lube

[Iconfess]

So far in my sex life, I've used baby oil with my sex partners. Does this work as well as gel or other type lubes?

 

[meowkiss]

Baby oil really isn't the best choice for love play. Depending on what brand you use, it may contain ingredients which are definitely not safe to consume, and no brand is going to have an appealing taste.

 

[castagnus]

So far in my sex life, I've used baby oil with my sex partners. Does this work as well as gel or other type lubes?

I have found that natural saliva, applied lovingly and lavishly before penetration works best for anal intercourse. For most of us, there are glands that provide the secretions that come are triggered during defecation and those glands are often stimulated during anal intercourse to provide continual lubrication, if she enjoys the experience.

 

[graceanne]

Ok, first off the whole safety thing - you do realize you shouldn't use baby oil with condoms, right?

Also, baby oil works ok depending on the needs. For someone who's lubricating pretty well, yeah it's fine. The problem is it absorbs into the skin a lot more quickly than KY and similar forms of lube, so you have to use more and apply more often. I've heard good things about astro-glide, btw.

 

[twysted73]

Personal preference: The absolute best I've used thus far is a product by the people at "Wet" called "Platinum/Premium". Not sticky at all. And the lasting effects are rather substantial with little reapplication to your partner.

 

[Etoile]

I have found that natural saliva, applied lovingly and lavishly before penetration works best for anal intercourse. For most of us, there are glands that provide the secretions that come are triggered during defecation and those glands are often stimulated during anal intercourse to provide continual lubrication, if she enjoys the experience.

Are you insane?? The anus doesn't self-lubricate!! http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/arg.gif

Plus I know someone who got anal herpes from someone who had oral herpes and used spit for anal.

Astroglide all the way for me. I prefer water-based lubes.

 

[castagnus]

Are you insane?? The anus doesn't self-lubricate!! http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/arg.gif

This may not be the case with some women but my experience has been that with those that really enjoy the experience, no extra lubrication is necessary after penetration.

 

[Etoile]

This may not be the case with some women but my experience has been that with those that really enjoy the experience, no extra lubrication is necessary after penetration.

The anus does not self-lubricate. Period.

Now, it's possible that you haven't felt the need for extra lube with some women, particularly those who enjoy it.

But biologically, physically, the anus does not self-lubricate in males or females.

 

[castagnus]

The anus does not self-lubricate. Period.

Now, it's possible that you haven't felt the need for extra lube with some women, particularly those who enjoy it.

But biologically, physically, the anus does not self-lubricate in males or females.

Look up "The glands of the anal canal in man" .

 

[Bollocks_Bitch]

Personal preference: The absolute best I've used thus far is a product by the people at "Wet" called "Platinum/Premium".Not sticky at all. And the lasting effects are rather substantial with little reapplication to your partner.

Twysted is right. It is pretty high quality and long lasting.

Although if you are using baby oil, maybe you are requiring something a little more slippery. If that's the case, Maximus works real well, however, it is a little on the thick side. Personally I don't care for it, esp for anal, cause it takes all the fun out of the discomfort.

 

[Etoile]

Look up "The glands of the anal canal in man" .

Now you're just being an idiot.

Your source:

1. a single paper from 1961 (PDF link)

My sources:

1. Sex author Heather Corinna (this is a website for TEENS)
2. Random blog on the internet (normal dorks know this stuff)
3. Go Ask Alice (Columbia University Health Services sex advice column)
4. Unisex.org.uk (Universities of Brighton and Sussex sexual health site)
5. Random discussion forum (again, this is a well-known fact)
6. Daily Californian (Female Anatomy 101 article)
7. GayHealth.com (see, applies to men too)
8. Sex author Violet Blue (book for teen girls)
9. Mixed Plate Special (blog-style sex advice column)
10. eSensuality.com - Jennifer Haddad (sex & sexuality educator)

Surely I don't need to keep going.

 

[castagnus]

Now you're just being an idiot.

Your source:

1. a single paper from 1961 (PDF link)

My sources:

1. Sex author Heather Corinna (this is a website for TEENS)
2. Random blog on the internet (normal dorks know this stuff)
3. Go Ask Alice (Columbia University Health Services sex advice column)
4. Unisex.org.uk (Universities of Brighton and Sussex sexual health site)
5. Random discussion forum (again, this is a well-known fact)
6. Daily Californian (Female Anatomy 101 article)
7. GayHealth.com (see, applies to men too)
8. Sex author Violet Blue (book for teen girls)
9. Mixed Plate Special (blog-style sex advice column)
10. eSensuality.com - Jennifer Haddad (sex & sexuality educator)

Surely I don't need to keep going.

Yes, but then there is my personal experience which informs me otherwise.

 

[Etoile]

Yes, but then there is my personal experience which informs me otherwise.

Whatever. It's obviously not worth arguing with you, you don't listen to reason OR SCIENCE.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Sometimes Master just uses spit/pussy juice to lube my ass but we're fluid bonded and monogamous so it's not an issue. It works ok for short-ish sessions and when he wants me to feel a degree of discomfort but as Etoile said, the anus does not self lubricate. The secretions it does produce are purely to ease the journey of faeces and are certainly not produced in amounts that would be conducive to anal sex.

As for other lubes... I don't favour baby oil as it's a bitch to get out of fabrics and has a sticky texture that I find unpleasant after about 5mins out of the bottle. I like water based lubes and the best one I found was called ID Glide. I have no idea if it's available in the states.

Silicone lubes can damage silicone toys and I've never found one that I would favour over water-based. KY is a good, safe bet and they do lots of other products now like warming lube, tingling menthol lube and massage oil that's condom friendly.

 

[SweetErika]

I like water based lubes and the best one I found was called ID Glide. I have no idea if it's available in the states.

Silicone lubes can damage silicone toys and I've never found one that I would favour over water-based. KY is a good, safe bet and they do lots of other products now like warming lube, tingling menthol lube and massage oil that's condom friendly.

ID Glide and all other ID lubes (including ID Millennium, the silicone lube we use) are available in the U.S. You can get free samples by googling ID lube and going to the manufacturer's website.

We haven't found anything better than silicone lube. It's a multitasker that lasts forever, moisturizing and doesn't cause infections or allergic reactions. A little goes a long way, too - a 16 ounce bottle keeps us lubed up for several years.

KY Jelly was never intended as a sexual lube, which is why it gets sticky/gummy so fast. There are far better water-based lubes out there, some with no chemicals or glycerin (so they don't promote irritation or infections).

I'd never use baby oil as a lube. Refined petroleum products don't go in my orifices for health reasons. A little ointment or vaseline externally is one thing (though I use silicone lube and even 100% natural lip balm now), but I really don't want that junk screwing with my body, toys or condoms.

If I was determined to use an oil-based lube, I'd go for a bit of olive or coconut oil. There are probably other types of oils that don't promote infection by either screwing with the vagina's self-cleaning mechanism or giving bacteria plenty of food, but those are the two I've heard recommended by doctors and longtime users.

Babeland.com has great info on lubes, from all natural to anal and beyond: http://www.babeland.com/sexinfo/howto/choose-lube

 

[castagnus]

Whatever. It's obviously not worth arguing with you, you don't listen to reason OR SCIENCE.

"Truth in Science" is not determined by majority vote. Things are what they are, irrespective of one's fondest desires or pre-conceived notions or tendency to get annoyed by what one "knows"not to be so. As a physicist/engineer/inventor I have learned from observing my colleagues over the years that not many retain a true scientific temper, which is to always have an open mind for unorthodoxy and to cheerfully reject one's most cherised beliefs in light of new evidence.

Again, my experience instructs me that some women are endowed with the ability to self-lubricate during anal sex for long periods of time, just as most of my partners have had the ability to provide copious secretions for long periods of time during coitus. Unfortunately, not all women are so blessed in their anal orifice, although I suspect that for some, vestigal glands may be coaxed into limited functioning as a resut of repeated stimulation.

There is no point in responding to this Etoile, but this matter has intrigued me sufficiently to start a Thread in the GL section on this topic to see if others have experienced what I have.

 

[graceanne]

Whatever. It's obviously not worth arguing with you, you don't listen to reason OR SCIENCE.

Silly girl. Obviously you (and the rest of the people on this forum) don't know anything. What were you THINKING of?

 

[Etoile]

Silly girl. Obviously you (and the rest of the people on this forum) don't know anything. What were you THINKING of?

It makes my head hurt how messed up this is. And you should see the thread in GLBT.

 

[graceanne]

It makes my head hurt how messed up this is. And you should see the thread in GLBT.

I looked briefly. It's scary how people still don't know anything about their own bodies. I mean WHAT are they teaching in schools these days?

Gee, I wonder if possibly what they think is 'lubrication' is possibly . . . poop? Beyond that, just because the person's enjoying themselves doesn't mean that there's lubrication. Some people LIKE it that way.

 

[Etoile]

I looked briefly. It's scary how people still don't know anything about their own bodies. I mean WHAT are they teaching in schools these days?

Gee, I wonder if possibly what they think is 'lubrication' is possibly . . . poop? Beyond that, just because the person's enjoying themselves doesn't mean that there's lubrication. Some people LIKE it that way.

I thought of the second thing, but not the first!! ROFL

 

[ataxia.girl]

Some people LIKE it that way.

*raises hand*

i've started using those 3 day lube thingies you squirt into yourself. i use the KY one and it works really well. Maybe i should try a suppository in my poo hole as well.

For big things i like Elbow Grease just because it doesn't drip and is safe with silicone toys.

 

[Homburg]

Whatever. It's obviously not worth arguing with you, you don't listen to reason OR SCIENCE.

Time for devil's advocate.

Are you calling castagnus a liar? Are you saying the he is incorrect about his own experiences, or somehow misinterpreted his own sensations, or those of his partner?

I'm not trying to hem you up, but he isn't exactly talking theory. He's talking about his own equipment inserted into a partner of his. He's wrong about his own impressions?

I ask because I've had the same experience. I've done "dry" anal numerous times with a couple of different partners, and the only lube present was whatever was left on my cock from vaginal penetration prior. And I can honestly say that more than once I have *felt* a perceived increased in lubrication as she became excited.

Now, maybe my cock was lying to me. Your links sure seem to imply that my dick is a lying bastard. This is admittedly not too hard to believe because, as the guys in the room will testify, your cock will tell you all sorts of lies in order to get you motivated to get some pussy. But, silly asshole that I am, I am inclined to trust the tactile sensations I was experiencing at the time.

And I am not necessarily positing the existence of anal lubrication glands, but the whole area is mucous membranes, and there are secretions that occur in there to ease excretion. Accepting the plain fact that each body is different, is it so very difficult to believe that some people do lubricate at least to some extent?




ETA: I don't know castagnus, and am not vouching for his honesty here. I am just questioning a line of argument that seems to be saying "I don't care what your experiences are, consensus tells us it can't be so." Last time I checked, it was still not possible to prove a negative.

 

[Etoile]

Here is what I am saying.

The vagina self-lubricates.
The anus does not.
Period.

Others may think they feel that it does, but according to human biology, it does not.

That's all I'm going to say on this subject. I am secure in the belief that my statements are scientifically sound.

 

[Homburg]

Here is what I am saying.

The vagina self-lubricates.
The anus does not.
Period.

Others may think they feel that it does, but according to human biology, it does not.

That's all I'm going to say on this subject. I am secure in the belief that my statements are scientifically sound.

Eh, I have a Liberal Arts degree, so I am no expert. I do remember Mrs Reviea, my high school AP Chem teacher telling me that the best scientists were the ones who doubted.

If you really want to have some fun on the topic of human biology being screwed up, look at sports science in the 50's and 60's, and compare what we thought was "true" in the West with what the Soviets were doing. Or look at the stumbling around in the dark that is the field of neurology (talk to a neurologist about migraines, for example). Or just talk to any doctor that is on the forefront of medical research. Human biology is not rat biology, or cow biology, or any other animal out there. We're bloody weird, and our freaks are really freaky.

In short, I don't accept current scientific consensus as if it were somehow graven in stone by the hand of god. Neither do good scientists, at least according to my chem teacher *shrug*



ETA (and, geeze, I'm as bad as Netzach today): In regards to your actual statement, I disagree. The proper statement would be "Some vaginas self-lubricate." There are enough that don't that there is an entire section of lubricant products in your local drugstore, and not all are intended for sexual purposes. The product that ataxia.girl mentions is intended for chronically dry vaginas outside of sexual situations. Just another example of variance in the biological weirdness that is the human body.

 

[BiBunny]

I'ma go out on a limb here and say that any lubrication felt by a man sticking his dick in a chick's ass is going to be vaginal lubrication that's dripped. It happens. I soak the insides of my thighs on a regular basis, and it's not unusual for me to feel it drip down the crack of my ass, either. After a thrust or two, it's going to be on his cock and inside my ass.

ETA: I like Pjur Eros, the silicone version, for most things and something oil-based (Vaseline, Boy Butter, whatever's handy) for use with silicone toys.