Looks like war to me

Ishmael

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McCain has come out with some very strong words concerning the upcoming Supreme Court nominations. I can see Reid, Boxer, Kennedy, Clinton, and Schumer going ballistic now.

Sen. McCain [R-AZ] Strong Words On Supreme Ct Nomination at Dallas Fundraiser: 'During the campaign, President Bush said he will appoint judges who will strictly interpret the constitution... thinking anything else is either amnesia or ignorance... elections have consequences... whomever he nominates deserves an up or down vote and no filibuster... and an up or down vote is what we will have'...

Sounds like McCain is ready to change the rules of the Senate now if the Dems try a filibuster.

It's going to be fun, you bet.

Ishmael
 
And we all know what they mean when they say strictly interpret the Constitution.

Means they want a GOP puppet.
 
Killswitch said:
And we all know what they mean when they say strictly interpret the Constitution.

Means they want a GOP puppet.
Better than a dim puppet. Have you signed up for the bids on David Souters house?
 
I for one would LOVE to see them drag in the cots. (At least it would get the latest celebrity murder/child kidnapping off the cable news shows.)

But I'm not holding my breath. Those fucking prima donnas in the senate are too fucking spoiled to sleep in anything so lowly as a COT!
 
BlueEyesInLevis said:
I for one would LOVE to see them drag in the cots. (At least it would get the latest celebrity murder/child kidnapping off the cable news shows.)

But I'm not holding my breath. Those fucking prima donnas in the senate are too fucking spoiled to sleep in anything so lowly as a COT!

Yep, if you're going to have a filibuster - have a filibuster. No more pretend shit.

Doesn't matter. The Dems are going to go ballistic and the Senate will vote to change the rules. McCain was one of the 'gang of fourteen' and he's just fired a serious shot across their bows.

Ishmael
 
McCain is going to regret these changes in rules in 2006 when the GOP faces the wrath of all those Americans who are now overwhelmingly opposed to GOP policy...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_29/c3943060_mz013.htm

Washington Outlook

Independents Are Having Buyer's Remorse

The Schiavo case has led many swing voters to turn their backs on the GOP

Just nine months after giving George W. Bush the crucial swing votes he needed to best John Kerry, political independents are bolting out of the Republican Big Tent. Angered by GOP meddling in the Terri Schiavo right-to-die case, reeling from record gasoline prices, and depressed by the escalating cycle of violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, unaligned voters are suddenly lining up with Democrats to give Bush the lowest ratings of his Presidency. The disenchantment extends beyond the White House to the GOP Congress: Only 31% of independents say Congress is in touch with their concerns, according to a June 14-15 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Amid such dismal data, the only good news for Republicans is that the chronically disorganized Democrats have not convinced swing voters that they are any better -- at least not yet.

But that's cold comfort to the GOP. A June 24-26 Gallup Poll shows independents turning thumbs down to much of the President's second-term agenda, including his stay-the-course stance on Iraq, partial privatization of Social Security, and a pro-drilling energy policy. Equally worrisome: Just 15% of indies approve of Bush's handling of the economy, a June 19-22 American Research Group Poll found -- down from 44% last November.

To gauge the depth of independent anger, talk to Alan Rego Jr., an assistant supermarket manager in Cleveland. Rego, 23, twice voted for George W. Bush. The unaligned voter viewed Bush as a champion of small business and a stalwart in the war on terror. But he now sees a President bogged down in a Mideast quagmire and a Congress obsessed with a Religious Right agenda he does not share. "Congress is involved in too many social issues that it shouldn't be, like Terri Schiavo," he says. "It doesn't want to tackle the issues that it should be fixing, like tax reform, unemployment, and job creation."

For Republicans, an exodus of voters like Rego could have profound repercussions. Because 67% of independents think Bush will appoint a Supreme Court justice whose religious beliefs will inappropriately influence judicial rulings, according to Gallup, Dems may be emboldened to dig in for a long showdown (page 38).

Nearly 30% of the electorate describes itself as independent, though about half of those voters remain registered with a party. So while Republicans have signed up more than 4 million unregistered Christian conservatives in two years, a sizable decline in independent support in the 2006 midterm elections could leave the GOP a net loser outside the South. Particularly at risk are Republicans in states with independent streaks, such as California, Colorado, Minnesota, and New Hampshire.

The swing-voter stampede started after the extraordinary intervention by Bush and the GOP Congress in the Schiavo case. Now socially moderate independents -- who strongly favor expanded stem cell research and oppose overturning Roe v. Wade -- fear that the majority party is in thrall to the Religious Right. "These people lean more Republican because of fiscal issues, but they're much more liberal on social issues," says independent pollster Dick Bennett of American Research Group. "After Schiavo, they said, 'Wait a minute. We didn't buy in for that."'

Add to the toxic political mix sticker-shock at the gas pump and growing worries about post-Saddam Iraq. In an about-face, formerly hawkish indies now side with Democratic war critics. According to Gallup, just 31% of swing voters say Bush has a clear plan for Iraq, and 60% call the U.S. invasion a mistake. Alan Rego recently attended services for a friend's brother killed in Iraq. "The kid was my age," he recalls. "I voted for Bush because he seemed to have a plan to deal with terrorism, but Iraq is becoming another Vietnam."

Third-party opening?
The indie revolt worries some GOP veterans, but the White House seems unconcerned. Some insiders say Bush über-strategist Karl Rove believes Republicans can afford to lose socially liberal swing voters if they succeed in wooing indie and Democratic "values voters" and increasing turnout on the Christian Right. "They obviously have a strategy to change the electorate, and they're willing to give up independents and moderates," says Democratic pollster Stanley B. Greenberg.

But can Democrats capitalize? Even Greenberg's polls show Dems struggling to convince voters that they can keep the nation safe, foster economic growth, and reform pay-to-play politics. He says circumstances are ripe for a strong third-party candidacy in 2008 -- if the right maverick emerges.

During the Bush years, the GOP has kept a majority of indies in its corner by portraying Dems as an unacceptable alternative. That tactic may work again -- if Democrats fail to attract the political center and the third-way option fizzles. But with so many swing voters ready to declare independence from Republican-ruled Washington, Bush and his allies on the Hill can't be so sure anymore.

By Richard S. Dunham, with Ann Therese Palmer in Chicago
 
LT, why do you insist on flapping your lips when 99.9% of us have you on ignore?
 
LovingTongue said:
Because I know you neo turds are fucking scared shitless of me.

PS: get a goddamned job.

"Ignore" is a pointless act if the dumbfucks still want to read what you say anyway :D

They cant stand being out of their own loop.
 
woody54 said:
"Ignore" is a pointless act if the dumbfucks still want to read what you say anyway :D

They cant stand being out of their own loop.
Yup, yup, yup. And Miles will never understand how stupid he looks when he keeps saying over and over again that someone is on ignore.
 
LovingTongue said:
Yup, yup, yup. And Miles will never understand how stupid he looks when he keeps saying over and over again that someone is on ignore.

I've never understood the Ignore feature. Well, I'll take that back. At one point, some couple of alts or bots, or something were posting and they'd post the same sentence like 50,000 times. I almost used it then. If I find someone annying, it makes me either actually ignore them, like, not read them, or read them more, to see where they're coming from. Typing the words, "I have you on iggy" always seemed to me the equivalent of that retarded and childish "looking the other way and humming."
 
America has a self-destructive glamorization of war culture. It is obvious to me because so many people including the media use military terms for describing non-military events, A non-violent disagreement about a Supreme Court nomination is "war". Criticism of politicians are referred to as attacks. The terms nuclear option, divide and conquer, partisan, and foot soldier in regard to politics.

If we do not change we are on the road to destruction just like all the other militaristic countries before us..
 
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tim66 said:
America has a self-destructive glamorization of war culture. It is obvious to me because so many people including the media use military terms for describing non-military events, A non-violent disagreement about a Supreme Court nomination is "war". Criticism of politicians are referred to as attacks. The terms nuclear option, divide and conquer, partisan, and foot soldier in regard to politics.

If we do not change we are on the road to destruction just like all the other militaristic countries before us..

Your post is funny on so many levels. Some funny humorous and some funny peculiar.

In general you're right and wrong both. A great many military terms leak into the public lexicon in all nations. It's the nature of the military to communicate in the most efficient means possible. Using that efficiency in public discourse is only natural. Convey the greatest content in the fewest words.

Turning and speaking to the crowd

Regarding 'war'. You're right there. The Democrats first diminished the word by starting the "War on Poverty." The Republicans seeing how that flew, and not to be outdone, declared the "War on Drugs." Soooo, over the years 'war' became an excersize in taxation, pay-offs, buy-offs, handouts, filling out forms, and all enforced by federal cops.

So a real war comes along and the people are confused. Where's the form for this? Who do we pay/bribe/buy-out? I mean there are real bullets flying, bombs dropping, it's all too much. Far to outside our aculturated concept of 'war' to accept.

Words have meanings and when you apply a term like 'war' to far lesser problems you diminish the word, it's meaning, and the expectations/perceptions of the audience you're speaking to.

The bottom line is there is a culture out there whose sole motivation is to destroy yours. They will use any method they can concieve to do so. Totalitarian in the extreme. You are going to die. That is beyond debate, just a mere fact. If you do not believe that your culture is worthy of survival I would suggest you kill yourself now, this instant. Remove yourself from the gene pool before you pollute it. Remove yourself from the brain trust before you pollute that as well. Get your ass out of the way of those of us that actually believe our culture is not only worthy of survival, but a better culture.

War is not fought in courtrooms by lawyers. Nor is that where the outcome is decided. It is a personal involvement and is fueled by blood. If you don't think your life and culture and that of your children, and your childrens children are worth the effort, just get out of the way.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
Your post is funny on so many levels. Some funny humorous and some funny peculiar.

In general you're right and wrong both. A great many military terms leak into the public lexicon in all nations. It's the nature of the military to communicate in the most efficient means possible. Using that efficiency in public discourse is only natural. Convey the greatest content in the fewest words.

Turning and speaking to the crowd

Regarding 'war'. You're right there. The Democrats first diminished the word by starting the "War on Poverty." The Republicans seeing how that flew, and not to be outdone, declared the "War on Drugs." Soooo, over the years 'war' became an excersize in taxation, pay-offs, buy-offs, handouts, filling out forms, and all enforced by federal cops.

So a real war comes along and the people are confused. Where's the form for this? Who do we pay/bribe/buy-out? I mean there are real bullets flying, bombs dropping, it's all too much. Far to outside our aculturated concept of 'war' to accept.

Words have meanings and when you apply a term like 'war' to far lesser problems you diminish the word, it's meaning, and the expectations/perceptions of the audience you're speaking to.

The bottom line is there is a culture out there whose sole motivation is to destroy yours. They will use any method they can concieve to do so. Totalitarian in the extreme. You are going to die. That is beyond debate, just a mere fact. If you do not believe that your culture is worthy of survival I would suggest you kill yourself now, this instant. Remove yourself from the gene pool before you pollute it. Remove yourself from the brain trust before you pollute that as well. Get your ass out of the way of those of us that actually believe our culture is not only worthy of survival, but a better culture.

War is not fought in courtrooms by lawyers. Nor is that where the outcome is decided. It is a personal involvement and is fueled by blood. If you don't think your life and culture and that of your children, and your childrens children are worth the effort, just get out of the way.

Ishmael
Or he could move to Canada.

Last I heard, Al Qaeda hasn't attacked them yet. One has to wonder why...
 
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