in the face of the uproar it's creating. The wounds of 9/11 are still raw, especially in New York where it happened. It's bad judgment and poor timing on the Muslims part. Arguments about religious freedom and moral relativism are lost on people when their passions are aroused. Pursuing this project won't gain any tolerance or understanding of Muslims by non-Muslims, but it'll further widen the cultural divide.

What moral relativism? Is constitutional rights and the principle of religious freedom moral relativism?

Here's moral relativism: If not there and now, at what distance in time or distance in location would such a building be socially acceptable? Another year? Five? Ten? Another block away? Five? Ten?

 

[Stella_Omega]

What moral relativism? Is constitutional rights and the principle of religious freedom moral relativism?

Here's moral relativism: If nit there and now, at what distance in time or distance in location would such a building be socially acceptable? Another year? Five? Ten? Another block away? Five? Ten?

Put another Xtian church there instead, there are never enough of those.

TE, you do realise, right, that lots of Muslims live in New York?

That they are part and parcel of the city fabric? And that 911 happened to them too? You can't divide them out and call the rest of the population "New York."

 

[Guest]

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[Stella_Omega]

Yes, you are.

it's so sad, isn't it?

 

[Guest]

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[TE999]

What moral relativism? Is constitutional rights and the principle of religious freedom moral relativism?

Here's moral relativism: If not there and now, at what distance in time or distance in location would such a building be socially acceptable? Another year? Five? Ten? Another block away? Five? Ten?

I'm not a New Yorker so I have no idea. Two huge buildings collapsed and 3,000+ people died. Muslim fanatics caused the disaster. People don't forget such things easily...nor should they. In many minds this building is an affront to those who died because it's a Muslim project. Rationalize it all you like, it will do a lot more harm than good.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm not a New Yorker so I have no idea. Two huge buildings collapsed and 3,000+ people died. Muslim fanatics caused the disaster. People don't forget such things easily...nor should they. In many minds this building is an affront to those who died because it's a Muslim project. Rationalize it all you like, it will do a lot more harm than good.

Or more good than harm.
Or it might do some harm, and some good.

 

[TE999]

Put another Xtian church there instead, there are never enough of those.

TE, you do realise, right, that lots of Muslims live in New York?

That they are part and parcel of the city fabric? And that 911 happened to them too? You can't divide them out and call the rest of the population "New York."

Of course I do. That isn't the point. Everyone's all caught up in cultural sensitivity and trying not to offend anyone...well, in many New Yorkers minds this building is an affront to their post-9/11 sensitivity, so is that less important? Manhattan's a big island. Put this thing somewhere else...it will only cause more harm than good.

I wonder how many Muslims in New York are in favor of this project?

 

[Stella_Omega]

It's odd.

It's the march of time... entropy... the slowing down of certain brain chemicals, the misfiring of synapses...

Senility.

Don't you hate when that happens!

 

[djserani]

*wanders through this thread with her Ten-Foot-Pole-Of-Non-Touching* I got burned in the England's NHS thread.

I've got friends from New York. They're not Muslim. They have no problem with it. /shrug There's a good chance this 'outcry' is the media whipping it up. But who knows. I don't see why it's a big deal. The only way to stop having prejudice is to...stop being prejudiced. But that's just me.

*runs away quickly waving her pole behind her*

 

[cloudy]

*wanders through this thread with her Ten-Foot-Pole-Of-Non-Touching* I got burned in the England's NHS thread.

I've got friends from New York. They're not Muslim. They have no problem with it. /shrug There's a good chance this 'outcry' is the media whipping it up. But who knows. I don't see why it's a big deal. The only way to stop having prejudice is to...stop being prejudiced. But that's just me.

*runs away quickly waving her pole behind her*

Next we'll see one of the circle-jerk gang post something along the lines of, "I'm not prejudiced! Some of my best friends are *insert ethnic/religious group here*"

That's about their speed.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm not prejudiced! Some of my best friends are white.. and male!

And straight!

I don't think any less of them for it. But most of my straight white male friends are unusual for their group. Not so stereotyped.