Liz '24?

she's what the republican party needs, though they might not realise it

i've never been against a democracy as voted upon (fairly) by opposing sides that represent the views of the voters. i AM against fraudsters and criminal grifters like trump.
 
She might as well give it a try. She's a common sense answer for the Republicans to pull back on this suicide thing they have going for them.

I wouldn't vote for her myself, of course. She's three-quarters Trumper herself.
 
What a joke. She'll have to run as a Democrat. She isn't even going to be re-elected in Wyoming.

The sad part is you might be right despite her being a conservative REpublican through and through. She is actually something worth being afraid of because too many libs think she's a good person. She is not.
 
She might as well give it a try. She's a common sense answer for the Republicans to pull back on this suicide thing they have going for them.

I wouldn't vote for her myself, of course. She's three-quarters Trumper herself.
i don't agree with her politics, for sure, but i have some respect for her integrity... something in short supply amongst too many republican politicians today.
 
I wouldn't vote for her, but she's a strong conservative who has also demonstrated strong support and defense of democracy. If I was a conservative, she'd be on my list to support.
 
The sad part is you might be right despite her being a conservative REpublican through and through. She is actually something worth being afraid of because too many libs think she's a good person. She is not.
Please don't presume to instruct a conservative Republican on what a conservative Republican looks like. She is not a conservative Republican, she is a Swamp Rat just like her dad was. Like a Wyoming tumbleweed, she goes where the wind blows. Wyoming went 70% for Trump and today Cheney is underwater by 29 points against her Trump-supporting opponent.
 
Funny how all these Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Democrats (did I get you all)...favor Liz Cheney running. They hate her, of course. They hate her dad. They hate all republicans...but somehow Liz Cheney is the "right republican". Just like John McCain was an 'acceptable republican' until he ran against BO...then he was racist, but when they needed him again...he was 'acceptable'. Mitt Romney...same thing. The left is like a five year old...they want snacks and ice cream all the time, and when they don't get...."I hate you" or "It's the END OF DEMOCRACY"

Now do Tulsi Gabbard....oh wait....she's a democrat, but you hate her, too.

When Hate and Anger are your motivating emotions...only those who make you feel good in the moment are 'acceptable'.
I don't hate Tulsi Gabbard. I think she's a living specimen of what most of America sees as an extinct species, the traditional Democrat open to the discussion of opposing ideas. But she did support Bernie Sanders, so there is an anomaly there in her thinking that bears investigation and concern.
 
I don't hate Tulsi Gabbard. I think she's a living specimen of what most of America sees as an extinct species, the traditional Democrat open to the discussion of opposing ideas. But she did support Bernie Sanders, so there is an anomaly there in her thinking that bears investigation and concern.
Tulsi campaigned on “Medicare for All.” She might be among what I expect will be a large pool of candidates seeking the Democratic nomination in 2024. She’s very progressive on social programs but differentiates herself from the Warren-Sanders wing of the party on woke movement stuff. There are several Democratic governors who could throw their hats in the ring as well.
 
Funny how all these Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Democrats (did I get you all)...favor Liz Cheney running. They hate her, of course. They hate her dad. They hate all republicans...but somehow Liz Cheney is the "right republican". Just like John McCain was an 'acceptable republican' until he ran against BO...then he was racist, but when they needed him again...he was 'acceptable'. Mitt Romney...same thing. The left is like a five year old...they want snacks and ice cream all the time, and when they don't get...."I hate you" or "It's the END OF DEMOCRACY"

Now do Tulsi Gabbard....oh wait....she's a democrat, but you hate her, too.

When Hate and Anger are your motivating emotions...only those who make you feel good in the moment are 'acceptable'.
nah, you're projecting the behaviour of trump and his clingons onto others. there's a good li'l trumpie.
 
Funny how all these Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Democrats (did I get you all)...favor Liz Cheney running. They hate her, of course.
I favor everyone who wants to run, running. I just find it entertaining how conservatives vote out strong and smart conservatives in favor of dumb and weak conservatives because of one man. It's like watching a train wreck ....and they're actually cheering her demise. Either you want good policy supporters in office or you don't.
 
Please don't presume to instruct a conservative Republican on what a conservative Republican looks like. She is not a conservative Republican, she is a Swamp Rat just like her dad was. Like a Wyoming tumbleweed, she goes where the wind blows. Wyoming went 70% for Trump and today Cheney is underwater by 29 points against her Trump-supporting opponent.
Which actually means nothing. Your argument is that despite her being in near complete lock step with Trump on her voting record but she's losing to a Trump suppoer in a state that went for Trump means she's not conservative.

Religion is one helluva drug. Its not the content of her heart but whether or not she bows before Allah.

I do not favor Cheney running. I think she, like DeSantis and Trump are all similarly evil but Cheney is in the unique position of having fooled a lot of Dems into thinking that she's on our side.
 
former gop campaign consultant rick wilson, on trump's competitors celebrating Hutchinson's testimony :

“Apparently they feel like this was a phenomenal day for them, that it was a great breakdown of Trump’s malfeasance and they didn’t have to bring the attack – it was brought by one of his former loyalists. If you look at it in terms of the 2024 nomination process, it was a consequential day," Wilson said before adding, "I’ve picked up the same rumors that everybody else is hearing that Ron DeSantis’s people are practically picking out curtains in the White House after Tuesday."
Wilson elaborated, "DeSantis has been very carefully building out a presidential campaign for 2024 to primary Donald Trump, raising money, building relationships, going out there and quietly whispering: ‘He’s crazy, I’m not, I’m younger, I’m smarter, I’m thinner, I’m better looking. I can deliver more for you than the crazy old orange guy.'"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=7bb5882b9ba64af7ca69af91806b1342
 
Funny how all these Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Democrats (did I get you all)...favor Liz Cheney running. They hate her, of course. They hate her dad. They hate all republicans...but somehow Liz Cheney is the "right republican". Just like John McCain was an 'acceptable republican' until he ran against BO...then he was racist, but when they needed him again...he was 'acceptable'. Mitt Romney...same thing. The left is like a five year old...they want snacks and ice cream all the time, and when they don't get...."I hate you" or "It's the END OF DEMOCRACY"

Now do Tulsi Gabbard....oh wait....she's a democrat, but you hate her, too.

When Hate and Anger are your motivating emotions...only those who make you feel good in the moment are 'acceptable'.
Such a lot of projection there.
 
I just find it entertaining how conservatives vote out strong and smart conservatives in favor of dumb and weak conservatives because of one man. It's like watching a train wreck ....and they're actually cheering her demise. Either you want good policy supporters in office or you don't.
That is sort of a head scratcher, isn't it? How stupid and self-destructive Republicans can be.
 
“These guys have wanted to divorce themselves from Donald Trump for the last five years; they just have lacked courage, the ability, the guts to actually do it,” Bardella added. Behind the scenes “they are rooting for the Jan. 6 committee.”

Bardella claimed that “nobody was was more excited” about the powerful testimony early this week by Cassidy Hutchinson than “Republicans who want to dispense with Donald Trump.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=7bb5882b9ba64af7ca69af91806b1342
 
Please don't presume to instruct a conservative Republican on what a conservative Republican looks like. She is not a conservative Republican.
But I am going to presume! Cheney has a voting record which places her firmly on the conservative end of conservatism. Trump on the other hand is a radical populist whose entire political credo, is ego, lies, and bluster - and more ego. A career fraudster, scam artist, and business shyster who hi-jacked the GOP after a lifetime supporting the Democrats. And, like the current President he is much to old for the job.

America needs to get rid of Trump, Biden, and skip at least a generation to have any chance of reasonable leadership from either party.
 
Honestly I don't think skipping a gen will get us "reasonable" anybody who is really old enough to run grew up in this environment. Many of us, probably on both sides, blame ourselves for being too tolerant of the otherside. I know I do.

I knew EXACTLY why the TEA Party formed not during the 2006 midterms, not in the middle of 2008 but the moment it was obvious Obama not Hillary was getting the nod.

I knew exactly why Birtherism started and why the Right with their 16 going on 30 nominees went for Trump over Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, Bush hell Fiorina, PErry or Romney. It was because none of them spent 8 years looking for a "birth certificate"

I knew exactly why a man who entered the fray speaking about Mexican rapists, murderers and theives was their choice.

We should have torn right into them from the start but we did no such thing. We let "Not everything is racist" mutate into "Nothing is racist." That was on our fault.
 
We should have torn right into them from the start but we did no such thing. We let "Not everything is racist" mutate into "Nothing is racist." That was on our fault.
Once again, that simply isn't true. Lots of folks called it what it was from the moment Trump declared for the presidency. This isn't an "everybody is to blame" issue.
 
Once again, that simply isn't true. Lots of folks called it what it was from the moment Trump declared for the presidency. This isn't an "everybody is to blame" issue.
This goes back before Trump was even a nominee. Again why did the TEA Party show up when they did? Were they not Taxed Enough Already under Bush? Was there any real difference between Hillary and Obama on issues aside from window dressing, charisma and baggage?
 
This goes back before Trump was even a nominee. Again why did the TEA Party show up when they did? Were they not Taxed Enough Already under Bush? Was there any real difference between Hillary and Obama on issues aside from window dressing, charisma and baggage?
That's irrelevant to trying to water blame down by saying everyone is to blame. No they are not. Plenty of people raised what flags they were able to from the very beginning (at least back to George Wallace). Saying everyone is to blame is punishing a lot of people unjustly and not properly and fully fingering those actually to blame.
 
Funny how all these Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Democrats (did I get you all)...favor Liz Cheney running. They hate her, of course. They hate her dad. They hate all republicans...but somehow Liz Cheney is the "right republican". Just like John McCain was an 'acceptable republican' until he ran against BO...then he was racist, but when they needed him again...he was 'acceptable'. Mitt Romney...same thing. The left is like a five year old...they want snacks and ice cream all the time, and when they don't get...."I hate you" or "It's the END OF DEMOCRACY"

Now do Tulsi Gabbard....oh wait....she's a democrat, but you hate her, too.

When Hate and Anger are your motivating emotions...only those who make you feel good in the moment are 'acceptable'.
I am as pinko liberal progressive card carrying union member tree hugger as they come, BUT, I voted for her dad. SO.... F' off.

Chenny is not freaking INSANE like all the Trumptards who are going to flush America down the drain by their belief in election fraud.

Go on... bring up the Dem's complaining about elections... hanging chad?? Who the fuck ran in the door to "STOP the COUNTING" in Florida??? Do you recall ??

OR later when Boxer stood up to complain... "protest"... in THAT election people stood in lines for HOURS.. it was wrong then, it's still wrong for ANY voter to have to wait for hours!! God bless the mail in voting!! Oh, but you all thing THAT is fraud.
 
Please don't presume to instruct a conservative Republican on what a conservative Republican looks like.
Oh, dear Lord, the irony...

Funny how all these Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Democrats (did I get you all)...favor Liz Cheney running.
Not in here, we don't. Not a single one of us said we'd vote for her.

ETA: It doesn't sound to me like she plans to run. She just didn't say she wouldn't. I'm no great fan, but I think she's probably smart enough to see she has no chance in a GOP primary.
 
Please don't presume to instruct a conservative Republican on what a conservative Republican looks like. She is not a conservative Republican, she is a Swamp Rat just like her dad was. Like a Wyoming tumbleweed, she goes where the wind blows. Wyoming went 70% for Trump and today Cheney is underwater by 29 points against her Trump-supporting opponent.
As has been said, Cheney’s voting record speaks for itself placing her squarely in the conservative camp. She just didn’t drink the trump kool-aid and has the courage to publicly call out the orange demagogue and wannabe strong man to stand up for the constitution and institutions. Too bad more of y’all don’t have the balls she has.
 
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