Miranda Rights

Just found this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A593688), and it answers a lot of my questions:

What is Miranda?

Everyone who has watched an American police show, such as Dragnet, has heard these warnings. Most people can probably recite them as well as the police. Miranda warnings are based on the landmark United States case Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436 (1966). The warnings are required to be read during 'custodial interrogations'. This means that whenever a person is under arrest, and they are asked a question about a crime, these rights must be read to them. They must also understand these rights, and waive them voluntarily.

Who Was this Miranda?

Ernesto Miranda was arrested for kidnapping and rape by the Phoenix, Arizona police. He was taken to the police department where he was identified by the complainant. Then he was taken to an interrogation room, and two hours later he signed a confession. The confession was the principle basis for Miranda's conviction.

After the Supreme Court's decision, Miranda was re-tried without his statement. He was convicted again, and he served time in prison.

After he was released, Miranda was killed in a bar fight. A suspect was arrested. Officers read the killer his Miranda rights, but he wouldn't speak with them. There wasn't enough evidence to convict him. So, ironically, Miranda's killer got off because of the Miranda vs Arizona case.

Arguments for Miranda

The basic argument for Miranda warnings is that they notify suspects of their rights during a very stressful time. Since a person is being held away from friends in a strange environment, the warning helps them understand what is happening and what they can do.

There are some district attorneys and police officers that like Miranda. They make suppression hearings very simple. If a prosecutor can prove that Miranda was read and waived properly, then any admissions are assumed to be voluntary. It simplifies motion to suppress hearings.

Arguments against Miranda

Miranda has several flaws. First, people are supposed to know the law and the cliché, 'ignorance of the law is no excuse', is based on common law. People are assumed to be familiar with the law, and they are held responsible for that knowledge. Why should there be this one exception?

Secondly, the Miranda warnings are a part of American culture. Virtually everybody knows them. No one needs to have them read to them any longer.

Finally, the whole series of cases that led up to Miranda were geared towards proving that confessions were voluntary. Miranda ignores whether or not the statements are voluntary if the warnings haven't been read. If a person gives a voluntary confession it shouldn't be suppressed because they hadn't heard the warning. Even if a criminal defence attorney is interrogated, and these rights aren't read to him, his statements can be suppressed. The warnings have become an anachronism.

Myths about Miranda

Miranda is a much misunderstood decision and there are numerous misconceptions about what the decision means.

Officers Must Read the Miranda Warnings whenever they Arrest Someone

This comes from the curious fascination of directors having television cops read Miranda whenever they make an arrest. It's very dramatic, but it isn't necessary1. Officers are only required to read the Miranda warnings when someone is:

* In custody
* Being interrogated

If a person is arrested, and the officer doesn't have any questions for him, then there's no reason to read the warning. However, some agencies do require their officers to read people their rights every time they arrest someone.

Anything Gained in Violation of Miranda is Inadmissible

There are several ways to get statements that technically violate Miranda into court. One method that is allowed by Harris vs New York 401 US 222 (1971) is, after a person has invoked their Miranda rights, to keep questioning the suspect. You can even tell the suspect, 'Look, you don't have to worry about anything you say from here on out. We can't use anything else you say in our case-in-chief'. This is all technically correct, but you can use any information he provides to impeach him at trial.

If he gets on the stand, and denies any of the facts he gave you in violation of Miranda, the prosecution can use those statements to impeach his credibility. They can't be used for their value as direct evidence, but they do show that he changes his story. The fact that they're incriminating statements given by him is irrelevant to his impeachment (but they sure are convenient).

There is also a public safety exception. If you arrest someone, and you think they have a gun, you can ask them about it, because it's a matter of public safety.

I Have to Be Read Miranda on Traffic Stops

The courts have ruled that traffic stops are brief stops where custody doesn't exist. Therefore, officers don't need to read you Miranda before asking questions on traffic stops.

Now, if an officer develops probable cause to make an arrest during a traffic stop, things become vague. It is sometimes difficult to know when you gain probable cause and when the situation changes between investigative detention and custodial arrest. The best thing to do is not to ask directly incriminating questions when it appears that there may be an arrest. It is especially important to not indicate that you are going to arrest before you're investigation is complete.

There was one instance where an officer's case was thrown out because he requested a wrecker and then continued to ask questions. The court held that the person was under arrest when the wrecker was called because they felt that in the officer's mind that person was going to be arrested at that point.

How to Apply the Miranda Warnings

Rule for reading Miranda is that if you are a uniformed officer don't. Unless the case is your case, and you feel that you're ready to interrogate the person, then don't read it. If the person you arrested is going to be interrogated by someone else, let them read the warnings.

If you just had to chase the suspect, and you used minimum necessary force to arrest them, they probably will not be well disposed towards you. If you read them Miranda, they're not going to co-operate. If they refuse to talk to you, then a detective can not re-read them later. When a person is taken to a detective, he is meeting a person who is not in a uniform. The perception is that they are being taken to a person in authority over the officers who 'abused' them. The detective will approach the person in a friendly manner. They are trained to minimise the impact of the warnings, and usually they can obtain a confession if they're allowed to ask the person questions pursuant to Miranda.

There are many ways to get around Miranda, and to minimise its impact on the suspect.

Don't Interrupt

Miranda only applies when a police officer asks a question. If a person volunteers information, then listen carefully. Turn on your pocket tape recorder (it should already have been on). Let him say his piece. Do not interrupt the guy to read him his warnings - he wants to say his piece.

People will do this. Numerous admissions have been taken while officers have filled out paperwork. People have a hard time sitting in silence when other people are around. They want to talk.

Once the person has had their say, you may want to ask, 'Look, do you want to talk to me about this?'. If they say yes, then read them their warnings, and ask your questions (see below).

It's rude, disrespectful and stupid to prevent someone from confessing. Any officer who does this should be suspended!

Don't Take Them into Custody

Detectives routinely ask suspects to come down to the station. Detectives question them without Miranda being read, and then they let them leave. When the suspect leaves, the detective goes to the judge for an arrest warrant. This is called the 'Catch and Release' programme.

Reading Miranda

If you have to read Miranda to someone, then there are some ways to minimize the warning's effects. It's always good to talk to a person. Ask questions that don't have anything to do with the crime. Good questions include, 'Tell me about where you grew up?' and 'Describe your high school'. This makes them comfortable, and it allows you to pick up on their cues for honesty and deception.

Then you read the statement very quickly. The warning can be prefaced by something like: 'Look I need to read this to you. We're not really supposed to talk to you until you sign'. It also helps to make light of it. The Miranda waiver forms generally have five places to initial and two places to sign. You can remind the suspect, 'Look we're part of the government, and we have to sign everything in triplicate'.

Once they've signed, stay on non-threatening subjects, and put them at ease. Then start asking pertinent questions. They may get tired of the exercise and try to talk to you outright.

Dickerson vs United States

Would it Really Have Overturned Miranda?

Dickerson vs United States was the case that everyone said would 'overturn' Miranda. Miranda v. Arizona allowed for other methods of ensuring the voluntariness of confessions. The court held that as long as the other methods were at least as effective as Miranda, they would be proper. This was also a court-created rule, rather than something required by the Constitution. So Congress enacted 18 USC 3501.

Section 3501 makes the admissibility of statements turn on whether or not they are voluntary. One of the possible ways of showing that they are voluntary is showing that Miranda warnings are read. This was the method clearly preferred by the code section, but it allowed for other methods such as showing that no coercion was used and so forth.

Dickerson was a bank robber who was questioned without being read his Miranda warnings. He made a motion to suppress, which was granted by the District Court. The Government appealed, and the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals found that the statement was voluntary and that it complied with section 3501. It also concluded that Miranda was not of Constitutional significance, therefore, Congress could modify it by statute. The decision of the Fourth Circuit was reversed by the Supreme Court.

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1 It's also a big mistake. Almost everyone will invoke their rights while being arrested.
 
It's a leftist position, DCL? You sure about that? It seems to me that when discussing this issue there is a great division between left and right and the leftist judges are the ones that uphold the Miranda principles to a greater extent.

If you read modern Supreme Court jurisprudence it is evident that Souter (who normally votes more moderate to left), Stevens and Ginsburg are those that consistently take a very firm position on the Fifth Amendment and Miranda warnings. It is Scalia and Thomas, with Rehnquist close behind, that assert that Miranda was never specifically mentioned in the Constitution and thus was simply an example of the judicial activism of the Warren Court. In fact, in Scalia's dissent in Dickerson v. US, decided June 26, 2000, he specifically calls out the Justices who have stated in prior decisions that a violation of Miranda is not a violation of the Constitution. He points to decisions written by Kennedy, Rehnquist, and O'Connor - all conservative or more right-wing justices.

In 1966 in Miranda v. Arizona the Supreme Court found that an environment of police custodial interrogation was coercive enough to require prophylactic warnings. The Court found this only upon observation that such an environment can exert a heavy toll on individual liberty. The Court was concerned about an individuals Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate oneself as well as the right to counsel.

The specific holding of Miranda never spelled out the exact words the arresting officer must use. The holding simply stated that the prosecution may not use statements, whether exculpatory or inculpatory, stemming from custodial interrogation of the defendant unless it demonstrates the use of procedural safeguards effective to secure the privilege against self-incrimination.

"As for the procedural safeguards to be employed, unless other fully effective means are devised to inform accused persons of their right of silence and to assure a continuous opportunity to exercise it, the following measures are required. Prior to any questioning, the person must be warned that he has a right to remain silent, that any statement he does make may be used as evidence against him, and that he has a right to the presence of an attorney, either retained or appointed. The defendant may waive effectuation of these rights, provided the waiver is made voluntarily, knowingly and intelligently. If, however, he indicates in any manner and at any stage of the process that he wishes to consult with an attorney before speaking there can be no questioning. Likewise, if the individual is alone and indicates in any manner that he does not wish to be interrogated, the police may not question him. The mere fact that he may have answered some questions or volunteered some statements on his own does not deprive him of the right to refrain from answering any further inquiries until he has consulted with an attorney and thereafter consents to be questioned."

The Miranda warnings are especially necessary when there may be accomplices to crime - since this is what happened in the cases preceding Miranda. An alleged accomplice could accuse someone of a crime and the accused could be faced with such a confession without ever hearing of his/her rights.

The way the court has interpreted it recently, it isn't that the specific words of Miranda are stated, but that the procedural safeguards must be adhered to. Miranda is just one way to do this.
 
Probably a thread by itself....

An overseas American seviceman suspect in trouble with the Japs....

TOKYO (Reuters) - The United States said on Thursday it would not agree to Tokyo's request to hand over to Japanese authorities a U.S. Marine suspected of trying to rape a woman on Okinawa, home to most of the U.S. military bases in Japan.

The U.S. refusal comes at a time when public resentment toward U.S. forces is growing in Japan and South Korea, with calls to revise treaties governing the conduct of the U.S. troops in the two key U.S. allies.

Japan had demanded the U.S. military hand over Major Michael J. Brown, 39, who police allege tried to rape the woman in her car on November 2.

Japanese police have declined to give details about the woman, but Kyodo news agency said she was from the Philippines.

"We have informed the government of Japan in a December 5 meeting of the U.S.-Japan joint committee that the government of the United States is unable to agree to transfer custody in this case prior to indictment," the U.S. embassy in Tokyo said.

"The government of the United States has concluded that the circumstances of this case as presented by the government of Japan do not warrant departure from the standard practice as agreed between the United States and Japan," it added.

Under the Status of Forces Agreement governing the conduct of the U.S. military in Japan, the United States need not hand over suspects until they are charged by Japanese prosecutors, except in the case of "heinous crimes" such as rape and murder.

Residents of Okinawa have long resented what they see as their unfair burden in hosting 26,000 of the 48,000 U.S. military personnel in the country as part of the U.S.-Japan security alliance, a pillar of Tokyo's postwar foreign policy.

Incidents involving the U.S. military, including the notorious 1995 rape of a 12-year-old Japanese girl by three servicemen, have fanned the resentment and prompted calls to shift the troops elsewhere in Japan or reduce their number, which the central government -- anxious to avoid ruffling bilateral ties -- is in general keen to avoid.

In March this year, U.S. airman Timothy Woodland was found guilty of raping a Japanese woman in June 2001 and sentenced to 32 months in a Japanese jail.

*Actually I hope we pull out entirely, we'll be back later when they get imperialistic, it's in their blood....:D
 
lavender said:
It's a leftist position, DCL? You sure about that?

I tend to disregard how most people at Literotica define words like "left", "right", "liberal", "patriot", "troll", "atheism", "rubinesque", "intellectual property" and "pizza".
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
I tend to disregard how most people at Literotica define words like "left", "right", "liberal", "patriot", "troll", "atheism", "rubinesque", "intellectual property" and "pizza".

I define leftist as it is defined in the American political system. IF you are talking about leftist extremes, then I would agree it's a leftist position. But, it's only a leftist extreme position in the same way it's a rightest extreme position if we are looking at historical international perspective of left and right.
 
Is it just me...?

Problem Child said:
Seems to me that the cops should be bright enough to know that if the guy is speaking a foreign language they should find out what it is and get someone to read Miranda to them in that language before they interrogate them.

Are we really drowning in Taiwanese mass murderers that have been released because nobody read them their mirandas in their native tongue?

Am I the only one who thought about this point? If they are speaking another language other than the language which the officers who are arresting him speaks - does it really matter what he says? It would be in a different language, and those arresting him wouldn't be able to understand it anyways... ;) I dunno... that just sounds funny to me.

I know that it does matter if anyone else could hear/understand him... I agree with the requirement to read people their miranda rights. I also agree they need to be read in any case - whether the person is drunk, mentally slow, or speaks another language. Then when the person sobers up, they are able to find a translator, or someone else who can "reach" that person - they should be explained again.

Just thought I'd bring up that point about the language... ;)

FJ
 
Actually, the Miranda ruling is fairly specific (and close to what the C&P DCL did said).

The current court interpretation is that the only time a suspect must have the Miranda warning read to them is if they are both in custody and are being interrogated for a crime they have committed.

If you are not in custody, no Mirando. Ditto if you've been arrested and they've not asked any questions. If you're a material witness who has been detained for questioning, they are also not obliged to read the warning.

Police officers often read the warning under circumstances which might not be necessary mostly because they have no idea whether the current interpretations of the law are going to change underneath them. They're covering the ass of their case.

As far as I have read, much of what the Supreme Court will end up doing with their current case is cleaning up the various interpretations that other lesser courts have been sowing like grass seed. It's my feeling that they'll actually sharpen the blurred lines of this law to give police clear directions on when it is or is not necessary. They'll also take the "good faith" exception into account. That's important in foreign-language cases where the police officer doesn't know the person speaks another language and reads him Miranda in English and doesn't find out until much later that there's another language in play (and other such odd things).
 
My own opinion about the Miranda warnings is that it's unneccesary. You'd be incredibly hard pressed to find someone who doesn't know that if you've been arrested, you shouldn't say a single word to any police officer.

If there really are people that clueless, Miranda isn't goig to help them one bit. The police are already smarter than they and their most basic tricks once Miranda has been read is going to trip them up.
 
JazzManJim said:
My own opinion about the Miranda warnings is that it's unneccesary. You'd be incredibly hard pressed to find someone who doesn't know that if you've been arrested, you shouldn't say a single word to any police officer.

I totally disagree, Jim. There are a lot of people who are dumb enough to start babbling to the cops in the hopes that they'll be able to talk the police into releasing them. These people may be innocent, and they need proper representation. They are scared, or just plain ignorant, but that's still not a crime in America the last time I checked.

It's not asking too much for the police to take 30 seconds to read them their rights. A pox on the accused's house if he's dumb enough to disregard the warning to keep his mouth shut, but that's a different issue.

If there really are people that clueless, Miranda isn't goig to help them one bit. The police are already smarter than they and their most basic tricks once Miranda has been read is going to trip them up.

So we should deny stupid people a basic reminder of their constitutional rights? I'm surprised and a little disappointed, Jim.
 
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From what I'm gleaming, the court system still recognizes that people are responsible for knowing their own rights, even stupid people, and that goes with or without Miranda being read.
 
A good example of suspect behavior...

Watch the television program, "Cops." Man, watch the parrots babble their way into jail on a daily basis! Observe how the cops violate the 4th Amendment too, "do you have anything I might interpret as a weapon or drugs, do you mind if I look through your car?" Jeebus what a hoot!
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
From what I'm gleaming, the court system still recognizes that people are responsible for knowing their own rights, even stupid people, and that goes with or without Miranda being read.

Yeah, but like it says in your C&P and as Jim said, the police are still required to read them if the suspect is in custody and being interrogated, so whether a person is responsible to know them or not is sort of a moot point.

Obviously the court feels that it's not too big a burden on the police to take a minute and remind the suspect what their rights are.
 
Yes and no. It's not moot. It's still up to the court, eventually, to determine if a Mirand-free confession is given voluntarily. In other words, you don't automatically get off if a cop forgets, and you confess (as I thought). You're still liable to "common law" knowledge. You're still responsible to know your own rights. You can still be convicted on your confession, without Miranda.

I think Miranda makes it easier for the courts, but it is not the last word.
 
PC, you're right. There are tons of knuckleheads - even innocent ones - who babble everything they can think to a police officer in the hope that they'll be let go. Miranda doesn't help that. In fact, in my own personal experience, Miranda doesn't stop the babbling. I've seen plenty of knuckleheads ramble on right where the officer stopped them while he dutifully read the little card they're provided. Hell, I've seen these same people babble on while they were signing the sheet on which a Miranda warning was provided to the point where the officer had to tell them to shut up long enough to explain it to them.

There are no end of these folks and I don't see where Miranda stops that. It may, but I don't see it.

And no, there's nothing wrong in giving people the courtesy of reminding them of something that IMO they have an obligation to know anyhow. But should it be a requirement that we reward their ignorance? I'm not so sure about that.
 
Re: A good example of suspect behavior...

Lost Cause said:
Watch the television program, "Cops." Man, watch the parrots babble their way into jail on a daily basis! Observe how the cops violate the 4th Amendment too, "do you have anything I might interpret as a weapon or drugs, do you mind if I look through your car?" Jeebus what a hoot!


100% wrong. When police initiate any type of stop, there is a reason. And when you are driving it is all that much easier. Let me entertain you with a scenario.

You are driving along and I hear your music more than 50 feet away from your vehicle. (CVC 27007) I pull up behind you, I call in your plates and location I light you up. You pull over safely. You provide license, registration, and proof of insurance. I tell you of your offense. You get pissed. During this time I'm doing a "plain view search" of your vehicle. I notice what appears to be a small plastic Ziploc bag (1"x3") in your backseat. Your friend becomes nervous and moves his hands down by the seat in a furtive manner.

I now have 2 reasons to search your vehicle. The suspicious baggie which is in plain view, and your friend's furtive movement. The baggie comes up clean for any type of controlled substance. I have your friend step out of the car. I'm allowed to do a pat down search for weapons. (BTW weapons can be considered anything the size of a pager, we get regular bulletins of such small weapons). My hands never go into the waist line or neckline. I have your friend empty his rear pocket to remove his wallet. He steps off to the side of the vehicle, I'm allowed to search where his hands were, nothing more. He pulls out his wallet and a small hand rolled cigarette is poking from his wallet. I test it for THC and it pops positive. Guess what, I impound your vehicle, your friend goes to jail and you walk home.

So as far as the show "cops", what you think as being entrapment, really isn't.

(I suggest DCL go to the local DMV and buy a California Vehicle Code book for $4.) He'll have thread material for years if he ever gets that bored.
 
JazzManJim said:
PC, you're right. There are tons of knuckleheads - even innocent ones - who babble everything they can think to a police officer in the hope that they'll be let go.


Spontaneous utterances, we have to read your rights, we don't have to tell you to shut up.
 
Re: A good example of suspect behavior...

Lost Cause said:
Observe how the cops violate the 4th Amendment too, "do you have anything I might interpret as a weapon or drugs, do you mind if I look through your car?" Jeebus what a hoot!

That's called a consent search and it's completely legal. What makes it legal is that you can say "no" and the officer can't search any further. They don't have to tell you that, though.

So they ask the folks if they can search the car, the folks say "Yes", fully knowing that there's a half-ton of coke, fourteen illegal immigrant prostitutes, nine crates of automatic weapons, and Hanns in there and they're indignant when the handcuffs go "click".

I've seen that only a bazillion times!

Yo HeavyStick! I didn't know you were in that line of work! Very cool. :)
 
JazzManJim said:
PC, you're right. There are tons of knuckleheads - even innocent ones - who babble everything they can think to a police officer in the hope that they'll be let go. Miranda doesn't help that. In fact, in my own personal experience, Miranda doesn't stop the babbling. I've seen plenty of knuckleheads ramble on right where the officer stopped them while he dutifully read the little card they're provided. Hell, I've seen these same people babble on while they were signing the sheet on which a Miranda warning was provided to the point where the officer had to tell them to shut up long enough to explain it to them.

There are no end of these folks and I don't see where Miranda stops that. It may, but I don't see it.

And no, there's nothing wrong in giving people the courtesy of reminding them of something that IMO they have an obligation to know anyhow. But should it be a requirement that we reward their ignorance? I'm not so sure about that.

I disagree. Stupid people shouldn't be discriminated against for being stupid.

Harrassed and ridiculed on this board, yes, but they should still have their rights read to them.
 
Problem Child said:
I disagree. Stupid people shouldn't be discriminated against for being stupid.

Harrassed and ridiculed on this board, yes, but they should still have their rights read to them.

Hang on now. We wouldn't be discriminating against stupid people. We'd be treating them exactly the same way we treat everyone else. We're making sure the stupid don't get special treatment.

And where's the Board Miranda anyhow? :D
 
Problem Child said:
I disagree. Stupid people shouldn't be discriminated against for being stupid.

Harrassed and ridiculed on this board, yes, but they should still have their rights read to them.

The legal technicalities is worse than splitting hairs. My arrest to conviction percentage is 100% over a 5 year period. I agree with you 100% PC. Not all cops think like that. When I heard a suspect incriminate themself. I would interrupt them and read them their rights. Most people hate being interrupted and will continue to talk (and incriminate themselves even further).
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Maybe we should have a Literotica Miranda.

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