Making blackmail believable

[loquere]

The female burglar is caught by the house sitter that knows her.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There's also positive blackmail, where a stepdaughter wants a new car and asks for the money, and the price is some pussy.

 

[loquere]

There's also positive blackmail, where a stepdaughter wants a new car and asks for the money, and the price is some pussy.

Nice.

 

[DreamCloud]

I think shame would be harder to blackmail for today. With celebrities baring all and the coke busts of the rich and famous, only politicians might cave.

If you want to have a realistic blackmail plot, try jail time. The blackmailee should have done something in his/her past that would cost them time in prison if the world was aware.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I think shame would be harder to blackmail for today. With celebrities baring all and the coke busts of the rich and famous, only politicians might cave.

If you want to have a realistic blackmail plot, try jail time. The blackmailee should have done something in his/her past that would cost them time in prison if the world was aware.

Most crimes have a statute of limitation tied to them of 5-7 years. Only Murder has none. So a blackmail of a person that committed a crime would have to just recently or murder. If it is murder then they have nothing to lose by murdering you to keep you quiet.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Most crimes have a statute of limitation tied to them of 5-7 years. Only Murder has none. So a blackmail of a person that committed a crime would have to just recently or murder. If it is murder then they have nothing to lose by murdering you to keep you quiet.

However that's not common knowledge at all. The thing is that the person has to believe the threat is real, it doesn't need to be real. The hard part is getting the evidence if we're talking that far back.

As for murder well you're making the assumption that murdering you is even an option. Most women are smaller and less physically capable of than most men. Which means her target was either smaller than her (most likely a child), she had the element of surprise (something she likely wouldn't have with you since you know she's a killer and she's not going to be just in your house.) or she poisoned them but you're obviously not eating/drinking anything she gives to you for obvious reasons.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

However that's not common knowledge at all. The thing is that the person has to believe the threat is real, it doesn't need to be real. The hard part is getting the evidence if we're talking that far back.

As for murder well you're making the assumption that murdering you is even an option. Most women are smaller and less physically capable of than most men. Which means her target was either smaller than her (most likely a child), she had the element of surprise (something she likely wouldn't have with you since you know she's a killer and she's not going to be just in your house.) or she poisoned them but you're obviously not eating/drinking anything she gives to you for obvious reasons.

Or she's a paid assassin and does excellent wet work from a distance. She also might carry...even a .22 can kill.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Or she's a paid assassin and does excellent wet work from a distance. She also might carry...even a .22 can kill.

Well she might have paid an assassin. As for the .22 I can only assume that the blackmailer is smart enough to tailor the circumstances to rule out her carrying. And frankly a murderer is a poor choice to blackmail for those reasons. Also the vast majority of murderers aren't planed and are in a fit of emotion. That's why if you're going to get killed it's almost always by friends and family. Random people don't go around murdering people in general.

 

[emap]

Bad Sean, women don't kill people, men kill people. So not true but it makes for a good bumper sticker.

Besides who is to say the woman did the killing and is being blackmailed? Say a guy does the killing and she witnesses, but he is a totally smoking hunk so 'I saw what you did but won't tell anyone so long as you fuck me often'. Most guys would totally go for that, especially if she is a hot chick, and I'm not sure there is another kind to be found around here.

Alternately, not sure it's been mentioned, but blackmail works even if there was nothing done. Teachers are fired if someone says he or she was touching a student. They don't have to actually have sex with a student, just touching in a sexual or perhaps sexual manner and no more job. Quite easy to blackmail a teacher into sex with someone, so long as they are not a student at the high school.

Professors are harder simply because almost every student is an adult. The only time a professor gets in trouble for fucking a student of the college is when they are in his or her classes. Not to say they don't fear the same allegations as a high school teacher, some colleges will fire a professor if it is thought they screw students of the college. Some of the higher prestige colleges will fire a professor for having an affair, sex with someone they are not married to, dating or not.

 

[sr71plt]

I think shame would be harder to blackmail for today. With celebrities baring all and the coke busts of the rich and famous, only politicians might cave.

If you want to have a realistic blackmail plot, try jail time. The blackmailee should have done something in his/her past that would cost them time in prison if the world was aware.

I think you underestimate what small matters of reputation private people can fall into blackmail to try to protect. I think that's what's believable. You can always decide that secrets and secret behaviors aren't worth trying to protect if they are someone else's.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think a lot of people here are treating sex like it's murder. A lot of people wouldn't be difficult at all to blackmail. Not only because of reputation but because assuming everybody is STD free and the woman is on the birth control there are a lot of worse things in the world than sex.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think a lot of people here are treating sex like it's murder. A lot of people wouldn't be difficult at all to blackmail. Not only because of reputation but because assuming everybody is STD free and the woman is on the birth control there are a lot of worse things in the world than sex.

That's my issue with a lot of what is floating around non con/ reluctance. The woman finds out someone has a tape or pics of her having sex with someone she should not have been

So somehow her answer is to then fuck whoever has the pictures or anyone he wants her to, gang bangs anal, everything....sure, makes sense.

The only "realistic" blackmail story I'd like to see is the intended victim saying "Fuck you, go ahead."

But then there's no story.

If we're talking that section it doesn't have to be real, they can say the woman is afraid someone will tell the world she cheated on a fifth grade math quiz so she shows up and gets raped.

That's all they want. Realism can check at the door....same for most categories, this is erotica not high drama.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It makes perfect sense if you have a job that hinges on your reputation. I think it was best summed up in an episode of an anime I watched. Granted they use the word seduce instead of rape but the guy has mind control powers and he finds himself up against the second or third most powerful character. His response? "Dear god I am so fucked. Lets rape this chick she's going to kick my ass one way or the other and there is literally no more down in the universe than where I already am."

The question for a lot of people is simply how much down is there and what are the circumstances. I'd bet money that any girl (of age) working on a Disney or other show aimed at children would happily get into a gangbang if it meant keeping her reputation intact. Cus you are not getting that contract for Sharkboy and Lava Girl if you're a known slut. Same goes for teachers especially if it was with a student and at that point you've spent a lot of money on education that is basically useless now. Not that teachers make real money but they get more than cashiers or any of the other low level jobs you'd be able to get once that comes out.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Well she might have paid an assassin. As for the .22 I can only assume that the blackmailer is smart enough to tailor the circumstances to rule out her carrying. And frankly a murderer is a poor choice to blackmail for those reasons. Also the vast majority of murderers aren't planed and are in a fit of emotion. That's why if you're going to get killed it's almost always by friends and family. Random people don't go around murdering people in general.

Uh...you didn't read my post correctly. SHE MIGHT BE A PAID ASSASSIN. Not she hired an assassin.

And where have you been living? Tomorrowland?

Try reading the paper from a big city, like Louisville or New York. Strangers kill stranger all the time. Yes, a lot of murders are commit on friends and family by friends and family, but stranger on stranger murder happen all the time.

And paid assassins kill, in most cases, in such a way that it might look like a friend or family member did it. After all they are being paid to, in most cases, commit the prefect crime.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sorry, I assumed while we are talking fiction were still discussing a rational world. I mean yes she could be a paid assassin. She could also be trained in Krav Maga or be an expert with a knife or any number of possible ways she could take down a man. Hell at the end of the day if she really wants her blackmailer dead given enough time she'll figure it out even if she has to set your house on fire.

In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.). The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 43.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2009.

Nope dot com buddy. The overwhelming majority of murders are done by friends and family. Unless you're going to debate that 75% doesn't dwarf 25%. If you're gonna be scared of someone it's your friends and family you need to watch out for. Random people just don't go around murdering people as a general rule. That's not to say that it never happens but it's far from the norm. So no, I haven't been living in Tommorow land, nor in your strange scary Murder World.

As for paid assassins being good at their job who knows. By their very nature it's difficult to prove. But when you look at the murder rate and then look at the economic standing of the average murderer it seems unlikely that they would have the funding necessary to hire an assassin.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.). The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 43.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2009.

Nope dot com buddy. The overwhelming majority of murders are done by friends and family. Unless you're going to debate that 75% doesn't dwarf 25%. If you're gonna be scared of someone it's your friends and family you need to watch out for. Random people just don't go around murdering people as a general rule. That's not to say that it never happens but it's far from the norm. So no, I haven't been living in Tommorow land, nor in your strange scary Murder World.

Problem: Your stated numbers don't really add up to 75 vs 25. It's actually 53 vs 43 with some percentage (4%) of error.

If you add your first two number together, 24 + 53 = 77, then with the last number, 43, you now have greater than 100%, which is impossible in real math...in liberal math, it is always possible.

I have to assume, just from you numbers, that the 24% is part of the 53% and just separated out for impact sake.

So 53% vs 43%, that's only a 10% difference, not 50%. And that's a whole lot of killing done by strangers to strangers.

 

[TAnderson63877]

Greed is always a motivator. A gold digging whore signed a prenup with a rich old man in a state where infidelity is grounds for divorce, only to find out that the fortune she was slated to inherit becomes jeopardized by the litany of secrets unearthed by a black-mailer. How could she say no, when the black-mailer's demands are a small price to pay in comparison to the fortune she risked losing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Problem: Your stated numbers don't really add up to 75 vs 25. It's actually 53 vs 43 with some percentage (4%) of error.

If you add your first two number together, 24 + 53 = 77, then with the last number, 43, you now have greater than 100%, which is impossible in real math...in liberal math, it is always possible.

I have to assume, just from you numbers, that the 24% is part of the 53% and just separated out for impact sake.

So 53% vs 43%, that's only a 10% difference, not 50%. And that's a whole lot of killing done by strangers to strangers.

First I have this bad habit of being human and occasionally making mistakes.
Second, don't tell me about liberal math when Conservative math makes far less sense no matter how you slice it. Mostly because they don't believe in that fancy book learnin cus if you can read you must be liberal.
Third relationship of murder and victim unknown doesn't mean they didn't have one. It just means nobody could put it together. So the percentage could still be anything.

 

[emap]

Children play nice or I will turn the car around and no ice cream.

Cops ask the known associates first simply because they are known. Not because the chances of the known associate being the killer is higher than some guy driving along and shooting out their window.

Granted the chances are actually better it was a relative, or roommate that did the killing but that is not in cases where the cops have to do questioning. There is a reason for that, the roommate or family member went off the deep end and killed the victim in a rage so everybody in about a mile radius heard and saw the killing.

The 43% with unknown dimensions of a relationship are seen in places like New York where you got neighbors seeing each other and maybe exchanging a word a month. There is probably a relationship, but not one known about because nobody asks.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

First I have this bad habit of being human and occasionally making mistakes.
Second, don't tell me about liberal math when Conservative math makes far less sense no matter how you slice it. Mostly because they don't believe in that fancy book learnin cus if you can read you must be liberal.
Third relationship of murder and victim unknown doesn't mean they didn't have one. It just means nobody could put it together. So the percentage could still be anything.

Surprisingly, when someone else makes the mistakes you are sure to point them out without regard to them being human. So, STFU. You where trying to slip on by everyone and got caught.

Too bad I'm not a conservative, except when it comes to the spending habit of our out of control governments. Other than that, you might just call me a liberal.

 

[dbrains]

Seems to me

That these things don't have to be airtight. I don't want to offend any Literotica readers, but personally, i don't think most of us need a 100% airtight plausible story line. It does help to keep plausibility in mind, but I think you can bury a certain amount of plot issue underneath some good sex and we'll go for. At least I'm that shallow. Most sisters won't have sex with their brothers, unless of course she loves him and he really needs it...

 

[Sean Renaud]

In fairness a large part of this "argument" hinges on the fact that certain posters feel very strongly about non-con and for whatever reason can't just let people have their fun in peace.

Blackmail is by definition non consensual sex. Or rape if we aren't parsing words. So there is a certain amount of emotion behind it. Some of it is just some people are dicks.

I tend to comment on just about everything that catches my eye and anybody who pays attention to the story threads knows that I'm hear to help and I leave crap from other boards on other boards, hell I leave crap from other threads in other threads for fucks sake. But it's not that I'm a punching bag.

There is always a certain amount of suspension of belief that goes with just about any story that is written. I think to a large extent it can be summed up as "Real life can be random, fiction has to make sense." As long as the story holds to it's internal logic then everything is fine and a lot of us don't really think that blackmail stories hold to whatever internal logic is supposed to exist in those fictional realms. It's the difference between why you wouldn't blink if Ironman discovered a way to open a portal and force Thanos to fight Superman but if the far more realistic Batman pulled an uzi and mowed down some thugs there would be literal riots in theaters.

 

[sr71plt]

In fairness a large part of this "argument" hinges on the fact that certain posters feel very strongly about non-con and for whatever reason can't just let people have their fun in peace.

Amen to that.

 

[MyRubiLips]

Is the "fighting" over with?


Rogue wanted ideas, not bitching.

 

[dbrains]

In fairness a large part of this "argument" hinges on the fact that certain posters feel very strongly about non-con and for whatever reason can't just let people have their fun in peace.

Blackmail is by definition non consensual sex. Or rape if we aren't parsing words. So there is a certain amount of emotion behind it. Some of it is just some people are dicks.

I tend to comment on just about everything that catches my eye and anybody who pays attention to the story threads knows that I'm hear to help and I leave crap from other boards on other boards, hell I leave crap from other threads in other threads for fucks sake. But it's not that I'm a punching bag.

There is always a certain amount of suspension of belief that goes with just about any story that is written. I think to a large extent it can be summed up as "Real life can be random, fiction has to make sense." As long as the story holds to it's internal logic then everything is fine and a lot of us don't really think that blackmail stories hold to whatever internal logic is supposed to exist in those fictional realms. It's the difference between why you wouldn't blink if Ironman discovered a way to open a portal and force Thanos to fight Superman but if the far more realistic Batman pulled an uzi and mowed down some thugs there would be literal riots in theaters.

I do agree with Sean's comment. I'm fairly flexible in those things that I read (and write), but I confess sex should be consensual. I don't generally read those.