More about Common Core

[Boxlicker101]

Anybody want to read more about this stupid idea?

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/common-core-parent-facebook-post-indiana-school-181841158.html

I believe the only people who favor it are bureaucrats at the DOE, who should all be declared redundant anyhow.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Anybody want to read more about this stupid idea?

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/common-core-parent-facebook-post-indiana-school-181841158.html

I believe the only people who favor it are bureaucrats at the DOE, who should all be declared redundant anyhow.

What makes you so sure that has anything to do with Common Core?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I hope someday someone will make an intelligent argument against Common Core. Usually they are things like this that basically come down to either "I haven't been to school in decades" and "My school was so advanced they never taught us to count on our fingers."

 

[snugglestruggle]

Why do we need common core? What is it going to do that the DOE couldn't?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Why do we need common core? What is it going to do that the DOE couldn't?

The DOE is the one trying to implement Common Core. They like it because;
1. It makes the material more rigorous.
2. Students have to be able to prove they know how to do the work.
3. Sets a metric.

 

[snugglestruggle]

All of that sounds good but I have reservations. I think there will be the tendency to teach to the test if raises are dependent on test results.

Call me crazy but did the DOE just figure out we spend more money on education than any other country and we rank far down the list of industrial nations? Where have they been for the last 25yrs?

 

[Wrong Element]

Anybody want to read more about this stupid idea?

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/common-core-parent-facebook-post-indiana-school-181841158.html

I believe the only people who favor it are bureaucrats at the DOE, who should all be declared redundant anyhow.

It's not a DOE initiative. From the Common Core website:


The state-led effort to develop the Common Core State Standards was launched in 2009 by state leaders, including governors and state commissioners of education from 48 states, two territories and the District of Columbia, through their membership in the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). State school chiefs and governors recognized the value of consistent, real-world learning goals and launched this effort to ensure all students, regardless of where they live, are graduating high school prepared for college, career, and life.


I'm not pointing that out in defense of Common Core because I don't really have an opinion on it; just doing my part to promote accuracy on the GB.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

All of that sounds good but I have reservations. I think there will be the tendency to teach to the test if raises are dependent on test results.

Call me crazy but did the DOE just figure out we spend more money on education than any other country and we rank far down the list of industrial nations? Where have they been for the last 25yrs?

Well, yeah.

We don't spend more than other countries.

 

[RjThoughts]

Thank God my son's in college, where he doesn't have to write letters explaining how he integrates

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's not a DOE initiative. From the Common Core website:


The state-led effort to develop the Common Core State Standards was launched in 2009 by state leaders, including governors and state commissioners of education from 48 states, two territories and the District of Columbia, through their membership in the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). State school chiefs and governors recognized the value of consistent, real-world learning goals and launched this effort to ensure all students, regardless of where they live, are graduating high school prepared for college, career, and life.


I'm not pointing that out in defense of Common Core because I don't really have an opinion on it; just doing my part to promote accuracy on the GB.

I believe Arne Duncan is fully behind it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

What makes you so sure that has anything to do with Common Core?

The fact that it is described as such in the link.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The fact that it is described as such in the link.

Got it. So if someone who you don't know says it's Common Core, it must be Common Core. Links on the internet are always 100% accurate.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I hope someday someone will make an intelligent argument against Common Core. Usually they are things like this that basically come down to either "I haven't been to school in decades" and "My school was so advanced they never taught us to count on our fingers."

In this case, they require an extremely involved method to solve an extremely simple problem. You can look at the problem and solve it in two seconds. It actually takes longer to write down the answer than to solve the problem.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

In this case, they require an extremely involved method to solve an extremely simple problem. You can look at the problem and solve it in two seconds. It actually takes longer to write down the answer than to solve the problem.

The question isn't asking what 427-316 is.

 

[RjThoughts]

The question isn't asking what 427-316 is.

Was that link showing Math or Logic homework?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Was that link showing Math or Logic homework?

Looks like a math problem.

 

[RjThoughts]

Looks like a math problem.

Gah! I didn't do proofs until 10th, for Geometry

 

[Sean Renaud]

In this case, they require an extremely involved method to solve an extremely simple problem. You can look at the problem and solve it in two seconds. It actually takes longer to write down the answer than to solve the problem.

Except that's not true, it's an extremely simple break down. It's literally counting on your fingers except using little humps. When I was in school they gave us blocks and and blue=1, Red=10, Orange=100. And we did similar exercises. You can solve that problem just by looking at it, you're an adult. Were you born being able to solve the problem? It takes longer to go fetch two apples put them in front of a child and then take one away and ask him how many are left but we don't consider that an "extremely involved method of solving an extremely simple problem." We call it visualization. It might be annoying if the child is beyond that point in their development but it ain't complicated and if they can't solve it we've got a fairly serious problem.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Except that's not true, it's an extremely simple break down. It's literally counting on your fingers except using little humps. When I was in school they gave us blocks and and blue=1, Red=10, Orange=100. And we did similar exercises. You can solve that problem just by looking at it, you're an adult. Were you born being able to solve the problem? It takes longer to go fetch two apples put them in front of a child and then take one away and ask him how many are left but we don't consider that an "extremely involved method of solving an extremely simple problem." We call it visualization. It might be annoying if the child is beyond that point in their development but it ain't complicated and if they can't solve it we've got a fairly serious problem.

It's an extremely simple arithmetic problem. When I was in Second Grade, it would have been presented to us as:

427
-316

We would have looked at it and said: "Seven minus six is one" and placed a 1 under the right column. Then we would have said "Two minus one is one" and placed a 1 under the middle column. Then we would have said "Four minus three is one" and placed a 1 under the left column. This was a simple problem; later we learned about borrowing and carrying. (when adding)

What on Earth is this about colored blocks.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The question isn't asking what 427-316 is.

Of course it is. What else could it be? It is a simple arithmetic problem.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Of course it is. What else could it be? It is a simple arithmetic problem.

No it isn't. It's asking the student to find Jack's mistake and to tell Jack how to fix the mistake.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's an extremely simple arithmetic problem. When I was in Second Grade, it would have been presented to us as:

427
-316

We would have looked at it and said: "Seven minus six is one" and placed a 1 under the right column. Then we would have said "Two minus one is one" and placed a 1 under the middle column. Then we would have said "Four minus three is one" and placed a 1 under the left column. This was a simple problem; later we learned about borrowing and carrying. (when adding)

What on Earth is this about colored blocks.

You're either a lot younger than you've always let on or lying. I'm better the latter though.

Again this is no different from giving kids apples and taking them away and asking them to count. If they can't do this like the original post claims then they need to learn.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You're either a lot younger than you've always let on or lying. I'm better the latter though.

Again this is no different from giving kids apples and taking them away and asking them to count. If they can't do this like the original post claims then they need to learn.

I'm 74 years old and, when I went to elementary school, it was before the advent of "New Math." We learned arithmetic through drill: 2 + 2 = 4; 2 + 3 = 5; 2 + 4 = 6, etc. This was the method that had been used for centuries, and American students were the equal of students in any other nation. If my grandchildren are being instructed in any other way, I may have to take it upon myself to teach them, using flash cards.

 

[Sean Renaud]

74? Then you're lying. I've seen the math books from the 50's. Even then they didn't learn in high school what kids today learn in 5th grade. These kids literally forgotten more math than you were taught in K-12. So carry on. I'm done with this.

 

[Boxlicker101]

74? Then you're lying. I've seen the math books from the 50's. Even then they didn't learn in high school what kids today learn in 5th grade. These kids literally forgotten more math than you were taught in K-12. So carry on. I'm done with this.

The fifties? I started grade school in 1944 and, by the fifties, had completed the basics of arithmetic and had learned some elements of Algebra and Geometry. I can't believe Euclidian Geometry and Trigonometry would have been taught in fifth grade.