'Loving wives'='Cheating wives'???

[BedtimeStories77]

Besides, this brings my question back... If tales of cheating wives, cuckolding, swinging, etc, do not count as "Tales of adventurous married women & their mates", what the hell does? What is the "appropriate" tale that belongs in Loving Wives?

 

[BedtimeStories77]

...Grrr... Excuse this double post during Lit's hic'up!

 

[Sean Renaud]

I hear what is being said about new categories and how long it would take to fix what's already wrong. I don't really see any reason why you would have to fix what has come before. There are enough stories on Lit honestly that you could just send a global telling authors they have 90 days to pick what category or else deletion and it wouldn't end the world. But even if the only thing that adding a new category did was prevent future confusion I would still support it.

And as I've said I think at the very least gay and lesbian should be rolled into a single Homosexual category (honestly if you can't tell if you are dealing with boys or girls between the title and the breif descriptor the author didn't do their job. . .at all) and Non-Human is inherently sci-fi since Lit doesn't allow for bestiality. It would be different if it did but currently that isn't the case and I see no reason why those two shouldn't be eliminated.

Besides as has been pointed out several times in the past we wouldn't really need to make a loving wives category. Romance sufficiently handles that category. A simple name change from LW to Cuckold would work.

 

[emap]

Gotta love the persnickity forums.

Anyway i'm going to point out something that a few of the really old farts can remind you whipper snappers of, Literotica at one time did bestiality, hence the non human, except I think at the time it was called extreme or something equally silly. It wasn't just bestiality but apparently was most of it, Science fiction and fantasy were one category, but well obviously they aren't exactly the same thingy.

Now that said, there is a reason why they don't just add new categories to fill out later, Nobody would look at them, people get set in their ways very quickly, and of course changing the name of loving wives would have something like half of the readers of literotica up in arms. Can be avoided by doing a poll for a new name, except most would not vote if loving wives was not there and if it was it would be voted as the name by roughly 99.9% of the people who voted. Combining categories like lesbian and gay male does in a way make sense, except well they are two completely different sexual practices.

No seriously think about it, two guys having sex works differently than two women, unless you include strap ons. Or to put it another way, supposing there was a doggy style category and a missionary category, if all you wanted to read was doggy style would you want to have to wade through a bunch of missionary stories to find the doggy?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Literotica had an entire separate website when it had bestiality. It was Rape, bestiality and I think Snuff. It was some super hardcore stuff. I highly doubt that nonhuman has ANYTHING to do with that since like I said it had its whole own website, I remember cus it had black background instead of white like regular lit world.

I don't understand why you think that any less people would read new sections than read the current ones. Or would be confused if there was some restructuring to lower the over all number of categories which I think is a little out of control. To be honest I doubt that the majority of readers on Lit use the categories on a regular basis. Speaking both as a reader and a writer (though obviously I have never done a poll) People read what is on the NEW stories category. It's just like movies whatever they don't sell in the first three weeks they are highly unlikely to ever sell.

 

[emap]

Oi, you are so out of it.

People do look at what category a story is in, I recently posted an erotic horror and it's getting barely any views, probably because it's erotic horror. Though possible it's because I wrote it.

Alot of the readers only read from one or two categories, they kinda have to use the categories, or search for one specific type of story. If the categories are combined or split, the new categories if they don't get the stories having to do with said category won't be looked at because they are there and empty to start, think about it in an online game manner. If the game starts buggy and crash heavy it's sales suffer heavily and never recover. Like vanguard, it never really had much of a playerbase because it was released way early. Same thing happens if you redo the game, like Galaxies, it was doing quite well for an online game, then Sony decided to redo the combat, and then everything else, just one perhaps it would have gone over better, as it stands now, Galaxies is something like 1000 cancelings away from folding.

Generally when it involves people, if it isn't broken don't do anything because many to most will toss a fit.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

Besides, this brings my question back... If tales of cheating wives, cuckolding, swinging, etc, do not count as "Tales of adventurous married women & their mates", what the hell does? What is the "appropriate" tale that belongs in Loving Wives?

Loving Wives.

 

[Reshbod]

Loving Wives.

And around we go again, for the rest of eternity.

There really is no reason to make a big production of changing, relocating or adding categories. A simply name change to something like 'Adventurous Spouses' would be an improvement. But, since the powers that be seem content to leave it that is fine with me.

Besides, no matter what words are picked, there are some who will complain.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

And around we go again, for the rest of eternity.

There really is no reason to make a big production of changing, relocating or adding categories. A simply name change to something like 'Adventurous Spouses' would be an improvement. But, since the powers that be seem content to leave it that is fine with me.

Besides, no matter what words are picked, there are some who will complain.

oh, some of them PC's in LW. woooooh!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oi, you are so out of it.

People do look at what category a story is in, I recently posted an erotic horror and it's getting barely any views, probably because it's erotic horror. Though possible it's because I wrote it.
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I see your point. I still disagree but I understand what you are saying. There is no doubt that certain categories are more read than others. I've written in almost every category and I don't deny that. But I still believe that the majority of readers pick their stories from the NEW category and use the category as a guide line since titles don't often tell you what's up. Again to use a movie anaology I'm confident that it's like going to Blockbuster. Sure the action movies rent more copies than the chick flick but that's because of fanbase. If you suddenly decided to label The Matrix as "robot uprising" and put in a category with Terminator and I Robot instead of action I doubt it would effect sales. To the same point I doubt that if you started labeling Loving Wives stories as Cuckolds or Cheating Spouses that it would effect anything because I don't believe the majority of readers are clicking on Loving Wives to begin with. I believe they are clicking on NEW stories and glossing through that untill something catches there eye.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

There's some good points here regarding the categories.

I agree that essentially Non Human and Sci-Fi are the same thing. In fact, those two categories have more in common than Sci-Fi does with Fantasy. (Meaning the "knights of the roundtable", pixies, fairies, dragon's, etc.)

Back when Literotica authors (like Hullo_Nurse) wrote bestiality stories, they were found VIA the "extreme" link at AllExtremeSex.com. The same goes with extreme forms of rape and snuff. (Curiously, though the format is still here with "non consent", "non human", and "other extreme", the Lit author stories have been erased and replaced with stories by some S. Sarge guy.)

Anyway, perhaps the Loving Wives category could be renamed to "Cheating Wives" or something. (Since not every "appropriate" tale involves cuckolding.) As it's been pointed out, a "very loving wife" in a story would belong in the Romance category... If a man feels his OBEDIENT wife is a "loving" wife, then said story belongs in BDSM, and so on.

 

[emap]

Well yeah non human and sci fi are almost the same thing except here's the stickler, where do you put a vampire story with no violence or death? Granted it's something of a fantasy type story, except Fantasy is full of mages and ogres and dragons, vampires are pretty tame compared to that. Not a sci fi story either, not a horror I mean what's the horror, sleeping with a vampire and being bitten isn't all that horrific.

Same with a werewolf sex story, if all that happens is a regular person has sex with a werewolf it doesn't fit anywhere except non human. You can make the same case for most of the fantasy creatures, I mean seriously, where would you put a goblin gangbang of a willing human woman? Or an alien encounter with just sex, something like a woman is walking along and is called into an alley where she has sex with an alien. That's not sci fi, and it's not regular sex, putting it in fantasy is insulting to fantasy and so forth.

Yes some of the categories are related to a large degree and sometimes you find something in one that probably should be in another. But think about it this way, so far as I know the only people making money to run this site are Laurel and Manu. I'm sure they wouldn't mind restructuring the stories and adding more categories but the hard part would be doing it with no paid help. They would have to get the volunteers to help or do it alone, neither is really worth the effort when the way it is now works fine.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It does work well enough as is. I don't deny that. I dont' see any good reason why all the story types you mentioned couldn't go just fine in Sci-Fi. It works for book stores. Hell in bookstores you "graduate" from being Sci-Fi to being Fiction. No seriously Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Sci-Fi. Interview with the Vampire, Fiction.

But you make a good point and I suppose that's a good enough reason to keep the category. I still don't like it.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... Back when Literotica authors (like Hullo_Nurse) wrote bestiality stories, they were found VIA the "extreme" link at AllExtremeSex.com. The same goes with extreme forms of rape and snuff. (Curiously, though the format is still here with "non consent", "non human", and "other extreme", the Lit author stories have been erased and replaced with stories by some S. Sarge guy.) ...

Moreover the stories on there would mostly be acceptable on Lit!

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Snooper, any idea how/why the Lit author stories were erased?

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

Snooper, any idea how/why the Lit author stories were erased?

The how is easy - pushing a few buttons with administrator privileges.

As to why, a few theories, some wilder than others, but that's all.

 

[emap]

I don't know, if the site is still run by Laurel and Manu they would have deleted because they didn't want bestiality to be associated with lit anymore. If they don't or never did most likely because they asked the owner to delete them.

Course it is also possible they were deleted by the authors because they were asked to, though probably not.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

I guess I looked at it from the standpoint that each author owns his/her story. We own the copyright and Lit publishes on the net for us. I was imagining how pissed off many people would be if Lit was sold (or whatever) and each story of theirs was deleted. I guess I figured any form of publisher kinda was obligated to keep their "client's"/author's work available. I'm sure I'm just looking into this too much.

 

[emap]

Probably, though if I recall correctly there was a broadening of laws concerning bestiality making it restricted online to. Most likely the whole thing happened because of that and well dang I don't think anybody would toss a fit to see illegal materials removed before it became illegal.

 

[BallsOfSteel]

Probably, though if I recall correctly there was a broadening of laws concerning bestiality making it restricted online to. Most likely the whole thing happened because of that and well dang I don't think anybody would toss a fit to see illegal materials removed before it became illegal.

So I guess stories about my ex would be illegal then. She was quite the bitch.

 

[BallsOfSteel]

Well, it's really frustrating after reading some true gems in the category. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Every time I read something it's time taken away from reading something else. It's frustrating enough to give up trying.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It wasn't so much a broadening of the laws as it was a broadening of the interpretations of the law. Which are functionally the same anyway. Basically up until late Bush admin writing stories about pedophillia were perfectly legal. As were drawings and even photoshoping. The reason was that the law required harming an actual child. And until Rodger Rabbit is proven to be factual the words I write on a page are not harming anybody. Lit still didn't allow it but it was legal for them too. I imagine the same thing kinda happened with bestiality.

I'm not debating the rules nor the sites reasons. I have found particularly over the last year (though I had noticed some of it before) the application of the rules to be a little insane at times. I have a story about a gingerbread man who is specifically noted to be 18 just in case but important detail is that he's not real and I don't think I should have to wait eighteen years for a Gingerbread Man or a sex robot. As long as they were created as adults. What's more is there isn't even any sex. Just like the real story of the Gingerbread man it ends with him getting tricked and eaten, not by a fox but by a bunch of foxy babes but seriously it was kicked back for underaged. At some point the application of said rules steps beyond the realm of sanity.

 

[BallsOfSteel]

Besides, this brings my question back... If tales of cheating wives, cuckolding, swinging, etc, do not count as "Tales of adventurous married women & their mates", what the hell does? What is the "appropriate" tale that belongs in Loving Wives?

The key word is loving. There are some truly great stories about swinging, sharing, and even cheating that feature fully loving spouses. The problem I have with the cheating and especially the cuckolding stories is that so many of them have no love at their core. They tend to center on selfishness instead. You can have cheating spouses who also love, but many of the stories in that category have cheating wives who neither love nor respect their husbands in any way at all. (And they are usually stories about cheating wives rather than cheating husbands.) If there is no actual love at the core of the story, it should not belong in loving wives. Love and sex are not the same things. Do you understand the difference?

 

[Panthmod]

What the hell's going on with that section? It seems that at least 2/3 of those stories are about 'loving wives' cheating on their husbands, putting the onus on the husbands to forgive their wives. Shouldn't there be a 'loving husbands' section for those stories?
When the hell did 'loving wives' = 'cheating wives'???

Yes, it's what's known as a euphemism.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Balls, yes I know the difference between love and sex.

At any rate, a story I wrote years ago (for a friend at Lit that requested the tale based on his real fantasies) about cuckolding was loving and a shared fetish for the couple.