Mind Reading

[Ishmael]

Here on Lit. we deal with the written word. In real life we deal with the spoken word.

It has always amazed me how often both are not just misinterpreted. But totally misunderstood. It seems that you just can't be clear enough. (Except for Hanns.) No matter how plain you might be, someone, somehow, will read something into what you said that was neither written, nor intended.

There are those that will grasp to any nebulous reference that you may make and attempt to make an issue of it. Even if you may have made several direct statements in the past.

What's even more amazing is that many will take words and adapt them to their own frame of reference and perspective. But that really isn't amazing at all, just human nature.

It has also been an observation that those most prone to "mind reading" are those that are less likely to face the reality of their own lives. It's not so much that these people are evil, or intend to be at least. Merely that there is a need to reinterpert the words into a frame of context that justifies their behavior.

I've always been a believer in "there's what you say, and what you do."

Are you a mind reader? Do you know someone that is?

Ishmael

 

[crysede]

Oh please

This vicious and unprovoked attempt to slander me could not be more transparent!

Just where do you get off calling me "evil and nebulous"?!

 

[Ishmael]

Oh please

This vicious and unprovoked attempt to slander me could not be more transparent!

Just where do you get off calling me "evil and nebulous"?!

Merely because you obfucate the obvious and engage in nebulous arguments based on unproven, and idealistic, concepts.

All in all an unrealistic approach.

But I bet you're great in bed. (Save the blatantly sexual innuendo remarks for someone who cares. Like Lance. )

Ishmael

 

[teddybear4play]

I tend to take everything said to me at face value. I don't read anything into what people say. While this leads to open and honest, what-you-see-is-what-you-get discussion with other genuine people, it leaves me vulnerable to people who have ulterior motives.

But I can't go the other way and be suspicious of everyone and everything. I can't even move that way, because I feel that if I try to protect myself from a danger that's not always there, that I'd be selling out the people who do care about me.

However, I can usually tell straight out who's honest and who's not. If I don't feel like someone's giving as much as they're getting from me, I usually don't deal with them.

Only the really sophisticated emotional con artists can lead me on. That's a mixed blessing, though, because if they slip under my radar, the wound they inflict is usually pretty deep.

TB4p

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: Mind Reading

I tend to take everything said to me at face value. I don't read anything into what people say. While this leads to open and honest, what-you-see-is-what-you-get discussion with other genuine people, it leaves me vulnerable to people who have ulterior motives.

But I can't go the other way and be suspicious of everyone and everything. I can't even move that way, because I feel that if I try to protect myself from a danger that's not always there, that I'd be selling out the people who do care about me.

However, I can usually tell straight out who's honest and who's not. If I don't feel like someone's giving as much as they're getting from me, I usually don't deal with them.

Only the really sophisticated emotional con artists can lead me on. That's a mixed blessing, though, because if they slip under my radar, the wound they inflict is usually pretty deep.

TB4p

You've captured the spirit TC4P. Not what you say, but what you do.

Ishmael

 

[crysede]

Merely because you obfucate the obvious and engage in nebulous arguments based on unproven, and idealistic, concepts.

All in all an unrealistic approach.

But I bet you're great in bed. (Save the blatantly sexual innuendo remarks for someone who cares. Like Lance. )

Ishmael

Oh, so now I'm an "evil nebulous slut"?

Sexist pig!

 

[Ishmael]

Oh, so now I'm an "evil nebulous slut"?

Sexist pig!

Oh really? I've never met a cloud that was a slut. Having problems with "Websters on-line" dear?

I was only refering to those atavistic responses that kick in when you are less than your logical self. Like tonight.

Ishmael

 

[Don K Dyck]

Food of Heaven

Oh really? I've never met a cloud that was a slut. Having problems with "Websters on-line" dear?

I was only refering to those atavistic responses that kick in when you are less than your logical self. Like tonight.

Ishmael

Hi Ismael, Webster's spelling buddy says "obfuscate" while "nimbus" is a storm cloud, bit like some posters who discover that the CIA is bugging their puta.

"nebulous" = 1. cloudlike; 2. formless, clouded, hazy, indistinct or vague; 3. Astronomy like a nebula - none of which adequately describe Crysede's pungent, cogent and succinct posts.

Your initial post implies that every person should accept U$ government pronouncements as being truth at face value. Here in the real world outside the USA we get plenty of practice at interpreting the REAL meaning of U$ government announcements. Unfortunately from hard experience, these pronouncements are usually the opposite to what the government is actually doing. For example,

"responsible fiscal policy" means run out the budget deficit as far as possible, abandoning the balanced budget legislated under Clinton;

"social justice" means rip off the poor to pay the rich bigger tax rebates;

"free trade" means that the U$ is free to do anything it damn well pleases without regard for anyone else including the UN, international treaties and so-called "allies"; and my favourites,

the PATRIOT ACT deliberately misnamed legislation removing common law rights from Americans;

and the Homeland Defense Act creating an unfettered secret police state, the Fourth Reich in AmeriKKKa, just like the model from Nazi Germany.

Naturally "MANGOES" always unambiguously means delicious!! Yum!!

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: Food of Heaven

Hi Ismael, Webster's spelling buddy says "obfuscate" while "nimbus" is a storm cloud, bit like some posters who discover that the CIA is bugging their puta.

"nebulous" = 1. cloudlike; 2. formless, clouded, hazy, indistinct or vague; 3. Astronomy like a nebula - none of which adequately describe Crysede's pungent, cogent and succinct posts.

Your initial post implies that every person should accept U$ government pronouncements as being truth at face value. Here in the real world outside the USA we get plenty of practice at interpreting the REAL meaning of U$ government announcements. Unfortunately from hard experience, these pronouncements are usually the opposite to what the government is actually doing. For example,

"responsible fiscal policy" means run out the budget deficit as far as possible, abandoning the balanced budget legislated under Clinton;

"social justice" means rip off the poor to pay the rich bigger tax rebates;

"free trade" means that the U$ is free to do anything it damn well pleases without regard for anyone else including the UN, international treaties and so-called "allies"; and my favourites,

the PATRIOT ACT deliberately misnamed legislation removing common law rights from Americans;

and the Homeland Defense Act creating an unfettered secret police state, the Fourth Reich in AmeriKKKa, just like the model from Nazi Germany.

Naturally "MANGOES" always unambiguously means delicious!! Yum!!

You're obviously part of a contingent of Aussies pissed off at your treatment in Paul Hogan movies and Fosters' commercials, and you're bidding to take over the world and make the rest of us learn all your euphemisms.

TB4p

 

[MissTaken]

How do you DO that, Don?

How do you bring US Governement into every discussion on lit.

It is a skill, methinks.

So, how is the CIA and USA gov't involved in my rather boring, non existent sex life.? (It is a bit like AREA 51.)



~~~~ On topic:
Interesting thread, Ishmael.
I will revisit it with both eyes open and a few more hours sleep behind me.

 

[Ishmael]

How do you DO that, Don?

How do you bring US Governement into every discussion on lit.

It is a skill, methinks.

So, how is the CIA and USA gov't involved in my rather boring, non existent sex life.? (It is a bit like AREA 51.)



~~~~ On topic:
Interesting thread, Ishmael.
I will revisit it with both eyes open and a few more hours sleep behind me.

Never confuse skill with compulsion.

Ishmael

 

[juicylips]

It has always amazed me how often both are not just misinterpreted. But totally misunderstood. It seems that you just can't be clear enough. (Except for Hanns.) No matter how plain you might be, someone, somehow, will read something into what you said that was neither written, nor intended.

I do believe I'm rather clear when I post. I don't think I leave much room for misinterpretation.

 

[Smiley777]

I do believe I'm rather clear when I post. I don't think I leave much room for misinterpretation.

*snicker*

 

[Ishmael]

I do believe I'm rather clear when I post. I don't think I leave much room for misinterpretation.

*chortle*

 

[juicylips]

"snicker"?

"chortle"?


Well I guess that's better than a full blown ROFLMAO

 

[Lost Cause]

You mean......

The type that take what you say, and repeat back with, "what you really mean is.." and interject their agenda?
In real life, I can walk away from the imbeciles, on the Lit, I just leave whatever thread they preach their hate on. Besides, in a couple of years, the US/CIA will be running their countries anyway....according to them.

 

[SINthysist]

Re: You mean......

The type that take what you say, and repeat back with, "what you really mean is.." and interject their agenda?
In real life, I can walk away from the imbeciles, on the Lit, I just leave whatever thread they preach their hate on. Besides, in a couple of years, the US/CIA will be running their countries anyway....according to them.

Are ya sure?

REALLY sure?

 

[intrigued]

"snicker"?

"chortle"?


Well I guess that's better than a full blown ROFLMAO

Never fear dear, even if they aren't...I am.

Morning all!

 

[Cheyenne]

I've always been a believer in "there's what you say, and what you do."

Are you a mind reader? Do you know someone that is?

Guilty in real life, sometimes. Usually it happens when I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on me. To love me can be a real challenge, and is only for those with the patience of a saint. I still don't think I'm an easy person to love. (Not intended as troll bait, just a true statement.)

 

[MissTaken]

Here on Lit. we deal with the written word. In real life we deal with the spoken word.

It has always amazed me how often both are not just misinterpreted. But totally misunderstood

<snip>
What's even more amazing is that many will take words and adapt them to their own frame of reference and perspective. But that really isn't amazing at all, just human nature.

It has also been an observation that those most prone to "mind reading" are those that are less likely to face the reality of their own lives. It's not so much that these people are evil, or intend to be at least. Merely that there is a need to reinterpert the words into a frame of context that justifies their behavior.

I've always been a believer in "there's what you say, and what you do."

Are you a mind reader? Do you know someone that is?

Ishmael

I think that this post could be taken in several different contexts.

So, I will take a stab at it.

I do tend to try to guess what someone really means when I am personally involved with them. I think that I have a skeptical nature with regard to the nuances of intimacy and friendship and like Chey, can be challenging to be involved with. I am honest to a fault, but it is my thoughts that spin around trying to guess what the "real deal" is.

Now, in general terms and here at lit, there have been times i have felt that my words or actions have been misunderstood for no other reason than to serve someone else's needs. Some people can't understand or won't understand that I mean what I say, so project their own meaning into my words based on their experiences, desires, values etc.

That can be frustrating. There have been times when something I have said has been percieved as bitchy, malicious or devious simply because it meets someone's needs to percieve it that way.

Example: When in administration, there were, of course, times when I would have to counsel employees. I would go over the issues at hand in a concrete fashion...on this date, then this date blah blah blah. I would then, tell them what I needed from them in order to continue moving forward within the program and do their job properly.

When an employee could be heard saying, "Well she didn't really mean it. It isn't really a problem, it is just her job...or, someone is coming down on her so she has to say things like that."

In this situation, denial impeded their ability to simply face the truth of what I have said to them. Rahter than face an error and say, "Understood. I will do whatever is necessary to make it better, improve blah blah blah" , it is easier to not see one's own wrong doing or weaknesses. Unfortunately, said denial lead to the termination of a couple of employees.

Does this make sense?

 

[MissTaken]

Never fear dear, even if they aren't...I am.

Morning all!

So, what you really mean to say is "No one elsei s laughing so I wil tell you I am laughing and it is morning, but not a great morning, so piss off people."


Just kidding hon!

IN the spirit of the thread!

 

[Don K Dyck]

Don't Believe It . . .

How do you DO that, Don?

How do you bring US Governement into every discussion on lit.

It is a skill, methinks.

So, how is the CIA and USA gov't involved in my rather boring, non existent sex life.? (It is a bit like AREA 51.)
~~~~ On topic:
Interesting thread, Ishmael.
I will revisit it with both eyes open and a few more hours sleep behind me.

Ahhhhhh . . . the lovely MissT . . . Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year . . . I find it hard to imagine that you have a "rather boring, non-existent sex life" . . . somebody so vibrant and sensual would surely be desirable anywhere lucky enough to be graced by your presence . . . . . . cum again . . . and again and again . . . when you have recovered from Christmas.

You've found us out, TB . . . this is the first stage of a take over of all the good things in the world . . . the US Open Tennis Championship . . . we're working on the US PGA . . . you don't play cricket . . . or Rugby . . . the women's surfing and men's surfing are ours . . . maybe we can trade you Little Honest Johnnie "Flakjacket" Howard for Bill Clinton . . . we could do with a politician having leadership potential.

 

[MissTaken]

Re: Don't Believe It . . .

Ahhhhhh . . . the lovely MissT . . . Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year . . . I find it hard to imagine that you have a "rather boring, non-existent sex life" . . . somebody so vibrant and sensual would surely be desirable anywhere lucky enough to be graced by your presence . . . . . . cum again . . . and again and again . . . when you have recovered from Christmas.

<flattered>

Thank you, Don.

I shouldn't whine about things of this nature as it is a concious decision made on my part to take a bit of a break.

 

[Don K Dyck]

I do believe I'm rather clear when I post. I don't think I leave much room for misinterpretation.

Hi Juicy . . . your av says it all . . . very clearly . . . sensuous woman who knows what she wants . . . and enjoys taking it . . . no room ofr misinterpretation there . . .

 

[SINthysist]

I don't mind. Go ahead. Read.