male inner strength

[timberwolf05]

i tried to write one a moment ago,...but it is not showing up.

my fellow male slaves/subs.

being an old street kid, i draw my inner strength from those days, growing up as an only child and a victim of many bullies.
now at over 50, i am told, by many others of this life AND life STYLE that i am 1 of a thousand. i draw my strength as a vanilla person. i post everything, AS a vanilla person. i think, feel and act, vanilla. i am ONLY submissive as a slave to MY Mistress online and in person to HER only.
no one gets me to grovel and kow tow just because they call themselves dominant in a post or in person.


if you as a male sub/slave have no resource for inner strength......WHERE and how DO you find your strength?

can you not stand up for yourself alone? do you NEED a dominant to draw strength from?


comments bro's?

thanks
the wolf

 

[sphynx's dragon]

I am similar. Life when I was a child was an ugly thing for a while. From this I gain the strength to submit to Her. But I don't submit to anyone, Hell I don't always submit to Her without some proof that She is worth my submission. I won't submit to anyone. I have a stubborn streak a mile wide. But She continually proves that She is strong enough to dominate me, so She has me and I submit to Her.

 

[onceburned]

no one gets me to grovel and kow tow just because they call themselves dominant in a post or in person.

It only makes sense not to be a doormat for the world to wipe its feet on. The question, for me, is what role this dominant plays in your life. If the two of you have a committed relationship or are considering it, then it makes sense to submit - its part of what makes you a couple.

if you as a male sub/slave have no resource for inner strength......WHERE and how DO you find your strength?

All of us are responsible for our own lives. If a person lacks inner strength to stand up for themselves, they should not by in a D/s relationship - it would be co-dependent, which isn't healthy. A person who lacks inner strength should be in counselling, so they can recover and build up their inner strength.

do you NEED a dominant to draw strength from?

Submission requires a great deal of internal strength - perhaps even more strength than it requires to be a domme. Submission requires that you make yourself vulnerable... which requires trust, which is always risky.

Submission is about putting the pleasure of your domme ahead of your own pleasure. It is about drawing your pleasure from pleasing her. This requires a lot of internal strength, especially for guys because we have been raised to pursue our own pleasure without regard for pleasing others.

 

[timberwolf05]

vulnerable

It only makes sense not to be a doormat for the world to wipe its feet on. The question, for me, is what role this dominant plays in your life. If the two of you have a committed relationship or are considering it, then it makes sense to submit - its part of what makes you a couple.



All of us are responsible for our own lives. If a person lacks inner strength to stand up for themselves, they should not by in a D/s relationship - it would be co-dependent, which isn't healthy. A person who lacks inner strength should be in counselling, so they can recover and build up their inner strength.



Submission requires a great deal of internal strength - perhaps even more strength than it requires to be a domme. Submission requires that you make yourself vulnerable... which requires trust, which is always risky.

Submission is about putting the pleasure of your domme ahead of your own pleasure. It is about drawing your pleasure from pleasing her. This requires a lot of internal strength, especially for guys because we have been raised to pursue our own pleasure without regard for pleasing others.

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Submission requires that you make yourself vulnerable... which requires trust, which is always risky.


*********ya see and THIS is something "I" am NOT familiar with. "I" have NEVER felt vulnerable to anyone anywhere since i was 14 years old. i have kept that wall up, inside, and kept myself protected. but ya have-to remember "I" have NOT been into any real play stuff either.
being just in service......doing dirty nasty jobs, i am left alone and intact.
if i EVER get involved, in play, THEN we will see about, this term vulnerable. until then it is just an empty word to me.

thank you and i hope to hear more from others on this.

the wolf

 

[onceburned]

thank you and i hope to hear more from others on this.

You are welcome and I hope to hear from other male subs too!

But I do want to mention that often the vulnerability in submission is not just physical but emotional as well. Of course, it depends on the relationship. If there is no love/caring between the domme and sub, I suppose it would limit the emotional vulnerability.

But that would be such a cold relationship! Brrrr....

 

[timberwolf05]

cold?

You are welcome and I hope to hear from other male subs too!

But I do want to mention that often the vulnerability in submission is not just physical but emotional as well. Of course, it depends on the relationship. If there is no love/caring between the domme and sub, I suppose it would limit the emotional vulnerability.

But that would be such a cold relationship! Brrrr....

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how is it cold if it is ALL you know? you have nothing to measure against?
how do you explain to an outside dog that the inside dog thinks it is too hard to deal with. how does the outside dog tell the inside dog he knows nothing else.

catching my drift here?
"I",,,,,,,AM.........that outside dog. okay?
i do not know about warm laps and a furnace in the winter.
understanding now?

k bud.
later
the wolf

 

[onceburned]

how do you explain to an outside dog that the inside dog thinks it is too hard to deal with. how does the outside dog tell the inside dog he knows nothing else.

Good question! Does anyone want to take a shot at answering it?

 

[Farblat_Ieem]

Attempt

Well don't bother trying to explain anything to an outside dog on the internet. They get online so rarely.. and are usually going straight for the Field and Stream web sight and would love to get his paws on one of those female indoor dogs. Even if they are all really b... Damn. Was I thinking this or writing it?

 

[Netzach]

Oops.

I thought this was "male inner strength" not "feral boys gone martyr."

It takes a lot of balls to be interdependent. It's much harder for a lot of people to admit they need someone than to fail to admit it.

One of the lessons I've learned from getting sick.

 

[timberwolf05]

martyr?

Oops.

I thought this was "male inner strength" not "feral boys gone martyr."

It takes a lot of balls to be interdependent. It's much harder for a lot of people to admit they need someone than to fail to admit it.

One of the lessons I've learned from getting sick.

********excuse me? can you further explain? this sounds like you have something to say to me personally. i have been independant since i turned 14 years old, and on my own since 16. i am free of needing anyone to lean on emotionally, mentally, physically and financially. please explain your stand here for me.

thank you
the wolf

 

[timberwolf05]

to "burned"

Good question! Does anyone want to take a shot at answering it?

see what i mean bro? and my shrink wants to know why i have issues with people....

ask a civilized question and all you get are smartass children that never grew up.

man i tell ya. never expect anything from anyone. they let you down every time.

thanks for trying lil bud. at least YOU are civilized here...

the wolf

 

[Netzach]

********excuse me? can you further explain? this sounds like you have something to say to me personally. i have been independant since i turned 14 years old, and on my own since 16. i am free of needing anyone to lean on emotionally, mentally, physically and financially. please explain your stand here for me.

thank you
the wolf

If you are so happily self contained, why are you looking to serve a Domme at all?

What's your point?

You've talked about doing grunt work, service, hard knocks, etc. Well, while you may well have been up and down the wringer you are not the first nor the last, nobody is.

I don't measure strength by how much shit someone has taken or put up with or even overcome. I measure it by what they learn from that.

 

[AAkasha]

********excuse me? can you further explain? this sounds like you have something to say to me personally. i have been independant since i turned 14 years old, and on my own since 16. i am free of needing anyone to lean on emotionally, mentally, physically and financially. please explain your stand here for me.

thank you
the wolf

A better word is malcontent:

n.

1. A chronically dissatisfied person.
2. One who rebels against the established system


lonewolf, you pride yourself in being self sufficient, self contained, "I don't need nobody" and "nobody ever stood up for me!" and constantly defend your negative, abrasive personality instead of trying to improve it.

Do you realize you are an incredibly unpleasant person? If you are anything like this in real life, I don't see how anyone could stand being in your presence for more than ten minutes. Can you lighten up, try to be positive and not just say "Well if you were me you'd be an asshole too"?

Akasha

 

[timberwolf05]

AAkasha

A better word is malcontent:

n.

1. A chronically dissatisfied person.
2. One who rebels against the established system


lonewolf, you pride yourself in being self sufficient, self contained, "I don't need nobody" and "nobody ever stood up for me!" and constantly defend your negative, abrasive personality instead of trying to improve it.

Do you realize you are an incredibly unpleasant person? If you are anything like this in real life, I don't see how anyone could stand being in your presence for more than ten minutes. Can you lighten up, try to be positive and not just say "Well if you were me you'd be an asshole too"?

Akasha

***do YOU..........EVER have a good word for anyone? from what i see all YOU do is criticize. i asked ya once, nice. ya got an issue with me personally......take it off the boards. i don't need your mouth on me everytime i turn around. i don't care whether YOU or anyone else likes me OR hates me. i am not in this for a popularity contest.!!

i am seriously losing any respect i once had for You. and i DID think once You were special. are YOUR stories JUST fantasy? i am wondering.

THE WOLF!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[timberwolf05]

point

If you are so happily self contained, why are you looking to serve a Domme at all?

What's your point?

You've talked about doing grunt work, service, hard knocks, etc. Well, while you may well have been up and down the wringer you are not the first nor the last, nobody is.

I don't measure strength by how much shit someone has taken or put up with or even overcome. I measure it by what they learn from that.

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i DO measure someone by how much they have been trhough.
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my POINT here is, asking other MALES what THEY see in themselves as THEIR strength. "I" have been TOLD "I" am too outwardly strong for 90% of ALL dominants because THEY........CLAIM THEIR boys are all weak and have no backbone. SO........i am taking a personal survey...
no i am not the first nor the last......but i AM talking MY experiences....k?
this is my posting i started, ya know?
anywhoway......

that's the end of that.

THE WOLF!!!!!!!!

 

[Kajira Callista]

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i DO measure someone by how much they have been trhough.
B<
my POINT here is, asking other MALES what THEY see in themselves as THEIR strength. "I" have been TOLD "I" am too outwardly strong for 90% of ALL dominants because THEY........CLAIM THEIR boys are all weak and have no backbone. SO........i am taking a personal survey...
no i am not the first nor the last......but i AM talking MY experiences....k?
this is my posting i started, ya know?
anywhoway......

that's the end of that.

THE WOLF!!!!!!!!

is it only males that have strength? seems to be what you keep saying over and over. trying to follow this thread and im having a hard time understanding it.

 

[timberwolf05]

about males

is it only males that have strength? seems to be what you keep saying over and over. trying to follow this thread and im having a hard time understanding it.

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i posted, to hear from males, ONLY!

wolf

 

[Kajira Callista]

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i posted, to hear from males, ONLY!

wolf

oh...so you are a woman hater?

 

[Private_Label]

********excuse me? can you further explain? this sounds like you have something to say to me personally. i have been independant since i turned 14 years old, and on my own since 16. i am free of needing anyone to lean on emotionally, mentally, physically and financially. please explain your stand here for me.

thank you
the wolf

Whoa, Timberwolf. People are just wondering where you are headed with this. Please, if I may make a comment here... I think there is a need for clarification all around...

You asked about inner strength, where male subs found theirs.

Then you turned around and talked about not needing anyone - now, please, I'm trying to ask this calmly, so please don't give a knee jerk response OK Wolf? We have seen you discussing being a sub - but if you are a sub, then there is some aspect of your personality that seeks to have a dominant - a pack leader. Yet you are claiming the right of Lone Wolf.

Wolves don't like to be alone. Wolves prefer to have others around them. I hear under your words, the pain that makes you afraid to move closer to the center of the pack, you want to hang at the edge, able to run if things go bad again.

<asked softly>
But that doesn't mean that you do not want what the pack has to offer, does it?

<whispered> You allowed yourself to be collared, just so you could be at the edge of the pack, didn't you? And you tell yourself that because it is only service, you can run without hurt feelings, don't you?

<Sit down on the ground not touching Wolf> I'd reach out to hug you, but I know that might trigger bad feelings in you. So I will just sit here, and when you are ready, I'll be here.

 

[onceburned]

Originally Posted by timberwolf05
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i posted, to hear from males, ONLY!

oh...so you are a woman hater?

Kajira, that is a rather serious charge. I think it is sensible to share opinions with others who are in the same circumstances. Yes, all submissives have that in common but male subs have one more thing in common.

Unfortunately, male subs are quiet creatures when it comes to sharing their feelings. I think Lonewolf is simply trying to shake the bushes to see if he can get some male subs to respond.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Kajira, that is a rather serious charge. I think it is sensible to share opinions with others who are in the same circumstances. Yes, all submissives have that in common but male subs have one more thing in common.

Unfortunately, male subs are quiet creatures when it comes to sharing their feelings. I think Lonewolf is simply trying to shake the bushes to see if he can get some male subs to respond.

i asked for an explaination as to where he was going with the thread. I found that rude. Unfortunately i can post anything i like in any thread, even if he thinks that only males can respond. The explaination woulda got me out of the thread faster btw. oh and im a bitch too.

 

[onceburned]

LOL

Yep, its in the nature of the beast. If someone posts in a public forum, they will get replies... like it or not.

I still hope some of the lurking male subs will share their insights.

 

[timberwolf05]

hate

oh...so you are a woman hater?

it has nothing to do with hate.


females by n large have a natural built in device of helping each other. males do not. i am trying to reach out to other males get them to open up.

wolf

 

[timberwolf05]

touch?

<Sit down on the ground not touching Wolf> I'd reach out to hug you, but I know that might trigger bad feelings in you. So I will just sit here, and when you are ready, I'll be here.
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bares his teeth, looking, watching, sniffing the air. backs up a few feet.

lays down, head on his paws. watching, ears back, waiting, .....

puts his ears forward, crawls slowly forward,.. stands up.

walks toward her...wary. growls a little. sniffs the air again. looks around for others.

sits down,....3 feet away. waiting. watching.

no one else close by. moves toward her, standing, watching, ready to move at first quick move.

then pounces back to the woods. watches. nothing. comes back out slowly, walks toward her. lays down, ears up. watching every slight body movement.

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the wolf

 

[timberwolf05]

b word

i asked for an explaination as to where he was going with the thread. I found that rude. Unfortunately i can post anything i like in any thread, even if he thinks that only males can respond. The explaination woulda got me out of the thread faster btw. oh and im a bitch too.

oh and im a bitch too.
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no one accused you of such.

wolf