Morris Says A Landslide Is On The Way

[Disgustipated]

It's not surprising Ishmael thinks all immigrants are not educated.

 

[Ishmael]

Interesting points. I think its a bit more nuanced that you imply but there is a core of truth in your statement. Its not just immigration, but too many children being born as well. There's too much population for the number of available jobs and it will get worse as time goes on.

The military has been a safety valve for a lot of today's young people who can't find jobs, but what happens when we can't afford all the military spending anymore?

Actually the US is on the verge of becoming a dying nation, just as all of the nations of Europe have been for over a decade and most of the Eastern block of nations as well. Which is to be expected, late in the Roman Republic (prior to Empire) the politicians found that giving away 'bread and circuses' was the means to further power. But they too were aware or demographics. They even awarded medals to the women of the Republic/Empire that bore three or more children. (2.1 children/woman is a static poplation, ie. ZPG)

The more they gave away, the greater the drop in the fertility rate and the more dependent they became on foreign interests/populations.

How apropos that this subject should arise, again, tonight. When you give away good candy, all the kids show up at your door.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

It's not surprising Ishmael thinks all immigrants are not educated.

I'm not surprised that you think they are. Actually I think that you're nothing more than a latter day slave.

Getting a kick out of your using the sons pic as your AV. It is a high form of flattery you know?

Or maybe you're just too fucking ugly to use your own pic? Who's to know?

Got anything positive going in your life at all penis gazer?

Ishmael

 

[Squibbs]

A lot of Democrats I've spoken to are very nervous.

They know the anti-vote will surely turnout and are concerned the enthusiastic masses of 2008 won't. I too suspect the "luster" has worn off and the President has an enthusiasm gap. We'll see.

If I was a Dem I'd be worried too.

Romney will probably win due to the extreme derp factor over the past 4 years.

Regardless of whether any of it is true or not.

 

[phrodeau]

Hmmmm, what a thought. With 16% unemployment we need more and more immigrants to pay the payroll taxes. You're a real fucking genius there.

In the 1970's and 80's the EU was in the same situation. The Germans opened the doors to the Turks and the French the North Africans. They did get fodder for their factories, but that was about it. Their social safety nets required 4 workers for every non-productive recipient. And now that ratio is even lower, even after the wholesale immigration to their nations. And look at the EU now!!! It's falling apart. All of those magical giveaways are coming back to bite them in the ass.

Do you really think that opening the doors to a hoard of uneducated workers is going to solve this problem? Do you really think that a massive wave of concrete workers, sheet rock hangers, painters, lawn mowers, framers, and roofers is the way out?

We are evolving into a post-industrial society where machines are going to replace most of the manpower workers required in the past. We don't need hoards of workers, as a matter of fact those hoard merely become welfare recipients.

In my lifetime I've watched us evolve from an Industrial society, to a Service society, to an Information society, and now to an Automated society. We don't need the manpower anymore, we need educated brains. More uneducated immigrants just means more mouths for the productive to feed.

But no politician will ever tell you that.

Ishmael

Immigrants stimulate the economy. Do you really not know that?

Every one of them needs a home to live in, clothes to wear, food to eat, etc. They bring wealth with them, and they generate more once they're here.

 

[CandiCame]

I found out who this morris is. He's some guy on Fox News. So just as irrelevant as I thought.

 

[Ishmael]

Immigrants stimulate the economy. Do you really not know that?

Every one of them needs a home to live in, clothes to wear, food to eat, etc. They bring wealth with them, and they generate more once they're here.

You have now dived into the sea of fantasy.

Eliminate ALL social safety nets and I'll agree to let them all in.

But you missed that point, didn't you?

Ishmael

 

[renard_ruse]

Actually the US is on the verge of becoming a dying nation, just as all of the nations of Europe have been for over a decade and most of the Eastern block of nations as well. Which is to be expected, late in the Roman Republic (prior to Empire) the politicians found that giving away 'bread and circuses' was the means to further power. But they too were aware or demographics. They even awarded medals to the women of the Republic/Empire that bore three or more children. (2.1 children/woman is a static poplation, ie. ZPG)

The more they gave away, the greater the drop in the fertility rate and the more dependent they became on foreign interests/populations.

How apropos that this subject should arise, again, tonight. When you give away good candy, all the kids show up at your door.

Ishmael

Actually, population growth is increasingly being driven by births once again.

 

[doctor_insanus]

I found out who this morris is. He's some guy on Fox News. So just as irrelevant as I thought.

Just listen to the cat. You'd be better informed than any of the wingnuts in this thread.

 

[renard_ruse]

Immigrants stimulate the economy. Do you really not know that?

Every one of them needs a home to live in, clothes to wear, food to eat, etc. They bring wealth with them, and they generate more once they're here.

So do tourists. Lets increase tourism instead. They can visit, have fun and then go home. Win-win for everybody.

 

[Disgustipated]

I'm not surprised that you think they are. Actually I think that you're nothing more than a latter day slave.

Getting a kick out of your using the sons pic as your AV. It is a high form of flattery you know?

Or maybe you're just too fucking ugly to use your own pic? Who's to know?

Got anything positive going in your life at all penis gazer?

Ishmael

Yes. Your stump of a son is better looking than me. You realize he is known as Barney Rubble by Lit women, right? I create jobs and hire people, something you and your idiot son have never had the pleasure of doing.

 

[renard_ruse]

Just listen to the cat. You'd be better informed than any of the wingnuts in this thread.

So we have one poster who is prejudiced against an entire TV network out of hand and another poster who calls people names. And we wonder why the country is so screwed up?

 

[renard_ruse]

Immigrants stimulate the economy. Do you really not know that?

Every one of them needs a home to live in, clothes to wear, food to eat, etc. They bring wealth with them, and they generate more once they're here.

The Nixon administration commisioned a bi-partisan study in the early 70s on immigration and it concluded that there would be no net benefit from continued population growth. We had almost 200 million less people then.

When you do the math, population growth is a net drain on the economy.

 

[Cade Is Here]

Damn, must be some denial gong on.

Have you ever watched MSNBC or Jon Stewart? The network and the asshole jon just constantly say pure bullshit. Everything is anti Romney this and Anti Romney that. And obama will save the world type of shit...
Does anyone even believe this shit anymore?

 

[renard_ruse]

Over on the conspiracy site I go to, they seem to feel that Romney is goint to "steal" the election.

 

[Ishmael]

Actually, population growth is increasingly being driven by births once again.

The US fertility rate is 2.06 children/woman. ZPG is 2.1 children/women.

Ishmael

 

[CandiCame]

Just listen to the cat. You'd be better informed than any of the wingnuts in this thread.

I forget that people think that's a news show.

 

[mercury14]

Actually, population growth is increasingly being driven by births once again.

Thanks to immigrant births.

 

[CandiCame]

Just out of curiosity- I've never encountered this in the really real world. What's this obsession with population growth? The rest of the world's trying to slow it down, and here on lit there are people who want to speed it up? What's up with that?

 

[mercury14]

The Nixon administration commisioned a bi-partisan study in the early 70s on immigration and it concluded that there would be no net benefit from continued population growth. We had almost 200 million less people then.

When you do the math, population growth is a net drain on the economy.

Googling "Nixon immigration study" returns nothing. like that.

 

[mercury14]

Just out of curiosity- I've never encountered this in the really real world. What's this obsession with population growth? The rest of the world's trying to slow it down, and here on lit there are people who want to speed it up? What's up with that?

Every European nation from Germany and Italy eastward is experiencing population decline. Japan and South Korea are as well. I think the US might be as well if it wasn't for immigration.

 

[CandiCame]

Every European nation from Germany and Italy eastward is experiencing population decline. Japan and South Korea are as well. I think the US might be as well if it wasn't for immigration.

We are- I understand that. I don't understand why the people on this board are acting like that's a bad thing.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We are- I understand that. I don't understand why the people on this board are acting like that's a bad thing.

History.

When in decline the great centers of civilization experienced falling birth rates and offset them with the importation of labor, labor which did not assimilate, but replaced, the problem being that the replacement was less civilized than what went before to the detriment of the civilization.

When Rome fell, we had the Dark Ages.

When we fall, what will be waiting to fill the void? Sharia?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One of the problems we face with immigration is that the educated and funded have to wait in line while the uneducated and unfunded just walk across the border and are granted the virtual rights of citizenship and largess of the treasuries...

 

[mercury14]

History.

When in decline the great centers of civilization experienced falling birth rates and offset them with the importation of labor, labor which did not assimilate, but replaced, the problem being that the replacement was less civilized than what went before to the detriment of the civilization.

When Rome fell, we had the Dark Ages.

When we fall, what will be waiting to fill the void? SPOOKY SHARIA?

So mexican immigrants are going to ultimately bring Sharia Law into America, somehow repealing the Constitution in the process.