Long covid

[rockcasbah]

Remain calm; just a math error.

 

[dolf]

I find it impressive that they're coordinating almost every country on the planet, convincing hundreds of governments to screw up their economies, trashing the trust funds of the rich and famous, just to make a fraction of that loss back on vaccines and ppe, and pwn us all with masks, without anyone on the inside blowing the whistle. Because usually government agencies tend to blunder.

 

[oggbashan]

bellisarius, you should look at the figures for 'excess deaths' - those deaths that are more than in comparable years.

That shows the impact of Covid, not just on people dying directly from Covid, but people dying because medical facilities are overwhelmed with Covid patients and so aren't treating people who would normally require medical facilities.

Yes, those with existing medical conditions are dying earlier because of Covid, but without Covid, they might have lived for several more years or even a decade before dying. They are NOT disposable and many are much younger than would be expected.

 

[dolf]

bellisarius, you should look at the figures for 'excess deaths' - those deaths that are more than in comparable years.

That shows the impact of Covid, not just on people dying directly from Covid, but people dying because medical facilities are overwhelmed with Covid patients and so aren't treating people who would normally require medical facilities.

Yes, those with existing medical conditions are dying earlier because of Covid, but without Covid, they might have lived for several more years or even a decade before dying. They are NOT disposable and many are much younger than would be expected.

For an obvious example? Transplant recipients. They could be toddlers, with 80+ years of productive, healthy life ahead of them.

 

[jaF0]

Secondly, and more distressingly, there has been an increase in the death rate among the 18-45 year old demographic due to opioid over dose and suicide.

Recent story says Frisco has seen something like three times more overdose deaths than Bug deaths in recent months.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Overdose-deaths-far-outpace-COVID-19-deaths-in-15816356.php

 

[jaF0]

More births lead to more people which leads to more deaths. The death rate will continue to climb every year worldwide.

 

[bellisarius]

bellisarius, you should look at the figures for 'excess deaths' - those deaths that are more than in comparable years.

That shows the impact of Covid, not just on people dying directly from Covid, but people dying because medical facilities are overwhelmed with Covid patients and so aren't treating people who would normally require medical facilities.

Yes, those with existing medical conditions are dying earlier because of Covid, but without Covid, they might have lived for several more years or even a decade before dying. They are NOT disposable and many are much younger than would be expected.

The "excess" deaths is precisely the numbers I'm skeptical of and why I'm sticking with "deaths by any cause." To my mind "excess" lends itself to 'subjective' interpretation whereas "by any cause" is an absolute number.

Reread my post. I'm NOT asserting that they're entirely wrong. Nor am I asserting that the situation isn't serious. I'm merely stating that we aren't going to know the true impact for a couple of years.

Should 2020 and 2021 show huge spikes in the death by any cause rates with a return to normal in 2022/23 then the CDC will have restored some credibility in my eyes, if not.................................?

 

[dolf]

More births lead to more people which leads to more deaths. The death rate will continue to climb every year worldwide.

If you have a few minutes free, you should work out the increase/decrease numbers for each country as a "per million people" number. That'll school us!

 

[bellisarius]

More births lead to more people which leads to more deaths. The death rate will continue to climb every year worldwide.

The birth rate has been falling for several years now in the US. The fertility rate is now 1.84, down from 2.15 a decade ago. (2.1 is zero population growth.)

 

[oggbashan]

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Should 2020 and 2021 show huge spikes in the death by any cause rates with a return to normal in 2022/23 then the CDC will have restored some credibility in my eyes, if not.................................?

I wouldn't expect 'normal' until 2023 at the earliest. It is going to take almost the whole of 2021 to get everyone vaccinated and then? How long does immunity last?

 

[bellisarius]

I wouldn't expect 'normal' until 2023 at the earliest. It is going to take almost the whole of 2021 to get everyone vaccinated and then? How long does immunity last?

Damn good question Ogg. My guess is that it's going to be an annual ritual if for no other reason than to adapt to the expected mutations.

 

[jaF0]

My guess is that it's going to be an annual ritual if for no other reason than to ...

... fund BigPharma.

 

[bellisarius]

... fund BigPharma.

Don't get the shot then.

In saying that though you are tying the government to big pharma. If that is the case then what is the incentive for government to do anything about drug costs? An interesting alliance.

Alliance; An agreement reached between two parties that have their hands thrusted so deeply in each others pockets they cannot safely plunder a third. (From the Cynics dictionary.)

 

[stickygirl]

oh wow
*unsubscribe*
only so much dumbfuckery I can take

 

[Saint_Ann]

More people have died from Covid this year and the time from infection to death is far shorter. The UK death rate is for those who have died with 28 days of being diagnosed i.e. four weeks. If you catch AIDS you will usually live far longer than that which gives more time for treatment.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Deaths:
1,692,980

Do you really think covid will be killing 1.6 million people per year 40 years after inception?

 

[dolf]

oh wow
*unsubscribe*
only so much dumbfuckery I can take

And who can blame you.
As was already pointed out, there's plenty of threads on covid already. So obviously the one specifically asking about anyone's personal experience of long covid would be the right place for them to repeat their scratched record ramblings.

Pretty much every thread that's not porn dies the same death.

 

[rockcasbah]

“Long Covid Thread Dead”?

So fast? Seems wrong.

 

[oggbashan]

Do you really think covid will be killing 1.6 million people per year 40 years after inception?

Probably not but it still has a long way to go. AIDS deaths are decreasing and if you look forward 40 years there will probably be several much more deadly pandemics. Covid is just a wake-up call.