Los Angeles stands up to ICE

[Chernosoth]

Most Americans have a short list of political issues. They want jobs that pay their bills and safe communities where they can raise their families. Anything else is probably a long winded variation of one of those two, or casually ignored. The Dems are flagrantly violating both of those wants and doubling down on the violations, with mass illegal immigration that suppresses wages and includes violent criminals, refusing to allow illegals' deportation, and now rioting. The next election won't go well for them.

 

[Politruk]

Most Americans have a short list of political issues. They want jobs that pay their bills and safe communities where they can raise their families. Anything else is probably a long winded variation of one of those two, or casually ignored. The Dems are flagrantly violating both of those wants and doubling down on the violations, with mass illegal immigration that suppresses wages and includes violent criminals, refusing to allow illegals' deportation, and now rioting. The next election won't go well for them.

There is no way in which America will be better off without the illegal immigrants. Quite the reverse.

 

[dmallord]

That's how it is working.

I understand the law, you don't!

During the Floyd riots Waltz let his city burn. He reacted too slow. Using the Floyd riots as an example is quite comical. Trump let governors run the show and the results were a dismal failure. Billions in damages, businesses destroyed and people killed. Trump took the initiative and put Guardsmen on active duty status to protect federal real estate and government employees. They were put on site and were there if things got out of control.

I understand the law. What's old news is you see things through the prism of TDS. Trump did the right thing. Guardsmen never closed with protesters.

Federal!!!! It's a federal issue.

Perhaps review the supremacy clause. Democrat leadership cannot be trusted to protect its own people. After all the fuckups California politicians have leveled against their people and your railing against Trump for being pro-active and well within his constitutional authority.

How do you know what the threshold was?.

Your TDS is shining through brightly.

A Federal District Judge just ruled tonight that Trump violated and exceeded his authority to call up the National Guard in California.

The judge gave Trump time to appeal, and he did so, asking the appeals court for a ruling by midnight tonight.

Your view of the situation, based on the judge's statements, seems to me to show that you do not have a good grasp of the law. Otherwise, the court would have ruled in Trump's favor.

Now, go ahead and start the Biden crooked Judge stuff and blow off the legalities of the case by a veteran judge appointed to determine such cases.

I don't have TDS, Sparky. I was vaccinated for that.

 

[dmallord]

Most Americans have a short list of political issues. They want jobs that pay their bills and safe communities where they can raise their families. Anything else is probably a long winded variation of one of those two, or casually ignored. The Dems are flagrantly violating both of those wants and doubling down on the violations, with mass illegal immigration that suppresses wages and includes violent criminals, refusing to allow illegals' deportation, and now rioting. The next election won't go well for them.

MOsT migrants want the same thing you list as wants: care for their families, a job that does that. Most of those are in unskilled jobs doing work that Americans feel is beneath them. They are harvesting your crops. That work is backbreaking and tiring. I'm reasonably certain none of those harvesters are downtown in LA protesting horse-riding berserk policemen trampling them. They would be home after getting out of the fields, preparing meals, and listening to music, probably before retiring early to start again in the morning.

As for the criminals, those are probably not in the fields. So, focus on rounding those up instead of concentrating on those in meat-packing plants in jobs that good old Americans are not applying for. Taking those jobs has in no way suppressed wages, BTW.

Set some priorities why don't the Trumper's ICEmen? No? Sure go for the easy prey, those who don't have the ability to fight back.

 

[butters]

Republicans Used to Care About the Tenth Amendment—Until Gavin Newsom Cited It in His Lawsuit
well worth reading the entire piece

 

[YDB95]

Most Americans have a short list of political issues. They want jobs that pay their bills and safe communities where they can raise their families. Anything else is probably a long winded variation of one of those two, or casually ignored. The Dems are flagrantly violating both of those wants and doubling down on the violations, with mass illegal immigration that suppresses wages and includes violent criminals, refusing to allow illegals' deportation, and now rioting. The next election won't go well for them.

Icanhelp? How'd you get Chernosoth's password?

 

[icanhelp1]

A Federal District Judge just ruled tonight that Trump violated and exceeded his authority to call up the National Guard in California.

The judge gave Trump time to appeal, and he did so, asking the appeals court for a ruling by midnight tonight.

Your view of the situation, based on the judge's statements, seems to me to show that you do not have a good grasp of the law. Otherwise, the court would have ruled in Trump's favor.

Now, go ahead and start the Biden crooked Judge stuff and blow off the legalities of the case by a veteran judge appointed to determine such cases.

I don't have TDS, Sparky. I was vaccinated for that.

https://abc7news.com/post/san-franc...rumps-use-national-guard-marines-la/16735792/

Appeals court temporarily blocks judge's ruling for Trump to return control of National Guard to CA​

SAN FRANCISCO -- The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday temporarily blocked a federal judge's order that directed President Donald Trump to return control of National Guard troops to California after he deployed them there following protests in Los Angeles over immigration raids.

The court said it would hold a hearing on the matter on June 17. The ruling came only hours after a federal judge's order was to take effect at noon Friday.

 

[dmallord]

Icanhelp? How'd you get Chernosoth's password?

Are you hinting these two are one and the same?

 

[icanhelp1]

Icanhelp? How'd you get Chernosoth's password?

Fortunately there are millions of Americans who are totally fed up with democrats flagrantly ignoring the will of the people. Trump was hired now let him do his job.

 

[dmallord]

https://abc7news.com/post/san-franc...rumps-use-national-guard-marines-la/16735792/

That's the next step. They set an agenda for Tuesday, I believe, to go over the matter and decide whether to uphold or not uphold the original decision.

That's how the LAW works, Bubba.

What's the matter? Were you too tired and couldn't type out a reply? I see the hour is late. So get some rest. Come back with further developments.

I watched eighteen minutes of the governor excoriate the felon on national television. It was righteous. The cases of child terrorism he cited due to ICE actions were spine-tingling. Something only a fascist government would operate under, yet it happened in America, under our USA America.

 

[dmallord]

Fortunately there are millions of Americans who are totally fed up with democrats flagrantly ignoring the will of the people. Trump was hired now let him do his job.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Politruk]

Fortunately there are millions of Americans who are totally fed up with democrats flagrantly ignoring the will of the people. Trump was hired now let him do his job.

There are a lot more Americans totally fed up with how Trump is doing his job. That's what the polls show.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Fortunately there are millions of Americans who are totally fed up with democrats flagrantly ignoring the will of the people. Trump was hired now let him do his job.

Kristi Noem announced today she was going to ignore the people’s elected representatives in LA. Total disregard for the will of the people.

 

[YDB95]

Are you hinting these two are one and the same?

No. I was hinting that Chernosoth sounded more like Icanthelpit, who seems to see illegal immigration as the root of just about everything wrong. I don't agree with Chernosoth very often, but I don't recall him going off the deep end like that before.

Fortunately there are millions of Americans who are totally fed up with democrats flagrantly ignoring the will of the people. Trump was hired now let him do his job.

Trump won because of the price of eggs, but that's really beside the point. Many if not most - possibly even all - of those "millions of Americans" are misinformed, as you have demonstrated every time you've whined about Biden's non-existent "open border policy". There never was any such thing.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Gavin Newsom:
“The courts have ruled. The Guard will be back under my command — and Donald Trump will be relieved of his command at noon tomorrow.”

 

[Chernosoth]

MOsT migrants want the same thing you list as wants: care for their families, a job that does that. Most of those are in unskilled jobs doing work that Americans feel is beneath them. They are harvesting your crops. That work is backbreaking and tiring. I'm reasonably certain none of those harvesters are downtown in LA protesting horse-riding berserk policemen trampling them. They would be home after getting out of the fields, preparing meals, and listening to music, probably before retiring early to start again in the morning.

As for the criminals, those are probably not in the fields. So, focus on rounding those up instead of concentrating on those in meat-packing plants in jobs that good old Americans are not applying for. Taking those jobs has in no way suppressed wages, BTW.

Your excuses are long past stale and also just plain bizarre. You are defending mass exploitation of immigrants for cheap backbreaking labor.

We will be doing more of our own labor, but in more humane amounts. Huge farms will fail and break up into smaller farms, so smallhold farmers can work their land and still be able to stand afterwards. Prison labor is common in meatpacking plants. That's another business model with a short lifespan.

 

[dmallord]

Gavin Newsom:
“The courts have ruled. The Guard will be back under my command — and Donald Trump will be relieved of his command at noon tomorrow.”

Except he will have to wait a little while longer. Since the appeals court has stayed the order until it can hear the case on Tuesday.

 

[dmallord]

Your excuses are long past stale and also just plain bizarre. You are defending mass exploitation of immigrants for cheap backbreaking labor.

We will be doing more of our own labor, but in more humane amounts. Huge farms will fail and break up into smaller farms, so smallhold farmers can work their land and still be able to stand afterwards. Prison labor is common in meatpacking plants. That's another business model with a short lifespan.

Cesar Chavez worked for them to organize and get better wages etc. Still, there we have a long, long row to hoe in the economic fields for migrants.

I'm not in favor of mass exploitation in any form. Just pointed out that, maybe not too well, that migrants are not mass murderers for the most part nor drug dealers either, for that matter. Just people. People with kids who want the same life we call the American Dream. They are not the type to be downtown LA like I stated, causing chaos.

How do huge farms fail and break up into smaller farms? The trend is the reverse. Conglomerates are absorbing small farms.

No, prison labor is not 'common' in meat-packing plants, but it does exist due to a loophole. The 13th Amendment to the US Constitution abolishes slavery except "as punishment for a crime," which is seen as a loophole allowing for the use of prison labor.

 

[Politruk]

We will be doing more of our own labor, but in more humane amounts. Huge farms will fail and break up into smaller farms, so smallhold farmers can work their land and still be able to stand afterwards.

There is no reason at all to expect that to happen. The agribiz mechanized plantation model is more profitable.

 

[Politruk]

Your excuses are long past stale and also just plain bizarre. You are defending mass exploitation of immigrants for cheap backbreaking labor.

They do the same work they would at home, but they earn more money.

 

[Chernosoth]

How do huge farms fail and break up into smaller farms? The trend is the reverse. Conglomerates are absorbing small farms.

They destroy soil fertility, erode soil, deplete aquifers that needed millennia to fill, and depend on fossil fuel and imported chemical fertilizer. The corporate business model focused on immediate profit will wipe them out with long term consequences. Some currently farmed areas won't have farms for a long while until the soil recovers and the climate changes enough to put water there. The farms that survive will have farmers carefully tending their little plots with sustainable compost and conservation of all resources. That may include arrangements with nearby towns to take all their crap as fertilizer.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

 

[dmallord]

They destroy soil fertility, erode soil, deplete aquifers that needed millennia to fill, and depend on fossil fuel and imported chemical fertilizer. The corporate business model focused on immediate profit will wipe them out with long term consequences. Some currently farmed areas won't have farms for a long while until the soil recovers and the climate changes enough to put water there. The farms that survive will have farmers carefully tending their little plots with sustainable compost and conservation of all resources. That may include arrangements with nearby towns to take all their crap as fertilizer.

I started my life on small farms in Michigan. These single-family farms used fertilizer, rotated crops, and depended on fossil fuels for land and heat. Today's corporate farms seem to grasp this concept well and apply more science to land care than single-family farmers can.

However, climate change will be uncontrollable for both small and large farm concepts. Your take is that the industrial complex model will collapse, perhaps due to climate change, and survivors will have to reboot to the smaller plot concept of yesteryear. I get that dystopian viewpoint. Hopefully, we will adapt and devise better means of survival than that.

The government certainly isn't helping with its bailouts to farmers, large or small, who get paid not to grow the same crops year after year. It doesn't encourage adaptation to grow a different crop or use the land.

 

[Chernosoth]

Your take is that the industrial complex model will collapse, perhaps due to climate change, and survivors will have to reboot to the smaller plot concept of yesteryear. I get that dystopian viewpoint. Hopefully, we will adapt and devise better means of survival than that.

Industrial farming will collapse due to its own unsustainable use of resources. Climate change may eventually heal most of the damage. The western US will be more desert for a few centuries, but may eventually become more tropical as a hotter earth moves more water up from the oceans.

 

[Baztrachian]

Industrial farming will collapse due to its own unsustainable use of resources. Climate change may eventually heal most of the damage. The western US will be more desert for a few centuries, but may eventually become more tropical as a hotter earth moves more water up from the oceans.

Massive props here for understanding that a warmer climate is necessarily a wetter climate.