Lock Him Up!

[HisArpy]

You're full of fuckin crap mr goal post mover. You really think you're clever, but you're not. That's why you get treated like the dumbest kid on the short bus.




Since Obamacare Became Law, 20 Million More Americans Have Gained Health Insurance

http://fortune.com/2018/11/15/obamacare-americans-with-health-insurance-uninsured/


Better than nothing? No fuckin way. The VA isn't perfect, so lets do away with it, and your healthcare with it. It's ok, it's a socialistic scam, right?


What was your rank in the Army?

Never mind.


*shakes head at the futility*

 

[BotanyBoy]

Still no answer.
Speaks volumes.

Asked and answered champ....you need to learn how to read.

I'm just tryin' to ascertain if BotanyBoy is man enough to tell us how much skin he has in the game.

I'm guessing it's a very low number.

My payment came in the form of actual flesh, “skin in the game” isn’t just a figure of speech for me in this case but quite literal.

HC from the VA, GI bills, home loan guarantees nor any of the other compensation, benefits, perks and privileges that vets and or retirees get as a result of their service are "free".....everyone who gets those things paid via service.

Are you all caught up yet or do you need a picture???

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're full of fuckin crap mr goal post mover. You really think you're clever, but you're not. That's why you get treated like the dumbest kid on the short bus.

Full on denial of reality once the magnitude of his own idiocy sets in.

Dear high speed, please let this sink into your janitors brain.

I've been a liberal and a Democrat this whole time, I've never even registered as or ever sent a vote to a Republican anything ever. Live in blue states, pro drug legalization, pro choice, pro free speech, all the marriages anyone wants, anti-authoritarian and zero problem with social liberalism via democratic means, flaming liberal.

But an actual liberal.... not the (D) hack or confused socialist "liberal".

Since Obamacare Became Law, 20 Million More Americans Have Gained Health Insurance

http://fortune.com/2018/11/15/obamacare-americans-with-health-insurance-uninsured/

Yea....and the cost??

That's right, we the people got fucked.....bent over and done dry by Obama and the (D)'s and it was the beginning of their end.

Straight fuckin' ROBBERY.

Better than nothing? No fuckin way. The VA isn't perfect, so lets do away with it, and your healthcare with it. It's ok, it's a socialistic scam, right?

Would have been better off keeping our money.

I didn't say it has to be perfect, I said it has to be liberal....because M'uricuh not Soviet States of America.


Did the VA take over the entire medical care industry?

Does the VA's existence fuck with, manipulate or seize control over the private HC market or who has access to it in any way shape or form??

No?

Then no, it's not.

What was your rank in the Army?

E6, just a squad leader.

Technically I did almost 3 months as acting platoon sawnt, but it was in garrison and I didn't even get to do any field work, so that shit don't really count....but it kinda counts....but not really....mostly.

 

[cowslinger64]

E6, just a squad leader.

Technically I did almost 3 months as acting platoon sawnt, but it was in garrison and I didn't even get to do any field work, so that shit don't really count....but it kinda counts....but not really....mostly.

HEY!! You answered!!!!



Ok.. a follow up question.


Why is it that someone with NUMEROUS (your exact words) degrees would enter the Army as a non officer? With numerous degrees, why did you not do this?

OFFICER CANDIDATE SCHOOL

Officer Candidate School (OCS) is the U.S. Army’s main training academy for prospective Army Officers. The school is generally open to qualified enlisted Noncommissioned Officers, along with civilians who hold at least a four-year college degree. Candidates who successfully complete the rigorous, 12-week school receive formal commissions as U.S. Army Officers and assume the ability to command Soldiers.


In order to qualify for Officer Candidate School as a civilian, you must be:

A U.S. citizen
A college graduate with at least a four-year degree
Between 19 and 32 years old (you must enter active duty or ship to training by your 33rd birthday and accept commission prior to age 34)
Eligible for a secret security clearance


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Why didn't you take all your degrees and use them to have a MUCH better standing in the military rather than taking what is obviously a much more difficult road? Or did you get those numerous degrees AFTER you were wounded and disabled enough in your service to be declared disabled?


Just curious.

 

[cowslinger64]

Never mind.


*shakes head at the futility*

Don't shake it too hard, it'll fall off as it's obviously not attached to anything.


Dumbass.

 

[Salacious_B_Crumb]

Nobody on the internet was ever a clerk at Fort Stewart or some shit. Everyone was a grunt who saw combat and kicked ass.
I don't know the real numbers but if I had to guess I'd say 80% never fire or even carry a loaded weapon outside of qualifying.

 

[Kantarii]

Nobody on the internet was ever a clerk at Fort Stewart or some shit. Everyone was a grunt who saw combat and kicked ass.
I don't know the real numbers but if I had to guess I'd say 80% never fire or even carry a weapon outside of qualifying.

<—-13 Bravo 2nd Infantry Division Camp Stanley, South Korea. Sadly, I wasn’t a bad ass enough to carry a 155mm. howitzer around with me, just an AR-15.
Kant

All I got now are my dog tags, DD214, and a Sig Saur P220

 

[RobDownSouth]

Asked and answered champ....you need to learn how to read.



HC from the VA, GI bills, home loan guarantees nor any of the other compensation, benefits, perks and privileges that vets and or retirees get as a result of their service are "free".....everyone who gets those things paid via service.

Are you all caught up yet or do you need a picture???

Oh look, BotanyBoy is still tap dancing around the question.

Won't tell us how much money he is personally out of pocket per year for health care.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ok.. a follow up question.


Why is it that someone with NUMEROUS (your exact words) degrees would enter the Army as a non officer? With numerous degrees, why did you not do this?

Or did you get those numerous degrees AFTER you were wounded and disabled enough in your service to be declared disabled?


Just curious.

You got it.

I didn't go to school until I had been medically retired. Started in nursing and went to plant science when I realized nursing wasn't for me but was still really into chemistry and biology.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh look, BotanyBoy is still tap dancing around the question.

Won't tell us how much money he is personally out of pocket per year for health care.

I already answered it bubba... the expense was paid for in service. That's a specific type of payment to the explicit exclusion of cash exchange.

That's not 'tap dancing around' that's as straight forward and factual as it gets.

I guess we're going to need to draw a picture... ....Rob is having reading problems again.


Anyone a graphic artist?? I can't do that shit.

 

[cowslinger64]

You got it.

I didn't go to school until I had been medically retired. Started in nursing and went to plant science when I realized nursing wasn't for me but was still really into chemistry and biology.

So, you were mentally disabled enough to qualify for what did you say, something like 75 percent disabled, yet able to go on to school and get numerous degrees? Realize how ridiculous that sounds? No one from the gubmint ever wonder how you being 75 percent brain dead yet gets numerous degrees is possible? No investigation into you faking it? How did you actually qualify for disability?

 

[RobDownSouth]

I already answered it bubba... the expense was paid for in service. That's a specific type of payment to the explicit exclusion of cash exchange.

That's not 'tap dancing around' that's as straight forward and factual as it gets.

I guess we're going to need to draw a picture... ....Rob is having reading problems again.


Anyone a graphic artist?? I can't do that shit.

So just to reiterate....I want to make absolutely sure we're on the same page: here in 2019, you pay zero money out of pocket personally for your own medical care.

 

[HisArpy]

So just to reiterate....I want to make absolutely sure we're on the same page: here in 2019, you pay zero money out of pocket personally for your own medical care.

What's your point with this shit? That vets are some sort of "entitled elite" that need to be taxed somehow in some special way?

 

[cowslinger64]

What's your point with this shit? That vets are some sort of "entitled elite" that need to be taxed somehow in some special way?

I'd say it's hypocritical aholes like people that have healthcare moan and whine incessantly about anyone else having even a hint of the same, need to be called out on it.


It's cute you'd stick up for him tho..

 

[HisArpy]

I'd say it's hypocritical aholes like people that have healthcare moan and whine incessantly about anyone else having even a hint of the same, need to be called out on it.


It's cute you'd stick up for him tho..

There's an equality-based solution. All those people who supposedly are "without healthcare" can sign up any time they want.

It's called putting your ass on the line instead of shooting off your mouth whining about how disadvantaged you are.

I also find it odd that you'd diss him for being a Vet as well as someone who needs medical care for injuries sustained while a member of the US military.

 

[cowslinger64]

There's an equality-based solution. All those people who supposedly are "without healthcare" can sign up any time they want.

It's called putting your ass on the line instead of shooting off your mouth whining about how disadvantaged you are.

I also find it odd that you'd diss him for being a Vet as well as someone who needs medical care for injuries sustained while a member of the US military.

They can NOW. Up til then, not so much.. and the gop plan of waiting til you're about to die and head to the emergency room for just enough care to stabilize you wasn't any kind of alternative.

Pointing out that the ACA isn't perfect is something most everyone does, I'd imagine.. I see that. But the fact is, more people have ACCESS to healthcare now than they did before and IMO, that is a good thing. Doing away with pre-existing conditions and allowing children to be able to stay on parents insurance til they're 26 are both really good things.

Trying to stand in the middle pointing fingers at both sides is fuckin ridiculous which he does so often..


Personally, I think much of his story is crap... and now he qualifies to be disabled enough to get VA care as well as a gubmint check but can still study for years and get numerous degrees? Nursing and botany degrees? He collects monthly checks from US yet gets numerous degrees?

Not to mention the incessant whining about ACA.


That is why I fuck with him. He is the only vet I've ever come in contact with and heard their story I have ever not appreciated their service.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

They can NOW. Up til then, not so much.. and the gop plan of waiting til you're about to die and head to the emergency room for just enough care to stabilize you wasn't any kind of alternative.

Pointing out that the ACA isn't perfect is something most everyone does, I'd imagine.. I see that. But the fact is, more people have ACCESS to healthcare now than they did before and IMO, that is a good thing. Doing away with pre-existing conditions and allowing children to be able to stay on parents insurance til they're 26 are both really good things.

Trying to stand in the middle pointing fingers at both sides is fuckin ridiculous which he does so often..


Personally, I think much of his story is crap... and now he qualifies to be disabled enough to get VA care as well as a gubmint check but can still study for years and get numerous degrees? Nursing and botany degrees? He collects monthly checks from US yet gets numerous degrees?

Not to mention the incessant whining about ACA.


That is why I fuck with him. He is the only vet I've ever come in contact with and heard their story I have ever not appreciated their service.

What the ACA does is put a tremendous strain on an already weak institution by disrupting it's already precarious balance of unreliable receivables. Better that no one have acceptable healthcare than a few with limited access. Amirite?

 

[HisArpy]

They can NOW. Up til then, not so much.. and the gop plan of waiting til you're about to die and head to the emergency room for just enough care to stabilize you wasn't any kind of alternative.

What has that to do with enlisting in the military? Anyone can sign up and get those "free" healthcare benefits.

Pointing out that the ACA isn't perfect is something most everyone does, I'd imagine.. I see that. But the fact is, more people have ACCESS to healthcare now than they did before and IMO, that is a good thing. Doing away with pre-existing conditions and allowing children to be able to stay on parents insurance til they're 26 are both really good things.

ACCESS is not "healthcare" if you can't afford the deductible. There's a huge difference that those who spout this line NEVER seem to recognize or include in the narrative.

Trying to stand in the middle pointing fingers at both sides is fuckin ridiculous which he does so often..

BotanyBoy has his opinions. As do you. His seem a lot more reasonable than yours however, since he doesn't use his opinions to diss others for voluntary service to protect those who stay behind and whine about him "getting special privileges".

Personally, I think much of his story is crap... and now he qualifies to be disabled enough to get VA care as well as a gubmint check but can still study for years and get numerous degrees? Nursing and botany degrees? He collects monthly checks from US yet gets numerous degrees?

It's called VA benefits. You don't like it, write your congresscritter.

BTW, those VA benefits for education aren't "free" you have to contribute too.

Not to mention the incessant whining about ACA.

Opining about people who complain about not getting something for free, while ignoring that others are actually paying for it, isn't whining.

Complaining about people who opine about such, is whining.

That is why I fuck with him. He is the only vet I've ever come in contact with and heard their story I have ever not appreciated their service.

The real root of your beliefs and intolerance; you refuse to honor the fact he did his part in protecting the US. Instead you try to use his sacrifice, and his family's sacrifice, as a means to degrade his loyalty and service to the Nation just so you don't have to acknowledge anything he did as "meaningful".

It is, in essence, you kicking your guard dog and complaining about the cost of the food he eats.

It is not a good look for you. It is not a good look for anyone.

 

[Kantarii]

Anyone who has ever been in the military will tell you that you have to earn those “special privileges”, no free rides. Kant

 

[BotanyBoy]

So, you were mentally disabled enough to qualify for what did you say, something like 75 percent disabled,

No.

Realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Yea....most the shit you make up is pretty ridiculous sounding.

No investigation into you faking it?

Everyone gets that before they are medically retired.

Their doctors give you all the tests and document all the things and for months you're examined and treated before the decide to retire you or desk you or whatever.

How did you actually qualify for disability?

The vast majority of my rating came from muscle spasms and seizures. But I got a little bit for the left ear getting trashed and associated issues, little bit for the trashed joints and extra metal I'll be carrying around forever.

 

[TontoedRanger]

Have we ran out of handcuffs and jail cells yet?

 

[BotanyBoy]

So just to reiterate....I want to make absolutely sure we're on the same page: here in 2019, you pay zero money out of pocket personally for your own medical care.

Jesus Christ how many times do you need me to reiterate it??

No, the exchange is service based, not cash. Which means zero money out of pocket, still not free.

I'd say it's hypocritical aholes like people that have healthcare moan and whine incessantly about anyone else having even a hint of the same, need to be called out on it.


It's cute you'd stick up for him tho..

Except that's your fantasy....not reality.

You've just took my criticism of ACA for being the rip off joke that it is personally for whatever insane reason and so you try to conflate it with "whining incessantly about anyone else having even a hint of the same", but it's not even close.

I have never minded anyone else getting HC and fully support a public HC option as long as it's done in a liberal democratic manner, preferably in accordance with US tradition, always have.

Which is exactly why I didn't support the ACA, it was an overpriced scam that did a piss poor job in a totally un-American, highly authoritarian way.

I don't hate 20 million people and want to keep them from getting HC.

I want the (D)'s to quit playing fuckin' games just so they can keep dangling that HC carrot out there election cycle after election cycle.

Shit shouldn't be that hard and sure as fuck nowhere near as expensive.

 

[cowslinger64]

Jesus Christ how many times do you need me to reiterate it??

No, the exchange is service based, not cash. Which means zero money out of pocket, still not free.



Except that's your fantasy....not reality.

You've just took my criticism of ACA for being the rip off joke that it is personally for whatever insane reason and so you try to conflate it with "whining incessantly about anyone else having even a hint of the same", but it's not even close.

I have never minded anyone else getting HC and fully support a public HC option as long as it's done in a liberal democratic manner, preferably in accordance with US tradition, always have.

Which is exactly why I didn't support the ACA, it was an overpriced scam that did a piss poor job in a totally un-American, highly authoritarian way.

I don't hate 20 million people and want to keep them from getting HC.

I want the (D)'s to quit playing fuckin' games just so they can keep dangling that HC carrot out there election cycle after election cycle.

Shit shouldn't be that hard and sure as fuck nowhere near as expensive.

Listen dumbass... your posts are there to read. You're full of shit. And you're story is more linked to your megalomania.

That's my story.. and I'm sticking with it.

I have a great bullshit detector and you failed to convince with your cue card responses..

You made a great friend in that other line item idiot tho.


Okay, I've got a smoker full of ribs to tend to, and enough of your stupidity and bullshit for the moment.

 

[Misshotndeep]

Listen dumbass... your posts are there to read. You're full of shit. And you're the story is more linked to your megalomania.

That's my story.. and I'm sticking with it.

I have a great bullshit detector and you failed to convince with your cue card responses.

You made a great friend in that other line item idiot tho.


Okay, I've got a smoker full of ribs to tend to, and enough of your stupidity and bullshit for the moment.

Your still here? I thought you would be off in bed or loving your life. Huh!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Jesus Christ how many times do you need me to reiterate it??

No, the exchange is service based, not cash. Which means zero money out of pocket, still not free.

Splendid! After days and days of you ducking and weaving, shucking and jiving, we now have you on record!

BotanyBoy Does Not Contribute One Fucking Dime Out Of Pocket Towards His Own Health Care.

Thanks for finally admitting this publicly.