medical type questions

[Never]

There's a thread in the writers section about the "11+ dick phenomenon" in writing. Before the end of the first page a new poster named Cigan says, "Some females do get into cervix penetration though. That's why some people are into fisting. It's just a turn on for some people. Eh."

Now, from what I heard cervix 'penetration' is only possible by tearing the cervix, something which leads to bleeding and infection, was I misinformed?

And while I'm asking medical/sex questions did anyone ever find out the probability of catching HIV through going down on a lady?

Thanks to anyone how might be able to help.

 

[Ezzy]

well with all those babies...

Being born through the cervix's I am suprised that they would tear on a regular basis.

I have been there when crowning out and with a relaxed woman with a relaxed cervix you would be able to slip right through.

I hope that helps, as I am not into fisting it is the best I can do LOL.




EZ

 

[Never]

Crowning out?

 

[Ezzy]

Crowning out...

BLUSHING

The head of a cock wearing a cervix as a crown.

The point just before you get full penetration.




EZ

 

[BlondGirl]

What we learned during my course in human sexuality was that the woman's vagina elongates and extends past the cervix to accommodate her partner.

Cervical opening during labor happens over several hours and I would never believe that any man has put his penis into a woman's uterus unless she has just delivered. Knowing what I know about anatomy and bullshit, you can guess what category the above falls into.

As far as catching HIV from going down on a female, to my knowledge, there has never been a documented case.

(For those of you fantasizing about how a "relaxed enough" woman can be penetrated through the cervix, consider that in surgery still requires the usage of dialators. There is no way you can get a woman more relaxed than that!)

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Blondgirl's absolutely right. The cervix only dilates during labor under the unique hormonal milieu of pregancy or else it's done physically with mechanical dilators. Obstetricians use a There are a number of drugs that simulate physiological stimulation of the cervix and cause dilation when inducing labor or mechanical dilators when doing intrauterine pregancy on a non-pregnant woman, but the cervix shouldn't ever be open otherwise.

After delivering a baby and the placenta, the doctor reaches his whole hand into the vagina and pushes it all the way into the uterus and massages the myometrium to get it to contract down so the bleeding will stop. It's a weird, weird thing to do. Without drugs, or dilators, though, this can't happen be done in any other women, though.

 

[Ezzy]

Cervical opening during labor happens over several hours and I would never believe that any man has put his penis into a woman's uterus unless she has just delivered. Knowing what I know about anatomy and bullshit, you can guess what category the above falls into.

Bullshit would be claiming to have done it, as I have never made that claim, and observing the medical procedures that involve access to the uterus through the cervix, without the use of drugs to relax the cervix.

Knowing what I know about anatomy and miss reading posts, I think you are all anatomy, BlondGirl!

Quote taken from the web site below.

http://ncnc.essortment.com/dilationcervix_rcyk.htm

What does cervix dilation during labor and delivery mean?


Dilation during the labor and delivery of your baby is the most important function your body can do so you can hold a newborn in your arms.


The first time you may hear the term dilation is in prenatal education or childbirth education classes. You will be taught that the cervix needs to thin out and open up so your baby can be born.


When you health care provider does a vaginal exam near the end of your pregnancy you may hear the term again when they are assessing if you are near to going into labor. However, checking dilation isn't always a sure bet as to when your baby will be born.


A woman could be dilated to 2 centimeters for weeks before she has her baby. Or she could have preterm labor that dilates her to 4 centimeters and then go past her due date before her cervix changes anymore. There are no absolutes in determining when a baby will be born. But knowing what dilation is all about will help you stay knowledgeable about what your providers are talking about.


Prior to pregnancy your cervix is thick and firm and just like it should be during that time. It is also in a posterior position, meaning in the back, so that vaginal exams can be quite uncomfortable since the cervix is hard to reach. Once you become pregnant the cervix starts going through changes in response to the hormones circulating throughout your body. Ultimately this will mean the birth of your baby when your cervix completely opens up




EZ

 

[alexander tzara]

From what I've read, fisting can sometimes be pleasurable for a woman because of the feeling of having her vagina completely filled. She can feel every slight movement and there is constant pressure on her g-spot (situated near the entrance along the upper vaginal wall). As far as I know, the pleasure has nothing at all to do with stimulating the cervix. You need to use a lubricant and work very slowly - one finger at a time - before eventually slipping the whole fist in. (In a lot of cases a man's fist will probably be too big and cause pain.) Once inside you should make pretty minimal movements. Trying to stimulate the cervix by knocking up against it could cause her serious pain.
As far as going down on a woman and risks of HIV, here is what the sexshow / rock band, Rockbitch, say on their website http://www.rockbitch.co.uk Rockbitch are part of a sex commune - mostly lesbians or bisexual women. The members of the band have regular sex with many different partners - both male and female. Here are the precautions they take when going down on a woman:

...What about HIV and AIDS ?

We fuck a lot...a lot of men and women...a lot of the time.
We will not stop - but we will not die for our passion.

We treat every sexual partner as if they already have HIV.

All diseases matter, but this is one of those without a cure, however, using this as a standard protects us from pretty much everything else.

We have regular tests every four months.

Since initiating the practices I will outline here, no one within the community has caught ANY sexually transmitted disease WHATSOEVER.

Our practices are not perfect, but so far they work.

For ten years we have worked this way, keeping up to date with transmission information, statistics and demographics, treatments and errors. When it was discovered that a spermicide (Nonoxynol 9) formerly thought to kill the HIV virus actually increased rates of infection - we stopped using it.


The HIV virus is present in ALL body fluids including saliva - there is a sliding scale of transmission likelihood's depending on what you do and how you do it...

CUNNILINGUS
Here is the point at which some will disagree with our conclusions and methods. We do go down on women. We do not use a dental dam (a square of rubber that is placed over the whole vagina and you lick through it)

There is quantitatively less virus present in vaginal juices than in male cum and pre-cum. Oral sex on a woman is lower risk than oral sex on a man. The risk is not the same, it is very low - but there is risk.

This is what we do - we try to minimise our intake of cunt juices. We stay on the clit rather than eating everywhere - no deep kissing up inside, no licking asshole, no oral at all if she is having a period.

Use a dental dam (you can probably buy them in sex shops) to be even safer. Or you can improvise with clingfilm to cover the areas you are licking but you have to be careful it doesn't break.

 

[Cheyenne]

After delivering a baby and the placenta, the doctor reaches his whole hand into the vagina and pushes it all the way into the uterus and massages the myometrium to get it to contract down so the bleeding will stop.

EWWWWWW! They never show that part on TV! As old as I am, I have never heard that step in delivery before.

 

[*Lazer*]

Ollie that does not happen with every delivery. I checked with my girlfriend who is a midwife and she has six hundered deliveries to her credit and not once has she done that particular procedure. Usually exernal massage is sufficent to contract the uterous down and nature takes care of the rest.

 

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[Cheyenne]

Ollie that does not happen with every delivery. I checked with my girlfriend who is a midwife and she has six hundered deliveries to her credit and not once has she done that particular procedure. Usually exernal massage is sufficent to contract the uterous down and nature takes care of the rest.

Thank you for helping me get that horrible image out of my mind!

 

[Never]

Okay, so we've confirmed that cervix penetration isn't possible without drugs or the imminent arrival of a baby..
And there appears to be some difference of opinion regarding this whole 'going down' thing.

 

[Angel]

Thank you for helping me get that horrible image out of my mind!

Yes thank you. I was about to decide to not have any kids LOL!

 

[alexander tzara]

Have you ever seen fisting being done? I saw it in an Annie Sprinkle video. Ouch!

 

[alexander tzara]

Mind you: childbirth. Ouch! Ouch!

 

[*Lazer*]

stupid stupid board thingy posts twice

 

[*Lazer*]

You are welcome ladies Now you know why so many women like going to midwives Ohh one more thing thats a big NOOOOOO on fisting for me unless of course I can do it to you first

 

[notenufsx4me]

fisting?

can't say i'm into, but what ever trips the womans trigger so to speak.

i know a woman who is into it . She asked me to... do it to her for like of a better phrase. used lots of lube. went in slow. yes, she liked it. she came hard. what did i think? i think it takes all kinds i guess

 

[Laurel]

This thread makes my cervix ache.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Ollie that does not happen with every delivery. I checked with my girlfriend who is a midwife and she has six hundered deliveries to her credit and not once has she done that particular procedure. Usually exernal massage is sufficent to contract the uterous down and nature takes care of the rest.

Hmmmm... maybe I go to a school of sadistic medicine?

I've heard of the external massage as well, but when I was delivering babies they always wanted up to "go for the gusto", an almost-all-the-way-up-to-the-elbow bimanual technique with one hand on the outside and one on the inside. The first time you do it you feel horrible and do it sheepishly, sure that you must be hurting her terribly. But then you remember that she just passed something about twice the width of your forearm and you don't feel as bad...

but maybe that's just a male perspective.

 

[Demian]

Wut iz that Kitty's Name?

Look at those Ears!...I'm a Kitty man, but you must know that already...

 

[BlondGirl]

I've heard of the external massage as well, but when I was delivering babies they always wanted up to "go for the gusto", an almost-all-the-way-up-to-the-elbow bimanual technique with one hand on the outside and one on the inside.

Is this job security?

What a great way to spread infection--especially if you have been handling all these other women's cunts first.

Yeah--infection and complications--one more reason to use a midwife.

(I did on baby number 2 and the difference was night and day!)

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Obstetricians use sterile gowns, gloves, and instruments, and handwashing between patients is a must so puerperal infection rates are actually very low.

Doing the bimanual uterine massage at our hospital doesn't have anything to do with job security. Ours is a charity hospital providing medical care to the area's indigent population who couldn't otherwise receive medical care. It's also a teaching program dedicated to the training of students and residents, so in a sense, the "payment" patients have to make for free medical care at a charity institution is that training physicians get to "learn on them". In America, there's really no such thing as a free medical care - you pay for it in dollars or in other ways.

Teaching hospitals place a lot of importance on teaching the skills necessary to do all manner of medical procedures. It may sound cruel, but physicians have to learn these skills somewhere. The paying public demands physicians who are well-trained and qualified. No one who has an option likes an unexperienced doctor working on them.

I'm sure that most of the bimanual uterine massage we did was above and beyond the necessary, but we're learning, so we have our reasons. There are instances in which women have serious postpartum hemorrhages due to coagulopathies and other serious medical conditions and it's important we're well-prepared to try to stop the bleeding.

If it was you bleeding, I'm sure you'd be relieved that the obstetrician knows what he's doing, right?

 

[alexander tzara]

Ohh one more thing thats a big NOOOOOO on fisting for me unless of course I can do it to you first

Uhm. It's nice of you to offer but I think I'll give that a miss.