Mindfuck!! Explain it please.
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Evil_Geoff
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Mindfucks come in two varieties:
The first kind of mindfucks are negotiated scenes where the pyl WANTS something outrageously dangerous (or something the PYL is not willing to actually do for whatever reason) and the PYL figures out a way to do a mental "Bait and switch" so the pyl experiences a reasonable facsimile of the expected scene.
The other variety is not negotiated, in the sense that "You negotiated for a bondage and caning scene... SURPRISE! Now that you're all tied up, you're getting something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!"
The first kind I'm pretty much okay with. Giving the pyl the desired sensations, situation, feelings is okee-fine, particularly if it reduces the actual risk of injury/harm. The second variety has to be approached very carefully, or, as many have indicated, their trust in the PYL may be well and truly broken. Perhaps irrepairably. That's not a good thing.
Each person, each relationship, is different and careful thought and planning have to go into the mindfuck to make it work for ALL parties concerned, PYL and pyl. I don't expect everyone to appreciate or use mindfucks anymore than I expect everyone to appreciate or use canes, or scalpels, or needles or insert technique/toy here. As always, use what works for you and your partner, discard the rest.
The first kind of mindfucks are negotiated scenes where the pyl WANTS something outrageously dangerous (or something the PYL is not willing to actually do for whatever reason) and the PYL figures out a way to do a mental "Bait and switch" so the pyl experiences a reasonable facsimile of the expected scene.
The other variety is not negotiated, in the sense that "You negotiated for a bondage and caning scene... SURPRISE! Now that you're all tied up, you're getting something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!"
The first kind I'm pretty much okay with. Giving the pyl the desired sensations, situation, feelings is okee-fine, particularly if it reduces the actual risk of injury/harm. The second variety has to be approached very carefully, or, as many have indicated, their trust in the PYL may be well and truly broken. Perhaps irrepairably. That's not a good thing.
Each person, each relationship, is different and careful thought and planning have to go into the mindfuck to make it work for ALL parties concerned, PYL and pyl. I don't expect everyone to appreciate or use mindfucks anymore than I expect everyone to appreciate or use canes, or scalpels, or needles or insert technique/toy here. As always, use what works for you and your partner, discard the rest.
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The concept of this thread was seriously freaking me out (I've big trust issues), until I read this post. It made sense all of a sudden. As if there was a 'safe' level to this that I could accept. Thanks.midwestyankee said:
Edit: Ooooooooooooooo, this was my 100th post!
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It's only because my evil fu hasn't progressed to EG's level yet, but I'll take the compliment nevertheless.Velvet Bubbles said:The concept of this thread was seriously freaking me out (I've big trust issues), until I read this post. It made sense all of a sudden. As if there was a 'safe' level to this that I could accept. Thanks.
Edit: Ooooooooooooooo, this was my 100th post!
You do know what hitting 100 posts means, right? We expect a truly appropriate av and pronto!
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I like mindfucks, particularly of the "I could kill you right now if I wanted to, and nobody would ever know it" variety. (Yes, I have snuff fantasies buried down deep inside me somewhere.) One I remember particularly well happened shortly after a discussion B. and I had about knives. He and I were talking on Yahoo messenger, and I think my status message was something like, "The fastest way to a man's heart is straight through his chest with a really sharp knife." He laughed and then pointed out that the best way to kill someone with a knife is to shove it in the back of the neck. Since we always try to (playfully) out-smart one another, I told him that I thought the best way was to stab someone between the ribs. We argued playfully over it for awhile, and that was that.
A couple of days later, he came to visit me. He bound me and pulled out his really sharp knife and trailed it down the back of my neck. That conversation came back to me, and I stiffened visibly. He laughed evilly and said, "What? Are you afraid?" I knew that he wouldn't really hurt me, but that thread of fear that wrapped around my brain was delicious, anyway. He knew exactly what I was thinking, and it led to a nice extended knifeplay session.
A couple of days later, he came to visit me. He bound me and pulled out his really sharp knife and trailed it down the back of my neck. That conversation came back to me, and I stiffened visibly. He laughed evilly and said, "What? Are you afraid?" I knew that he wouldn't really hurt me, but that thread of fear that wrapped around my brain was delicious, anyway. He knew exactly what I was thinking, and it led to a nice extended knifeplay session.
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Little_Kitten
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BiBunny said:
That sounds..... REALLY delicious....
I have a thing for knives and fear
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shy slave said:
It's ok
There's room for everyone's opinions.... I'm just here to learn.... All aspects of the issue.
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All the mindfucks described so far seem mostly physical. The worst one that happened to me was being told that our relationship was over. I believed it through and through, and I was relieved, annoyed, pissed, happy, etc. when I finally found out it was all a game. I won't say I liked it, heh. I started a thread at the time, Major Mindfucks - I'd dig it up but it's bedtime!
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Etoile said:
That would cross the boundary from mindfuck, to over, for me... of course anyone I trusted enough to do mindfucks with, would know me well enough to know exactly how bad it would be to play that game.
(Hi! my name is Stillrecoveringfromabandonmentissues!)
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Etoile said:
I would seriously get hurt if someone I loved did that to me... But that's just me.
Care to explain this game and why he did it? Just curious.
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Why do our doms do anything? *grin* I don't know why e did that, I guess e thought it would be amusing to watch me squirm. Basically e said that I didn't really love em and e didn't really love me, it was over, etc. And then when e finally hinted that it was all a game, I was shocked and scared before I felt a rush of relief.Little_Kitten said:
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CutieMouse said:
Amen, sister!
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I don't often enjoy the arranged mindfuck, as much as fucking with the mind in an ongoing process. I don't like the feeling of "lying" that the Warren style arranged mindfuck gives - I'm much more apt to just state possible truths "gee I could totally do anything to you now that you're immobile and breathing through this tube..." Or, rather than pretending we're through, point out that if I wanted to I *could* just tell H don't call, don't write, I'm moving and I'm not telling you where, couldn't I? With someone like BiBunny I'd be much more apt to linger over "I could just snuff you, oh you don't think I'd be stupid enough to do it myself, do you?" and spin a long tale of the unpleasant while doing something unrelated - rather than try to fake her into thinking that knife was cutting her.
The only time I did a Warren style mindfuck it was on a switch who was always bragging about the ones he did on his girls. He had a lot of trepidation about needle play so I faked a temp piercing.
The only time I did a Warren style mindfuck it was on a switch who was always bragging about the ones he did on his girls. He had a lot of trepidation about needle play so I faked a temp piercing.
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Etoile said:
Well its good you can survive such thing
It really seems like a very random thing to do tho... Hm... yea...
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I've always been a fan of schadenfreude (the pleasure one derives from another's misery - its a German word.. just like kindergarten and leave it to the Germans to have a word to express that emotion) but oh WOW. I'm gonna have to explore this topic more thoroughly.
Thanks for the thread!
Thanks for the thread!
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graceanne said:
I don't think it would be over for me X( I love him far too much to break up cos of that... it would leave me devastated for a while though.
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That kind of mind fuck reminds me of the 'jokes' that people would play on me on April Fools Day. Do you know how many times a day someone would ask me if I'd 'go with them'? Luckily enough for me I knew what was going on and told them to fuck off, but if I'd believed them it would have really hurt my feelings.
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As far as mindfucking goes, put me down on the "soft" side of things. I'm rather gentle about it, though still (of course!) sadistic. For example, I really enjoy seeing someone blush, especially if her blushing embarrasses her. There's something about blushing - a taste of innocence? - that, if I'm with someone who blushes when certain thoughts cross her mind, it's going to happen that I will say or do something that causes one or more of those thoughts to cross her mind. And when it does, and she blushes, the evil little grin and/or chuckle she gets from me just enhances it...
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A does this to me every once and a while... here are some old posts ive made about it
this first one is about a time when A led me to believe i was doing something i really wasnt
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=20694647&postcount=8
this next one is about a time A purposely put me in a situation in which i thought i had failed him
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=21680772&postcount=24
this first one is about a time when A led me to believe i was doing something i really wasnt
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=20694647&postcount=8
this next one is about a time A purposely put me in a situation in which i thought i had failed him
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=21680772&postcount=24
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myinnerslut said:
Hm.. Both situations seem very interesting.
How did you feel about it? Disappointed, angry or excited??
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Sir_Winston54 said:
That blush you can't stop even though you want to, and the embarrassed feeling that wanders down the path towards minor humiliation, then starts tripping even further down that road (because you know he knows what you're thinking and you don't know what he's going to do about it), is a delicious mindfuck, indeed.
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Thanks for the tip.CutieMouse said:That blush you can't stop even though you want to, and the embarrassed feeling that wanders down the path towards minor humiliation, then starts tripping even further down that road (because you know he knows what you're thinking and you don't know what he's going to do about it), is a delicious mindfuck, indeed.
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midwestyankee said:Thanks for the tip.
*chuckles*
