Macho men not so good for long-lasting love: study

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Macho men not so good for long-lasting love: study

Wed Aug 8, 2007 11:00AM EDT
LONDON (Reuters) - Forget the square jaw, rugged complexion and tough-guy macho attitude -- what women really want is a man with full lips and feminine features, according to a British study published on Wednesday.

The findings add to previous research about masculinity and offer further insight into what people look for in others when choosing potential partners, said evolutionary psychologist Lynda Boothroyd, who led the study.

"What I've shown is that when people look at masculine faces they see them as being associated with dominance -- which is a good thing in evolution but less good as a long-term partner," she said in a telephone interview.

In the study, published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences, the researchers asked more than 400 British men and women to judge digitally altered pictures of male faces made to look more masculine or feminine.

The participants were then asked to predict personality traits such as dominance, ambition, wealth and whether a person would be faithful or make a good parent, said Boothroyd, a researcher at Durham University.

But it wasn't the macho men who came out ahead. The study showed these masculine types with larger noses, smaller eyes and thicker eyebrows were viewed as less faithful and worse parents.

Instead it was the "feminine" faces with wide eyes, finer features and thinner, more curved eyebrows that were chosen as the best potential long-term mates, Boothroyd said.

And faces that also appeared healthier -- like those with better complexion -- were also seen as more desirable in all personality traits. This helps to counter claims that masculinity is best viewed as an indicator of genetic fitness and immunity to disease, Boothroyd said.

"Here what I'm showing is healthiness is really positive and masculinity isn't," Boothroyd said. "We shouldn't be thinking about masculinity in terms of health, which is a totally different thing in women's minds, but in terms of social dominance."


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When was it ever a bad thing to see a well groomed man? They seem to be insinuating that to be masculine you have to be dirty.
 
Actually I remember seeing a study that looked at what kind of men a woman was looking for based on her hormone levels during the month. If I remeber correctly it said that women wanted the more masculine looking men during the time in their cycle when they are ovulating, but were more interested in the more feminine looking men the rest of the month.
Kind of like one is good enough to produce children with (the more masculine) and one is better for lifetime relations (such as raising the children, remaining faithful, etc.).

Both are very interesting theories.
 
The Good Dr. Lynda Boothroyd

http://www.dur.ac.uk/psychology/staff/?username=dps0lgb
http://www.dur.ac.uk/l.g.boothroyd/

Some observations and comments.

After looking at some of her background and other studies, I found that she had some interesting ideas. I say ideas because I feel the research she conducted here did prove or showed proof of how culture (especially women) think(s). That in itself is of value and taken on that stance alone is worth consideration.

However, I think her research here has been a bit misleading in that most people have not stopped to ask....where is the other half of the research?

What other half you might ask? Well how about....reading this :

"The participants were then asked to predict personality traits such as dominance, ambition, wealth and whether a person would be faithful or make a good parent"

Then asking where is the research to prove wheather there is any truth that Dominant or masculine men make lousy life-long choices for partners? And just to be balanced is there any research about wheather or not masculine or dominante women make good life long partners? Is it a gender issue or is it a trait/characteristic issue?

I mean its clear that what is being implied here based upon the "predictions" of those researched, is that dominant men are not good life long choice for mates.

Are there ay numbers to back up this? No doubt what would be discovered is that there is probably a spectrum in which there are some good faithful masculine men, some not. Same could be said about masculine women? hmmmm

Her research may prove that sterotypically thinking still rules the day when it comes to this, but it doesn't show if there is any truth or merit in the assumption. Without further research to prove or disprove the numbers factually, we will never know for sure if masculine men are truly this way, or if perhaps there needs to be an adjustment in people's thinking so as to not think so sterotypical.

I have read many responses to this research all over the net and all of them are pretty negative. I don't think that her ideas are really as bad as many are trying to make them out to be. It is clear that much of the negative reaction sees this as nothing but feminist trying to push women to think feminine men are better life-long choices and masculine is bad. I am not going to go there as I didn't see any evidence that Dr. Boothroyd was trying to do that. But she cannot deny that the reaction to her research has implied exactly that.

She seems to use both men and women to conduct the research, but in her conclusion she states a distinction in women's thinking.

"We shouldn't be thinking about masculinity in terms of health, which is a totally different thing in women's minds..."


Color me purple and call me weird but I have always thought what makes a good life long partner is character and commitment. Last time I checked there were plenty of masculine and feminine type men who had both.

Sry Dr. Boothroyd, but I find too many assumptions and too much sterotypical thinking in your research and I also feel you left it in an unbalanced or in an inconclusive state. Your ideas have merit and have value in researching them provided you let reality dictate the outcome of your research and present the whole truth at the end, not just the part that fits your particular view.

Good article Richard
 
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