Men are Pigs, Women are Golddiggers

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...or why I lost my job writing summaries of academic papers...



THE face of dating may have changed down the years, but the laws of attraction have not changed since the days of the Neanderthals, a new study says.

It seems that men still seek out the most attractive women and women are drawn to the men that make the best providers - leveraging their looks to snag the best mate they can.

Or at least that's what a group of researchers found when they observed some modern singles at work - in a speed-dating session in Munich, Germany.

In questionnaires filled out before they went into the session, the participants said they were looking for mirror-images of themselves - someone who matched them in terms of status, commitment and looks.

But when the 21 women and 25 men sat down for "mini-dates'' with members of the opposite sex and later chose which ones they would like to go on a proper date with, the investigators saw a completely different dynamic at work.

"There's this disparity between what people say they want in a mate and what they end up choosing,'' said Peter Todd, a cognitive scientist at Indiana University in Bloomington who worked on the paper.

The men homed in on the most attractive women, while the women were drawn to material wealth and security. The females were also much more calculating and picky in their choices of prospective mates than their male counterparts.

While the men opted on average to see every second woman, the women expressed an interest in seeing only a third of the men again, and they appeared to calibrate their choices based on how attractive they thought they were and who they could realistically expect to bag.

"The women were self-censoring. The men weren't,'' said Mr Todd.

The results suggest that modern-day singles, like generations of their ancestors, are driven by biology with men seeking the best specimens to procreate with, and women seeking the best long-term partners.

"Evolutionary theories in psychology suggest that men and women should trade off different traits in each other, and when we look at the actual mate choices people make, this is what we find evidence for,'' said Mr Todd.

"Ancestral individuals who made their mate choices in this way - women trading off their attractiveness for higher quality men and men looking for any attractive women who will accept them - would have had an evolutionary advantage in greater numbers of successful offspring.''

The study is published in the journal the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
 
I am not denying some element of "truth" to their findings.... BUT 21 women and 25 men is hardly a realistic sampling.

"So, Hans, lets go to the beer-fest and do some testing." :rolleyes:
 
Ted-E-Bare said:
While the men opted on average to see every second woman, the women expressed an interest in seeing only a third of the men again, and they appeared to calibrate their choices based on how attractive they thought they were and who they could realistically expect to bag.

"The women were self-censoring. The men weren't,'' said Mr Todd.
This is the part that I found most interesting. It sounds like the men basically just picked the top half of attractiveness to them, while the women zoned in on a specific range of men they felt were "in their league".

Of course, there's a difference between statistical averages and individuals. I've known women who truly don't give a shit about money (and who care about looks). I've known men whose dating patterns revealed that they would rather date someone nice than "hot". Not coincidentally, those guys often had a "hot but psycho" ex in their past.

As I've gotten a little older, from a teenager to a 28 year old, I've actually found that in some ways looks matter more to me. I guess I used to have guilt and felt bad for being "shallow". But somewhere I came to the conclusion that the difference between a friend and a mate is sex and seeing them naked, so really, looks do count.
 
Ted-E-Bare said:
OK Franz, let's drink beer and do research!
"YAH! Check out the HOT 'subjects'!"... "AND with our impressive clipboards, I betcha we can get dates!"
 
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Ted-E-Bare said:
OK Franz, let's drink beer and do reseach!
"But we're not here to drink beer and pick up women . . . we're just her to pump . . .you up!"
 
JamesSD said:
As I've gotten a little older...
Actually, this study is simplistic. I've seen indepth reports that talk about how the priorities change with age, and also what the individual is looking for. There was a huge supplement on this one topic in a Sunday paper before the Internet, so I can't link to it, but it was the most detailed report I've seen drawing together various studies. One thing it talked about how women used different criteria when looking for a mate versus looking for a fling.

It just fascinates me how on certain fundamental behaviors man operates just like animals, yet there are those who are adamant that we cannot have a common ancestor with other apes, but our physiology and behavioris are similar.
 
S-Des said:
"But we're not here to drink beer and pick up women . . . we're just her to pump . . .you up!"
"And look for Foxes!"

-- wrong guys, same show.
 
"Alrighty! Those 2 chicks dumped beer on me." *scribble scribble* "Women are shallow and not interested in scientific types, but would rather have a pumped up, primal, 'defender' type male."
 
Ted-E-Bare said:
"There's this disparity between what people say they want in a mate and what they end up choosing,'' said Peter Todd, a cognitive scientist at Indiana University in Bloomington who worked on the paper.

Therein lies the divorce rate (but we can still blame it on the queers).
 
impressive said:
Therein lies the divorce rate (but we can still blame it on the queers).
Do we "settle"?
Do we deceive ourselves?"

Must be that the Lesbinims are hotter than me. :mad:
 
impressive said:
(1) Far too often

(2) Far too often
I am inclined to agree... having done an exhaustive "study" of 3 couples.


whew! i'm exhausted!
 
Are we mislead by popular culture?
Are we ignorant of ourselves?
Do we expect our mate to change (or stay the same)?
 
THROBBS said:
Are we mislead by popular culture?
Are we ignorant of ourselves?
Do we expect our mate to change (or stay the same)?
Yes
Yes
Yes

The problem is, there are three billion men in the world,
and only one Eliza Cuthbert.
:D
 
Ted-E-Bare said:
The problem is, there are three billion men in the world,
and only one Eliza Cuthbert.
And she makes more than 99.75% of those three billion men (so if she's looking for a provider, we're all out of luck :eek: ).
 
YIKES! She is physically attractive.. I strongly suspect that I would not fall into her "selective range"!
 
S-Des said:
And she makes more than 99.75% of those three billion men (so if she's looking for a provider, we're all out of luck :eek: ).
hmmm. that too!
I'm out of the running fer sure.

Luckily, I have a broader range (remember; though shallow, guys are less selective).


except that I am married....

On the OTHER hand... being married gives that subtle cue that maybe[/.i] there is something desirable about me that some woman deemed me acceptable.
 
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THROBBS said:
YIKES! She is physically attractive.. I strongly suspect that I would not fall into her "selective range"!
True story, I had a lovely actress bearing down on me in her BMW, and all I hoped for was she noticed my existence before I was a thump and bump in her ride. She did, so I lived.
 
Ted-E-Bare said:
True story, I had a lovely actress bearing down on me in her BMW, and all I hoped for was she noticed my existence before I was a thump and bump in her ride. She did, so I lived.



....and?
 
THROBBS said:
She noticed me as something that could stain her car, but not as a mate.

She was, at the time (probably still), married to a weathy doctor.
 
Ted-E-Bare said:
She noticed me as something that could stain her car, but not as a mate.

She was, at the time (probably still), married to a weathy doctor.

You were a pedestrian? She avoided collision? There was no "intercourse"? (speaking)
 
THROBBS said:
You were a pedestrian? She avoided collision? There was no "intercourse"? (speaking)
No. Although had she not noticed, there might have been screaming.

This was an aside, let's return to the topic. Babes.

I can't believe you didn't know who Eliza Cuthbert was!
 
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