looks like the lillegal immigrant jessyca transplant girl . . .

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

goes to show you don't have to be a citizen to milk the system.

illegal immigrant

doc's do all they can to help, payed for by joe and jane taxpayer

surgery goes bad

girl dies

illegal immagrant family sues

illegal family likely wins millions

once more joe and jane taxpayer for over more money to non citizen

 

[CoolidgEffect]

I thought this was in the US not Canada. They're suing the government, not the hospital/doctors?

Your confusing me!

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

It's very sad that she died. I understand that the organs were incorrectly marked (blood type) at the point of origin.

There certainly was a problem with how it was handled. Has a lawsuit been filed? It will be interesting to follow the case.

 

[peachykeen]

I have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

I thought this was in the US not Canada. They're suing the government, not the hospital/doctors?

Your confusing me!

The insurance company that insures the organization that labeled the organs will probably have to pay. Since the insurance company won't "absorb" the costs, it will just pass the increased costs along to it's clients which will probably be medical insurance......so everyone who goes to see Doctors or other medical professional organizations will pay a few dollars more for each visit....so, yes...we'll all pay. There is no "free ride" sometimes it's just a matter of hiding who really ends up paying the bill.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

I thought this was in the US not Canada. They're suing the government, not the hospital/doctors?

Your confusing me!

regardless of the government being sued, the hospitals being sued or the doctors being sued where do those three organizations get thier money from? joe and jane tax payer

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

meanwhile 32 americans legal citizens died that needed organ transplants while she got two at the cost of joe and jane taxpayer

 

[Lancecastor]

regardless of the government being sued, the hospitals being sued or the doctors being sued where do those three organizations get thier money from? joe and jane tax payer

Well then you'll be pleased to know that Jordan is refusing to allow the Red Cross to set up refugee camps there to handle Iraqi refugees fleeing the impending US Attack...and they plan on closing the borders.

Say.....it's a cold nite...wanna go kick some dogs?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

oh what about her family refusing to let her useable organs to be donated after she got 2 lungs and 2-4 lungs given to her

no selfishness there now is there, take, take, take

 

[Needssome]

Am I completely missing something? She was human right? A girl who didn't have any say in coming into the country? So if she had been a legal citizen her life would have been worth more. Yes the taxpayers will have to pay more, but it would have been the same cost irregardless of whether they were legal or not. I don't know much about the case beyond she got the wrong blood-type heart, but I have a serious problem putting one person's life ahead of another's. There's obviously a reason why she was chosen to get a heart over another person and it's hard to judge from outside when we weren't in on the decision making process.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

meanwhile 32 americans legal citizens died that needed organ transplants while she got two at the cost of joe and jane taxpayer

I wonder how that happened? I thought that organs were very closely monitored. Do you have any more information?

I read about a year ago that each state monitors the organs available for transplant and that some sort of cooperative agreements between states were in place but that some people were proposing that a national plan be established. But that still doesn't explain how some Americans might have died while waiting for transplants of organs like those used to try to help young (17 years) Jessica.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Am I completely missing something? She was human right? A girl who didn't have any say in coming into the country? So if she had been a legal citizen her life would have been worth more. Yes the taxpayers will have to pay more, but it would have been the same cost irregardless of whether they were legal or not.

When there's a situation where there are more people in need of something than supply exists...you have to make choices. You can't cut up a heart and give each of four people 1/4 of it. The question is not whether a choice has to be made, the question is how is the choice going to be made.

 

[P. B. Walker]

oh what about her family refusing to let her useable organs to be donated after she got 2 lungs and 2-4 lungs given to her

no selfishness there now is there, take, take, take

That was the part I really felt was sad. I understand her family is going thru a very great loss, but without people donating organs, their daughter would have never had a chance of living. Why not at least returns some small favor to the system? Unless of course there are religious reasons for not donating organs, which I haven't heard about in this case.

PBW

 

[CoolidgEffect]

meanwhile 32 americans legal citizens died that needed organ transplants while she got two at the cost of joe and jane taxpayer

So 2 hearts and 4 lungs could have saved 32 Americans?

It actually wouldn't be Joe and Jane tax payer though really. It would be those policy holders of the insurance company. Well you can be glad your child will have adequate health care and they worst thing you'll lose is a few bucks. I can't believe you are getting so much sleep at night that you want to lose more over this. Aren't you helping with diapers?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

I wonder how that happened? I thought that organs were very closely monitored. Do you have any more information?

I read about a year ago that each state monitors the organs available for transplant and that some sort of cooperative agreements between states were in place but that some people were proposing that a national plan be established. But that still doesn't explain how some Americans might have died while waiting for transplants of organs like those used to try to help young (17 years) Jessica.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20030221.shtml

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=36ab2ff7-3817-48eb-9411-b01620cbfefd

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=51ab911a-6adb-461c-a68a-1ffd0ee0be41

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=0cfc8d5d-71a5-47d8-bae7-9dcaab99a280

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=cc44f56b-4cbf-4cde-acf8-81170f484f55

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=1a041cb0-2f5a-4e13-bb9d-b2218cfa65b5

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=089dddc1-4918-4918-a9b6-063db12bb956

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=f6144c90-5499-45a7-8efe-ecedb935a6f9

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=69d49b69-8b65-4615-8f49-9a5fc4999151

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=5e621130-fd5c-4df5-838f-1b9554518930

 

[IronPhantom]

Shut the Fuck up Todd.

A seventeen year old girl died. A seventeen year old girl who went through hell, a hell you will hopefully never experience, and Died. And all you care about is who will have to pay for it. Some Christian you are. What would Jesus think of your stance? Would you talk thusly in front of him? Since when does a human life get defined in dollars and cents? Oh yeah! In your right wing "I got mine, fuck the rest of you!" world.

As I understand it, a local business man put up most of the money and helped raise the rest. And maybe after being pumped full of drugs for a month and all the stress on her body, the other organs may not have been usable.

Why can't anybody be thankful it isn't them or someone they love that this happens to?

 

[sweet soft kiss]

Todd I don't know much about you, but I find your take on this disturbing. Jessyca was a 14 year old girl who if she had gotten the right organs stood a fair chance of leading a happy and productive life. It really matters little to me if she was legal or illegal. What happened to her was a tragic error. I don't know if it has been determined just where the mistake was made. I think there were most likely several mistakes made that led to this. These kind of errors should not happen when human lives are at stake, but when there are people involved there is always that possibility. This is more an abberation than the norm in transplant medicine.

Does her family have the right to sue? I thinik they do, if only it highlights errors in the system that led to this. If a lawsuit institutes changes that lessen the chance of this sort of occurance happening again, then that is a good thing for society.

I work with transplant patients. People who are desperately waiting for a liver or heart or lungs or kidneys to keep alive a loved one. This is not a joking matter. This is deadly serious to hundreds of thousands in the U.S. alone. There are not enough organs available to save everyone. What I fear will happen is that some people who were willing to donate organs will be less willing to do so, for fear that the organs will be wasted. Not every transplant is succesful, organs that match in blood type do get rejected for various reasons. But I know of very few who are waiting for a life saving organ who feels that the risk is not worth it. I urge anyone who reads this to think about designating themselves a donor. You could make many people happy. It's a gift of life and an expression of love and compassion to your fellow man.

Here's a link to learn some of the theories of what happen to Jessyca.

 

[Ryaine]

Am I completely missing something? She was human right? A girl who didn't have any say in coming into the country? So if she had been a legal citizen her life would have been worth more. Yes the taxpayers will have to pay more, but it would have been the same cost irregardless of whether they were legal or not. I don't know much about the case beyond she got the wrong blood-type heart, but I have a serious problem putting one person's life ahead of another's. There's obviously a reason why she was chosen to get a heart over another person and it's hard to judge from outside when we weren't in on the decision making process.

Couldn't have said it better ... with out 4 letter words

 

[Spinaroonie]

What I like about this is that often the people who say that she should've been thrown out of the country, denied health care or even shot for being an illegal immigrant will turn around and say we should attack Iraq b/c of what happened to the Kurds.

Guess what they were?

 

[teddybear4play]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20030221.shtml

I normally like Michelle Malkin, but I think she's being tactless on this one.

In fairness to her, it was written before the girl died.

TB4p

 

[SilverVeil]

Here legally or not, everyone has the right for a chance to survive. What happened to the girl is sad, I don't know the proceedure for choosing one patient over another in the case of organ transplants, but if it was followed to the letter then what was done is over with and now life goes on.

What I find ironic is that so many people from other countries sneer at America calling us devils, and they seem to be happy when our country has troubles, yet when they want a better life for themselves and their families ... where do they come ?

America.

This does not seem right to me.

Yet, I also do not think the people of any nation who do try and make a better life for themselves, and who come to America and follow the customs, and beliefs, and stand up and are willing to defend this country, should be persecueted for what the leader of their country believes.

I think that it is sad when we begin to see each other as just a nation full of faceless masses, and we no longer see the people living there as individual human beings.

I for one do not agree with everything our government does. I can't think of anyone I know who does, but that is the great thing about living here. I can say this, and not fear for my life or the lives of my family and friends.

 

[sensational204]

Todd your take on this is ridiculous. Is an American life worth more than another life?? They already have limits on how many organs can go to foreign patients (I believe it's at most 5%). So stop bitching about it. She was a legal candidate for the first set of organs, and had she gotten the right ones she probably would have survived. The hospital SHOULD be sued. It was malpractice. And hopefully some good will come out of all of this by them changing the system - hopefully saving someone else's life. Is the family being greedy and money hungry? They probably are. But don't blame insinuate that the little girl shouldn't have gotten the transplant because she wasn't an American citizen, that's just ignorant. Malpractice insurance companies calculate the risks of everything, and that's what they're there for. The average citizen is not going to have to pay anymore money because of this. The only people who are really hurt by this are the girl, her family, and the poor doctor who made the mistake. I don't see how your greed is any different from that of the parents. So stop throwing stones.

And remember that nearly EVERYONE in this country is ultimately an immigrant.

 

[bluespoke]

What happened to Todd's Christian values?

Gone out the window?

 

[LadyG]

I guess Todd is only a Christian when it suits him.

The hospital and everyone involved should be sued for every dollar they can get from everyone involved.

Bad enough they fucked up the first transplant, but no one, not one doctor, even thought that all that time on Life Support could have given her brain damage until it was too late?

In today's world there is NO excuse for a mix up like that. They killed her. Bottom line.

As for her family not donating the organs back, while it may seem wrong, it's understandable, in their grief. Their daughter was murdered and now the same people who killed her, want their help?

I bet your God is shaking his head in sorrow at your opinions Todd.