Moderators on the GB?

[Debbie]

You've already done that, though.

He left and came back again. How many times now ******* ?

 

[Byron In Exile]

What? Become champion then shill euthanasia?

No, you already left Lit forever.

That's like DCL promising to jump the shark again.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Moderators on the GB?

This forum is beyond 'management' in the conventional sense of the word.

Leave it to Ishmael to toss the cold damp washrag of reality into the mashed potatoes.

 

[*******]

I've never used the word forever before...

 

[Ishmael]

I hear what you are saying Ish.

But I sense that some of the many need to be reassured.

I personally don't want to bug Laurel and say, "Hey. There are some concerns about someone hacking PMs."

Ducky has stated that Laurel is informed/involved and at this point that is more than enough for me.

Is it a coincidence that there have been more than one person on lit who has had their hotmail or yahoo email account hacked lately?

Yahoo and hotmail accounts are relatively easy to hack. Yahoo IM used to be as well. Totally unrelated to Lit. though.

Hacking PM's is a whole different ball game. The only way that can occur is to have the users password, or access to the database. If you can get into the database then the PM's are the least of anyones problems. If the users password has been hacked, it's usually because they've become careless.

User passwords on vBulletin are encrypted using a MD5 hash and even Laurel can't read the passwords.

This BS has come up on a perrenial basis. Started with Lance a few years ago.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moderators on the GB?

Leave it to Ishmael to toss the cold damp washrag of reality into the mashed potatoes.

*chuckle*

Ishmael

 

[Killswitch]

I don't see how having a GB moderator would have made any substantive change in either the Obliterator or the KS/BS situations.

Do I need to remind you that my name was plastered all over the front page of that thread by BlackSnake? Which is a SERIOUS violation.....maybe the most egregious violation of the rules one could make.

And let me reiterrate what hap[pened there.

I reported him to the website where he was hosting photos under the assumption that he was hacking server space from them ILLEGALY. Im not completely convinced his side of the story that he works there and got in trouble was true, but I did accept it as true at the time.

At any rate....I did do it because he pissed me off, and for that reason alone my motivation was sketchy so...I should not have done it.




We already are Moderated folks.....and it works pretty good vs being able to feel free here. Its a really rare experience to be able to be free to speak your mind on a BB.

Its not whether we should be moderated, because we are, everyone is, but its a matter of How Much moderation and when.

Im all for having someone, ( like trusted mods of other forums) having the ability to at least edit posts, or put them on "Hold for Review" by Laurel.

Theres too much personal info floating around out there and we need someone who can respond fairly quickly to edit, or hold posts back that obviously contain things like names, addys etc etc.


Its a tricky deal....thats why Im glad Im not involved.

Bottom line is we all play by and manipulate any set of rules or guidlines to our own ends.

We all do.

 

[*******]

I sure the hell have been moderated for expressing my opinions...

 

[Killswitch]

We all have. And rightfully so, probably.

 

[*******]

In my case, it wasn't right.

I just said something Laurel and her friends didn't like...

 

[bg23]

That would be redundant since there are already two de facto moderated GBs: the How To Cafe and Author's Hangout.

the author's hangout isn't moderated, is it?

 

[Byron In Exile]

the author's hangout isn't moderated, is it?

SHHH!! That's the secret escape route if the GB ever gets moderated!

Dammit my wives are too sharp.

 

[Byron In Exile]

In my case, it wasn't right.

I just said something Laurel and her friends didn't like...

Say it again and let's see if anything happens!

 

[bg23]

SHHH!! That's the secret escape route if the GB ever gets moderated!

Dammit my wives are too sharp.

you're mocking me again. i didn't read the whole thread, so i didn't see if someone had said something. so sue me.

 

[*******]

Oh, I've said it several times since...

The shock value has worn off.

 

[linuxgeek]

I'll gladly clarify my position, I can understand how it might seem contradictory.

I believe the GB and the GLBT board are very different in purpose. The GB is, as the name makes clear, is a forum open for discussion of any subject. The GLBT, on the other hand, is dedicated to discussion of a defined range of topics. The former needs not be moderated in regard to subject matter, the latter does.

Unless I have missed it between this thread and the one I started, I don't think anyone has asked for a moderator on the GB to police subject matter. The policing wanted is timely enforcement of the website guildelines.

There is no gray area on what is personally information and what is a threat (#4 &#5). It either is or it isn't. The whole wishy-washy copout of whether something is a "credible" threat is bullshit. The only reason to not want these rules enforced actively is because a person has plans of violating them.

 

[Byron In Exile]

There is no gray area on what is personally information and what is a threat (#4 &#5). It either is or it isn't. The whole wishy-washy copout of whether something is a "credible" threat is bullshit. The only reason to not want these rules enforced actively is because a person has plans of violating them.

In ten minutes, I will destroy the entire State of Florida with my disintegrator ray cannon.

So report me with what time you have left.

 

[linuxgeek]

In ten minutes, I will destroy the entire State of Florida with my disintegrator ray cannon.

So report me with what time you have left.

fine... there is no gray area with the way the rule is written.

 

[Cheyenne]

I was simply attempting to illustrate to you that sometimes, history does not a person make.

But it does give you a pretty good insight into their integrity when they think no one can see what they are doing and they won't be caught.

 

[Equinoxe]

Unless I have missed it between this thread and the one I started, I don't think anyone has asked for a moderator on the GB to police subject matter. The policing wanted is timely enforcement of the website guildelines.

There is no gray area on what is personally information and what is a threat (#4 &#5). It either is or it isn't. The whole wishy-washy copout of whether something is a "credible" threat is bullshit. The only reason to not want these rules enforced actively is because a person has plans of violating them.

Nevertheless, I think there is a question as to whether there could be such a strict constructionist on the matter. Can someone be trusted with the power to do these the right thing when that will also give them the power to do the wrong thing?

 

[Cheyenne]

Draah's deliberate lack of action did in fact cause REAL harm to a person who wanted thier personal info removed from the board.

Okay, now I see why you started a thread to "prove" Lavy and friends wrong. The problem is that you had more information than the rest of the board about the harm being caused to someone due to Draah not moderating personal info off the board when requested to. (Although the request went to the standard "report thread to moderator" information location, right? You just know after the fact that Draah had access at the time.) The rest of us didn't know the person being hurt in rl. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just happened off the board so we didn't see.

While Draah's deliberate lack of action may have hurt someone in real life, did she know that would be the effect when she didn't moderate as requested? Did she purposely not moderate with the intent to hurt someone?

 

[John Doe]

FASCISM

 

[LadyG]

Okay, now I see why you started a thread to "prove" Lavy and friends wrong. The problem is that you had more information than the rest of the board about the harm being caused to someone due to Draah not moderating personal info off the board when requested to. (Although the request went to the standard "report thread to moderator" information location, right? You just know after the fact that Draah had access at the time.) The rest of us didn't know the person being hurt in rl. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just happened off the board so we didn't see.

While Draah's deliberate lack of action may have hurt someone in real life, did she know that would be the effect when she didn't moderate as requested? Did she purposely not moderate with the intent to hurt someone?

From what I read, she actually told someone how to post info on the board in question and when the person did, it was left up for a long long time...she didnt' remove it. So yeah, I would say it was deliberate.

 

[hogjack]

FASCISM

Don't knock fascism. They always have cool uniforms.

 

[Equinoxe]

From what I read, she actually told someone how to post info on the board in question and when the person did, it was left up for a long long time...she didnt' remove it. So yeah, I would say it was deliberate.

I believe that is Bluesboy2's contention, yes. Not only that she didn't act, but was in on it in the first place.

From what I read in the logs when he posted them, I could definitely see how he came to that conclusion, although I don't know anything about the situation in question.