Liz '24?

[KeithD]

Cheney's not going to win reelection.
She is not popular at all with her Conservative constituency,
and like John McCain before her, no matter how she grovels for Democrat approval,
she's still the daughter of one of the most hated Republican politicians since Nixon and she's going down.

She's going to wind up in a much stronger political power position, no matter what she does, than that of the single congress representative from Wyoming.

If you think that losing her seat from Wyoming is going to silence her, you're in for quite a disappointment. She'll be on the political scene as a symbol of what the Republicans could be if they weren't so venal when Trump is either in prison, dead, or hiding out in Abu Dhabi.

 

[Wrong Element]

There's a lot of punditry out there — never underestimate the desperate need of pundits to wish "good Republicans" into existence in contradiction of all evidence — suggesting that she has some sort of political future, and simply put, I don't see how that happens.

The brand of neoconservatism her family is associated with was on the outs with even GOP voters (to say nothing of everyone else) even before Trump, because people got to see it in action with the worst Republican president of the party's first 150 years. But now, she's a non-fascist in an openly fascist party. There are states where there might still be a place for that, but Wyoming is absolutely not one of them.

 

[icanhelp1]

I am as pinko liberal progressive card carrying union member tree hugger as they come, BUT, I voted for her dad. SO.... F' off.

Chenny is not freaking INSANE like all the Trumptards who are going to flush America down the drain by their belief in election fraud.

Go on... bring up the Dem's complaining about elections... hanging chad?? Who the fuck ran in the door to "STOP the COUNTING" in Florida??? Do you recall ??

OR later when Boxer stood up to complain... "protest"... in THAT election people stood in lines for HOURS.. it was wrong then, it's still wrong for ANY voter to have to wait for hours!! God bless the mail in voting!! Oh, but you all thing THAT is fraud.

Absentee voting by request only, otherwise, get off your ass, do your civic duty and go to the polls and vote. I want to know who’s president by nightfall not a week later.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

She's going to wind up in a much stronger political power position, no matter what she does, than that of the single congress representative from Wyoming.

If you think that losing her seat from Wyoming is going to silence her, you're in for quite a disappointment. She'll be on the political scene as a symbol of what the Republicans could be if they weren't so venal when Trump is either in prison, dead, or hiding out in Abu Dhabi.

Translation: Her next job will be on The View.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's irrelevant to trying to water blame down by saying everyone is to blame. No they are not. Plenty of people raised what flags they were able to from the very beginning (at least back to George Wallace). Saying everyone is to blame is punishing a lot of people unjustly and not properly and fully fingering those actually to blame.

Its not irrelevant however. I didn't say that everybody is to blame, at least not equally. At what point do we start accepting that things don't happen in a vacuum? Also punishing "everybody" is a phrase with no actual definition here. We can agree for example (or not) that Colin Kaepernick did nothing wrong. He was punished by racists. ITs that cut and dry. But if you were on the internet back when that happened there were lots of people claiming they would boycott the NFL if they didn't get the son of a bitch off the field. One of them became president.

When do you start to blame people who enable evil even if by doing nothing when they should stand? While I might not like Republicans as a whole I'm certain there are good people over there. (Liz Chenney is not among them, she just happens to chosen the 'enemy of my enemy' route to approval and its important to keep that in sight) Are we not at a point where if you are a "Good" republican but you're not ripping into Trump that you get to be punished along with the rest?

 

[YDB95]

Absentee voting by request only, otherwise, get off your ass, do your civic duty and go to the polls and vote. I want to know who’s president by nightfall not a week later.

Then surely you were opposed to the push by Trump's team to prevent Pennsylvania (just for one particularly important example) from counting absentee votes before election day? Because if they hadn't won that skirmish, we'd have known at least three days earlier that Biden carried PA and was elected.

 

[icanhelp1]

Then surely you were opposed to the push by Trump's team to prevent Pennsylvania (just for one particularly important example) from counting absentee votes before election day? Because if they hadn't won that skirmish, we'd have known at least three days earlier that Biden carried PA and was elected.

Non sequitur argument. My point is absentee ballots by request. Penn Supreme Court made a ruling that only state legislators are authorized to allow. All votes should be made public the day voting closes. I don’t really care when they counted just can’t be made public, for obvious reasons.

 

[ll74]

Early voting and mail-in voting should be commonplace and security increased for both. Introduce some sort of 2FA system perhaps (everyone gets yubikeys) though that's probably overkill.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Liz Cheney, her family, and the Republican party are a moral shit stain on the U.S. and are directly responsible for where we are now. Acting like that war mongering apologist for illegal war, human torture, and all forms of war criminality is somehow better than your average Trumper is foolish. It's like parsing the difference between psycho thrill killers and murder for hire hit men.

Liz reminds of these people who train pit bulls to be vicious attack animals then act surprised when the the dog kills grandma or eats their toddler. It's short sighted, amoral fuckers like her who created Frankenstein's monster like Trump and his followers and now want to pretend they're shocked by their behavior when they are the ones supported and goaded these idiots on for years.

Fuck her, her father, and the entire war mongering Republican party.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Non sequitur argument. My point is absentee ballots by request.

Do you think the results would have been different if there had been no mail in allowed?

Penn Supreme Court made a ruling that only state legislators are authorized to allow.

And SCOTUS sort of backed that decision up.

All votes should be made public the day voting closes.

Like they were back in the 1800's? Times change....get with the program. From what I have seen and read, the mail in ballot systems checks against fraud worked exactly the way they should.

I don’t really care when they counted just can’t be made public, for obvious reasons.

As far as I am concerned, the ballots are not counted until the close of the polls. If it takes time to count, so be it. I'd rather the count release of votes be delayed,over having ballots counted, and people knowing the outcome, having time to float that information out into the public sphere.

 

[YDB95]

Non sequitur argument. My point is absentee ballots by request. Penn Supreme Court made a ruling that only state legislators are authorized to allow. All votes should be made public the day voting closes. I don’t really care when they counted just can’t be made public, for obvious reasons.

Then it's not a non-sequitur argument. What you are advocating here would have happened in 2020 if not for Trump's strategy of delaying the count of absentee ballots as long as possible to create the illusion that he was winning.

 

[Wrong Element]

All votes should be made public the day voting closes. I don’t really care when they counted just can’t be made public, for obvious reasons.

Well good, there's something we agree on.

A point not often made about the 2020 election is that the "blue shift" states go all the attention (the states Biden won where mail ballots weren't counted and released until after same-day voting). But there were "red shift" states too — the states that counted their mail-in votes as they came in, and then released them in a huge batch as same-day voting concluded. In those states, most notably Florida and Ohio, Biden looked to be doing well until the same-day vote came in and eliminated his early leads.

This could have been the pattern in a lot of states — Biden jumping out to leads with mail-in, that were then narrowed or reversed with Trump votes on Election Day — but certain people wanted what happened in Pennsylvania to happen, because they spent over four years (Trump claimed 2016 was "rigged" too, until he won) laying the groundwork for their sore-loserness.

 

[YDB95]

Yes, we were even warned before Election Day that there would be a "red mirage" in some states where the same-day votes were counted first. Sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

 

[JohnnySavage]

As the last Conservative left in the United States, I'm a lonely voice in the wilderness. But, she's better than Trump - who will absolutely run again.

The Republicans have a lot of reasonable people that would be a good President, but a reasonable person could never get the nomination in today's Trumplican party. They have to pander to the wacko base to get nominated - which drives the independents away.

 

[rockcasbah]

Time for a real 3rd party in the USA.

The 2 you have are running a rigged game.

 

[icanhelp1]

As has been said, Cheney’s voting record speaks for itself placing her squarely in the conservative camp. She just didn’t drink the trump kool-aid and has the courage to publicly call out the orange demagogue and wannabe strong man to stand up for the constitution and institutions. Too bad more of y’all don’t have the balls she has.

She voted in line with Trump’s agenda and policies, Trump can’t be as bad as everybody thinks. Dems are evil, power hungry, unethical habitual liars. What goes around comes around.

 

[jomar]

She voted in line with Trump’s agenda and policies, Trump can’t be as bad as everybody thinks. Dems are evil, power hungry, unethical habitual liars. What goes around comes around.

I’m sure you’re right. We really shouldn’t hold trying to break institutions and democracy against the pathological liar. Would be petty of us.

 

[ll74]

She voted in line with Trump’s agenda and policies, Trump can’t be as bad as everybody thinks. Dems are evil, power hungry, unethical habitual liars. What goes around comes around.

The point is that Republicans don't care about policy...they care about allegiance to one man.

Wyoming is proof of that

 

[MLG1016]

Time for a real 3rd party in the USA.

The 2 you have are running a rigged game.

In total agreement with the need for a third party. "The rent is to damn high".

 

[rockcasbah]

A centrist party with enough seats in the house and senate to prevent either legacy party from full control…. You’d get shit done.

 

[icanhelp1]

The point is that Republicans don't care about policy...they care about allegiance to one man.

Wyoming is proof of that

As compared to the lost souls that follow in lockstep the incompetent fool Biden.

You’re comment that republicans don’t care about policy is not accurate. I, along with millions of conservatives and republicans alike, will lean more with a candidate with similar policies to Trump but not Trump himself.
I personally hope Trump doesn’t run. I also think there will be a lot of pushback against Trump in 2023.

 

[ll74]

As compared to the lost souls that follow in lockstep the incompetent fool Biden.

You’re comment that republicans don’t care about policy is not accurate. I, along with millions of conservatives and republicans alike, will lean more with a candidate with similar policies to Trump but not Trump himself.
I personally hope Trump doesn’t run. I also think there will be a lot of pushback against Trump in 2023.

Cheney supports Repuican policy more the Stefanik, yet was replaced by her in leadership. She's being primaried and losing to candidates who support Republican policy less than Cheney.

'Ive never seen a more clear indicator that the motivation of a voter IS NOT policy decisions by the candidate.

 

[YDB95]

A centrist party with enough seats in the house and senate to prevent either legacy party from full control…. You’d get shit done.

No, you wouldn't. The Republicans would still be dead set against getting anything done except cutting taxes for the rich and punishing women for having sex, and the Democrats...well, we'd be lucky if they wanted to do much of anything. I can't tell if you're implying that the Dems are as far to the left as the Republicans are to the right, but if so, that's absurd. To find an officeholder that far to the left, you'd probably have to go to South America.

 

[BluesDriver66]

As the last Conservative left in the United States, I'm a lonely voice in the wilderness. But, she's better than Trump - who will absolutely run again.

The Republicans have a lot of reasonable people that would be a good President, but a reasonable person could never get the nomination in today's Trumplican party. They have to pander to the wacko base to get nominated - which drives the independents away.

Every one of those fuckers would put anti-abortion judges on the court. Reasonable people don't make raped women and children birth the babies of their rapists.

 

[ishtat]

If you think that losing her seat from Wyoming is going to silence her, you're in for quite a disappointment. She'll be on the political scene as a symbol of what the Republicans could be if they weren't so venal when Trump is either in prison, dead, or hiding out in Abu Dhabi.

If Trump somehow got the GOP nomination, I would not be surprised if Cheney ran as a third candidate. That would be the GOP nightmare of my dreams.