More on the Flynn case

[Rotadom]

The Democrat Party is the most destructive force in America today. Just look at the places where they govern, what they've done to innocent people in the last eight years. The time for debate and compromise is over. it's time to destroy them politically, prosecute them legally, and sweep the vermin out of office. It's time to humiliate them publicly, ridicule their ideology, and sweep it from the minds of our youth. It's time to put them in the closet. It's time to see them for what they really are. It's time to stand up. So fuck off with your phony bullshit.

Like you were ever going to entertain the middle ground.

 

[icanhelp1]

The sad news is, we are no longer a united people. On one side we have Americans, on the other we have those who want to be Americans in a country vastly different than the one we've lived in. The only way we're going to keep our country and our American values is to defeat these people on every level. We now know what it will look like if we don't. They don't want to debate, find middle ground, or come together. They want us out of the way. They want it all. It's time to take them on and defeat them. See you at the polls in a 170 days or so.

Also, gone are the days of the Walter Cronkites of the world, having a MSM that was interested in protecting the constitution and not party loyalty is long gone. This change in media reporting happened when Obama came on to the scene and big elites lefty money moguls buying up media platforms that spew forth looney bulshit, my opinion, going by what my experiences are. If you eliminate the teachings of the constitution in our schools we're doomed to having our children brainwashed to a socialist agenda. Liberalism is being conflated with socialism and progressivism and individualism is in peril, group think is taking over.

 

[Adre]

The Democrat Party is the most destructive force in America today. Just look at the places where they govern, what they've done to innocent people in the last eight years. The time for debate and compromise is over. it's time to destroy them politically, prosecute them legally, and sweep the vermin out of office. It's time to humiliate them publicly, ridicule their ideology, and sweep it from the minds of our youth. It's time to put them in the closet. It's time to see them for what they really are. It's time to stand up. So fuck off with your phony bullshit.

Actually it’s time to evaluate where Republicans govern:

These states have the highest percentages of poverty in the country: Mississippi, New Mexico, Louisiana, West Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.

Moronic ideologues like Reichguide overlook reality in favor of their simplistic fantasy worlds. There are reasons Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, California, Oregon, Washington, and Maryland are some of the richest and best educated states in the US, and Republican leadership ain’t one of them.

 

[Rightguide]

Also, gone are the days of the Walter Cronkites of the world, having a MSM that was interested in protecting the constitution and not party loyalty is long gone. This change in media reporting happened when Obama came on to the scene and big elites lefty money moguls buying up media platforms that spew forth looney bulshit, my opinion, going by what my experiences are. If you eliminate the teachings of the constitution in our schools we're doomed to having our children brainwashed to a socialist agenda. Liberalism is being conflated with socialism and progressivism and individualism is in peril, group think is taking over.

factoid: It's up to us to defend our values. We're only 18 years away from chaos and barbarism if we fail to do so.

 

[icanhelp1]

Actually it’s time to evaluate where Republicans govern:

These states have the highest percentages of poverty in the country: Mississippi, New Mexico, Louisiana, West Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.

Moronic ideologues like Reichguide overlook reality in favor of their simplistic fantasy worlds. There are reasons Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, California, Oregon, Washington, and Maryland are some of the richest and best educated states in the US, and Republican leadership ain’t one of them.

Why are the richest most affluent townships, mostly (D)s, always surrounded by the highest numbers of homeless, disease, alcohol and drug abuse? Most of those blue states you brag about are up to their ass in debt and the highest tax rates. They're poor they just don't know it!

 

[Rightguide]

Actually it’s time to evaluate where Republicans govern:

These states have the highest percentages of poverty in the country: Mississippi, New Mexico, Louisiana, West Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.

Moronic ideologues like Reichguide overlook reality in favor of their simplistic fantasy worlds. There are reasons Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, California, Oregon, Washington, and Maryland are some of the richest and best educated states in the US, and Republican leadership ain’t one of them.

New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, Baltimore, all failing social laboratories of Democrat Marxist social tinkering. The stupid Democrat governor of your beloved and educated New York just killed more of his people than the 9-11 hijackers did, by ordering CCP Virus infected seniors into rest homes instead of hospitals, The city of New York is governed by a brainless goose stepping idiot. The Democrat Mayors of Los Angeles and Seattle have created filthy slum conditions that rival Calcutta. Chicago and Baltimore are more dangerous to walk around in than the streets of Iraq. The only places in American where freedom still rings are governed by Republicans.

 

[DeluxAuto]

New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, Baltimore, all failing social laboratories of Democrat Marxist social tinkering. The stupid Democrat governor of your beloved and educated New York just killed more of his people than the 9-11 hijackers did, by ordering CCP Virus infected seniors into rest homes instead of hospitals, The city of New York is governed by a brainless goose stepping idiot. The Democrat Mayors of Los Angeles and Seattle have created filthy slum conditions that rival Calcutta. Chicago and Baltimore are more dangerous to walk around in than the streets of Iraq. The only places in American where freedom still rings are governed by Republicans.

Trump could have saved at least 27,000 people if he acted in a timely manner.

You're nothing but a right-wing shill.

 

[icanhelp1]

Trump could have saved at least 27,000 people if he acted in a timely manner.

You're nothing but a right-wing shill.

Trump did act, blocking China travel, and so did Nancy, de Blasio, Cuomo and Cantrell, telling their people to act as if the virus was nothing to fear. Try telling the truth once in a while.

Just curious, where'd you pluck them numbers from?

 

[HisArpy]

He said he wouldn't sign a bad bill without substantial changes. So we'll see. I hope you're wrong.

Trump cannot afford to not sign it. Without it the US is vulnerable.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump cannot afford to not sign it. Without it the US is vulnerable.

He should veto it and order a 60 day extension of the existing law and demand stronger punishments for violations and insist on a federal court warrant to surveil any American citizen and remind the country and the Congress this is The "Foreign" Intelligence Surveillance Act.

 

[HisArpy]

He should veto it and order a 60 day extension of the existing law and demand stronger punishments for violations and insist on a federal court warrant to surveil any American citizen and remind the country and the Congress this is The "Foreign" Intelligence Surveillance Act.

He doesn't have that authority.

What he SHOULD do is let it sit on his desk while McConnell and crew in the Senate get together to draft a replacement to offer after he vetoes it. then, while the screaming is going on from the Demmies, the Senate passes the replacement and sends it to the House.

What are they going to do then? There's no FISA, and they need FISA, and there's a Bill right there...

 

[schism666]

look out! derp and vette are battling it out for supreme internet lawyer of lit.


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[SgtSpiderMan]

Why doesn't Trump just pardon him?

 

[icanhelp1]

He doesn't have that authority.

What he SHOULD do is let it sit on his desk while McConnell and crew in the Senate get together to draft a replacement to offer after he vetoes it. then, while the screaming is going on from the Demmies, the Senate passes the replacement and sends it to the House.

What are they going to do then? There's no FISA, and they need FISA, and there's a Bill right there...

I think the bigger problem is it has bi-partisan support, not sure if its veto proof?

 

[HisArpy]

look out! derp and vette are battling it out for supreme internet lawyer of lit.


https://i.giphy.com/media/1n3Icv3iptOCmN7uYh/giphy.webp

It was a hard fought battle between us and the ultimate result was a tie. A Russian tie.

We had it embroidered with all the names of the other worthwhile contestants. Your name isn't on the list.

 

[HisArpy]

I think the bigger problem is it has bi-partisan support, not sure if its veto proof?

Of course it has bi-partisan support. The Government NEEDS the power it gives them.

Like I said, what Trump should do is let it sit while Congress works out a replacement that actually fixes the bad and abusive parts. If everyone understands that's what he wants and gets on board, Trump can veto the one and sign the other.

He won't because he doesn't want the distraction and political gamesmanship that will happen heading into an election.

Which means he'll sign it.

 

[icanhelp1]

factoid: It's up to us to defend our values. We're only 18 years away from chaos and barbarism if we fail to do so.

Hard to compete with a party that rewards complacency by giving away the store to people who don't earn it from people who work hard for it. Wealth distribution ( dems platform ) is ruining this country. Next up are endless torts and frivolous lawsuits.

 

[KeithD]

Hard to compete with a party that rewards complacency by giving away the store to people who don't earn it from people who work hard for it. Wealth distribution ( dems platform ) is ruining this country. Next up are endless torts and frivolous lawsuits.

Don't you think you're being a little hard on the Republican Party and corporate CEOs?

 

[Rightguide]

I just saw a headline on FOX that Judge Sullivan has hired the Covington law firm that Flynn fired, ostensibly to represent him in defending his actions against the DOJ dismissal of charges against Flynn. Too friggin' bizarre for words.

 

[HisArpy]

I just saw a headline on FOX that Judge Sullivan has hired the Covington law firm that Flynn fired, ostensibly to represent him in defending his actions against the DOJ dismissal of charges against Flynn. Too friggin' bizarre for words.

The firm (& attorney) has to file a notice with the Appeals court that they are representing Sullivan. They are expected to do that on Tuesday.

I'm not sure the appeals court will accept it. I'm also not sure the appeals court has the authority to reject it.

I am POSITIVE that this is the worlds stupidest idea.

 

[Rightguide]

The firm (& attorney) has to file a notice with the Appeals court that they are representing Sullivan. They are expected to do that on Tuesday.

I'm not sure the appeals court will accept it. I'm also not sure the appeals court has the authority to reject it.

I am POSITIVE that this is the worlds stupidest idea.

So the judge thinks he's has found a way to insert his own brand of amicus curiae into the issue after all? They gave him ten days to answer the motion to dismiss. I wonder if the Circuit Court is going to put up with this distraction or flat out dismiss the charges themselves.

 

[HisArpy]

So the judge thinks he's has found a way to insert his own brand of amicus curiae into the issue after all? They gave him ten days to answer the motion to dismiss. I wonder if the Circuit Court is going to put up with this distraction or flat out dismiss the charges themselves.

I don't think this is about dismissal. If it was, it isn't any longer.

The FRCP and precedent say that the case has to be dismissed. The appeals court could have easily reversed the Court's order(s) and remanded the matter back to the trial court with an order to dismiss. This would have been proper and simple to do.

They didn't.

The 10 days to respond is about something else. Sullivan hired an attorney firm because he knows it's about something else. The problem is that I'm not sure Sullivan knows what the "something else" is.

He's facing possible removal and ethics violations sanctions. There could be potential civil charges (violation/deprivation of civil rights) that his judicial immunity won't cover if it could be shown that he used his position and authority in an intentionally malicious way. If he thinks that he's going to be able to set the stage for his defense using some kind of "standing up against Trump" social justice thing to try and save his ass, he's wrong.

Courts of Appeal don't call trial judges on the carpet to ask them about their political philosophy. I think the 10 days was a cooling off period designed to get Sullivan to step back and figure out a way to say "oops, I'm sorry." That would have gotten him off the hook.

This move, however, is going to make it worse. I can't see how the higher court has any option now except to refer him to the ethics commission.

 

[Rightguide]

I don't think this is about dismissal. If it was, it isn't any longer.

The FRCP and precedent say that the case has to be dismissed. The appeals court could have easily reversed the Court's order(s) and remanded the matter back to the trial court with an order to dismiss. This would have been proper and simple to do.

They didn't.

The 10 days to respond is about something else. Sullivan hired an attorney firm because he knows it's about something else. The problem is that I'm not sure Sullivan knows what the "something else" is.

He's facing possible removal and ethics violations sanctions. There could be potential civil charges (violation/deprivation of civil rights) that his judicial immunity won't cover if it could be shown that he used his position and authority in an intentionally malicious way. If he thinks that he's going to be able to set the stage for his defense using some kind of "standing up against Trump" social justice thing to try and save his ass, he's wrong.

Courts of Appeal don't call trial judges on the carpet to ask them about their political philosophy. I think the 10 days was a cooling off period designed to get Sullivan to step back and figure out a way to say "oops, I'm sorry." That would have gotten him off the hook.

This move, however, is going to make it worse. I can't see how the higher court has any option now except to refer him to the ethics commission.

He scheduled hearings in July for amici and had obvious plans to string this out for months, but that 10 day limit was a modern day broadside into the wooden hull of that notion. I think you're right about Sullivan's concerns for his possible misconduct, but only Congress can remove him from office.

 

[HisArpy]

He scheduled hearings in July for amici and had obvious plans to string this out for months, but that 10 day limit was a modern day broadside into the wooden hull of that notion. I think you're right about Sullivan's concerns for his possible misconduct, but only Congress can remove him from office.

If he's found guilty of severe ethics violations, he will be required to sit on the sidelines pending an inquiry into whether he should be removed or not. IF the outcome is that he should be removed, the removal will be faster and easier without political ideology interfering due to the ethics violations and inquiry. It'll be almost pro forma at that point.

He's in some deep shit. All that remains is to find out how serious the Appellate Court is about enforcing the rules. That he decided to hire outside counsel tells the court that he's stubborn and isn't going to obey them if he doesn't feel like it. That's a very bad thing to do.

 

[bellisarius]

If he's found guilty of severe ethics violations, he will be required to sit on the sidelines pending an inquiry into whether he should be removed or not. IF the outcome is that he should be removed, the removal will be faster and easier without political ideology interfering due to the ethics violations and inquiry. It'll be almost pro forma at that point.

He's in some deep shit. All that remains is to find out how serious the Appellate Court is about enforcing the rules. That he decided to hire outside counsel tells the court that he's stubborn and isn't going to obey them if he doesn't feel like it. That's a very bad thing to do.

Almost as if he's being coached. *chuckle*