Litiquette VI

[Lonelywife1205]

It's so bloody obvious that none of you have been raped

I was violently raped when I was 16 years old and a virgin. I’m ok with men being playful and flirty with me. Being a rape victim doesn’t define me. It was the action of one horrible person, not all men.

 

[Endless_Night]

I was violently raped when I was 16 years old and a virgin. I’m ok with men being playful and flirty with me. Being a rape victim doesn’t define me. It was the action of one horrible person, not all men.

This.

I've heard it said that instead of saying "all women should be belived" that we should say "all women should be heard". >

And, this. It's not something I've heard before, but definitely something I can get behind.

The other version puts forth the presumption that woman do not lie, don't manipulative, are not capable of evil. Which, if you're living that experience, please, share with the board so we can all move and join you in that utopia.

Abuse in the system has been skewed towards women for a long time. Skewing it the other way is not justice.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I’m so sorry about your rape. Truly.
Some women can’t get past it.
That does not define the victim, it defines the crime of rape.

This isn't picking on you at all, but I think a double standard is to assume rape is only a female issue.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Pmann hit the nail on the head.

Ironically, I have had more men reach out to me this morning with awful stories of sexual assault. The double standard of women being able to process in public whereas men have to grieve in silence is not lost on me today.

And let's not lose sight of the fact that victims deserve none of this.
It's a fucked up power grab and there is no competition in pain.

 

[SassySheDevil]

There is a huge double standard there, no doubt. What constitutes harassment these days has gone a bit extreme. Asking someone out isn't harassment. That's so ridiculous. Continually bothering them about it, that isn't cool and could move towards harassment pretty quickly. But simply asking someone out once isn't an issue.

Someone once made the statement on here, regarding the #MeToo movement, that all women should be believed. Well, that makes the assumption that all women tell the truth. All women should be listened to (I realize that's bad English). But some women are batshit crazy and make shit up. And they ruin it for the majority of the stories which are most likely true.

There used to be a time when you could call your secretary Sugar Tits... That's what's at stake here, people.

For the math minded people, an equation:

Likelihood of being accused of sexual harassment = 1/Level of Attractiveness

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tv-funhouse-sexual-harassment-and-you/2751966

This made me laugh. Only because years ago, when I was working at a Restaurant. My cook at the time (later became my manager) knew that I had a previous job with a different name. So there were 2 ways he'd tell me my food was ready. Yell that other name (Brittany) or my Chest size "Hey G, your food is up" No one knew why he did that (besides the co-workers, but customers didn't) and I just laughed at it. It never bothered me. It never made me feel like he was harassing me. Sure, he was being a perv. But It didn't bother me. I could handle it, and it made work more laughable.

I was violently raped when I was 16 years old and a virgin. I’m ok with men being playful and flirty with me. Being a rape victim doesn’t define me. It was the action of one horrible person, not all men.

Honestly. This reminded me of counseling for years. Every time I went to Counseling, my therapist tried to blame EVERY problem in life, on what had happened to me. I got so sick of everything being blamed on what had happened so many years ago, that I stopped going.
I like the playful, fun, flirty guys. I'm a big girl, and I can tell them if they are pushing my comfort zones.
My current Co-worker asked me a million times if he was being too forward, and he still does. "You'll tell me if it's too much right?" Hell. He brought me a penis for my penis collection.

 

[hotwords229_A]

I wonder if this question was a White Knight trap set by Pmann? I see no guy responses. My answer to the question is that I have no idea what the solution to this problem is. When men and women are together there is going to be sexual energy and it is always going to be a problem. I think we, as a society, are closer to the best balance we are ever going to get, but it’s never going to be right.

I can’t wait for tomorrow’s discussion on Abortion, followed by Gun Control Friday and Who’s Religion Has The Biggest Dick Saturday!

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Why does my husband get congratulations and praise for interacting with his kid in public?

 

[SassySheDevil]

Why does my husband get congratulations and praise for interacting with his kid in public?

and why do we have to ask our husbands/their fathers to "watch the kids" when we go some where.?

 

[aussiegeekygal]

and why do we have to ask our husbands/their fathers to "watch the kids" when we go some where.?

Argh. Yes.

And why is daycare available at women centric events but not at make centric events?

 

[Lord Pmann]

I don’t think that. ???

Lol. I literally said I wasn't picking on you. I don't think you think that.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I wonder if this question was a White Knight trap set by Pmann? I see no guy responses. My answer to the question is that I have no idea what the solution to this problem is. When men and women are together there is going to be sexual energy and it is always going to be a problem. I think we, as a society, are closer to the best balance we are ever going to get, but it’s never going to be right.

I can’t wait for tomorrow’s discussion on Abortion, followed by Gun Control Friday and Who’s Religion Has The Biggest Dick Saturday!

Lol. But I haven't seen any white knights come by.

I'm changing my song for the day.

https://youtu.be/gdSWaIvyQ3o

 

[hotwords229_A]

Is it weird that after I posted the above I went to the grocery store and while I was in aisle five I realized I wrote "Who's" instead of "Whose" and I felt the need to correct it?

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Is it weird that after I posted the above I went to the grocery store and while I was in aisle five I realized I wrote "Who's" instead of "Whose" and I felt the need to correct it?

Personally, I appreciate that quality in you

 

[Lord Pmann]

Is it weird that after I posted the above I went to the grocery store and while I was in aisle five I realized I wrote "Who's" instead of "Whose" and I felt the need to correct it?

It's such a double standard that we expect guys to know things like grammar and spelling. That's girl stuff. Guys are math people.

My favourite example of grammar importance:

Why capitalization is important.

Help my Uncle Jack off a horse.

VS

help my uncle jack off a horse.

 

[hotwords229_A]

It's such a double standard that we expect guys to know things like grammar and spelling. That's girl stuff. Guys are math people.

My favourite example of grammar importance:

Why capitalization is important.

Help my Uncle Jack off a horse.

VS

help my uncle jack off a horse.

Either way, I believe the horse would consider it a capital idea.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Either way, I believe the horse would consider it a capital idea.

Brilliant.

 

[blade_rocknut]

Dammit, the women are winning this one.

Have any of you testicle toters gotten a pedicure?

The fuckers charge extra for a guy. No shit.
The burdens we must bear to be beautiful....

I think we could bounce tales of institutionalized fuckery off one another all day.

I had a fairly amicable divorce. My ex and I agreed on how to split our assets, how to split child rearimg expenses, and how to divvy up custody schedules. I repeat. We agreed.

Went to the courthouse, had to appear before a divorced female judge, who repeatedly asked my ex "are you sure", you could get more", and " why are you doing this"?
Not a fucking question asked of me.
She then sent us away, saying we HAD to sign the state's child support agreement, which is based on my income; that she wouldn't seal the divorce based on our ( 50/50 split of expenses) plan.
Florida is a no fault state, but it was overwhelmingly clear where lie the prejudices in that regard.
At any rate, I'm not bitter at women because of that, or the issues which brought about the divorce. Bad apples; that's all.

Changing gears, but still double standards.

Why the rash of new impulses to pass laws or impose different penalties on the basis of the victim's identity?
Mandatory stiff sentences for folks who victimize leo's, minorities, LGBTQI, etc.
Are these folks not all human, and thusly endowed with the same rights and protections as the rest?

 

[Lord Pmann]

^^^
The concept of crimes drive me wild... I would argue all murders are hate crimes.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

^ yes, but it takes a special breed of asshole to kill someone for being black.

Just because we aren't capable of doing these things or even thinking this way doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And I don't think the crimes are equivalent. Intent matters, and bigoted assholes who act on their tiny minds have no way to cry foul when they're held accountable for their actions.

We've still got a lot of work to do. Black men are disproportionally represented in the criminal justice system and we are kidding ourselves if we believe they're inherently more violent and dishonest. We're just able to distance ourselves enough from them to forget their humanity.

 

[blade_rocknut]

^ yes, but it takes a special breed of asshole to kill someone for being black.

Just because we aren't capable of doing these things or even thinking this way doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And I don't think the crimes are equivalent. Intent matters, and bigoted assholes who act on their tiny minds have no way to cry foul when they're held accountable for their actions.

We've still got a lot of work to do. Black men are disproportionally represented in the criminal justice system and we are kidding ourselves if we believe they're inherently more violent and dishonest. We're just able to distance ourselves enough from them to forget their humanity.

We will disagree on that first bit. If a black man kills another for whatever reason under the sun, that victim is no more nor less dead than if a neo Nazi does the deed.

Assault is assault, and while I do feel the severity of the act is important; the identities of the participants needs to remain irrelevant, or we enter a dimension where protected identities can be weaponized. Jussie Smollett, anyone?

We're trying to make punishment for crime be representative of our collective judgement of a person as a whole, and that's wrong.
People with shitty ideas, beliefs, and values still have the right to equal protection under the law. Crimes should be punished for what they are; not used as a de facto condemnation of a person as a whole.
I tthink any deviation from equal protection / equal punishment is a mistake.

 

[Lord Pmann]

^ yes, but it takes a special breed of asshole to kill someone for being black.

Just because we aren't capable of doing these things or even thinking this way doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And I don't think the crimes are equivalent. Intent matters, and bigoted assholes who act on their tiny minds have no way to cry foul when they're held accountable for their actions.

We've still got a lot of work to do. Black men are disproportionally represented in the criminal justice system and we are kidding ourselves if we believe they're inherently more violent and dishonest. We're just able to distance ourselves enough from them to forget their humanity.

Whether someone kills me because I'm black, white and green or because they want money for meth or because they are jealous of my dick, the result is the same. All of those motives are shit.

I've done significant volunteer work in the prison system. I've met and counseled thousands of men and women in maximum security prisons over almost 20 years. A black prisoner is no different than a white or Hispanic prisoner, other than the size of their penises (I'm kidding, people). No one is more inherently evil as a result of race. I can correlate almost all criminals to three things- lack of education, lack of a father figure and poverty. I'll throw in sexual abuse as a potential fourth, particularly for the women.

 

[Endless_Night]

^^^
The concept of crimes drive me wild... I would argue all murders are hate crimes.

Yup.

Is a white woman raped by a white man somehow less violated, less traumatized, less wounded than a black woman raped by a white man?

No.

Not even if the white man is a racist and chose his victim based on skin color. A victim's pain is not less because their assault is more socially acceptable.

 

[Endless_Night]

I wonder if this question was a White Knight trap set by Pmann? I see no guy responses. >

Too loaded a subject, dude.

(May I call you dude? )


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As to the original question, domestic abuse.

Men are so underreported it makes me cry. When they do come forward it’s often to ridicule, disbelief, or to be accused of being the aggressor. People are at least willing to consider women as victims. Men are expected to fend for themselves. Nothing like living in a silent hell.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Taxes. People paying no taxes saying anyone isn't paying their "fair share".

(To clarify: Not trying to say what taxes should or shouldn't be. Just saying the idea that someone who pays nothing can complain about the other is a bit tough for me.)

 

[blade_rocknut]

Taxes. People paying no taxes saying anyone isn't paying their "fair share".

In that vein; motorists bitching about cyclists on the roads they pay for with "muh gazz taxxez"

I'm like; bitch, I pay registration fees on 6 vehicles and 8 trailers. Shut the fuck up about "cyclists don't own the road". Yeah...most of us do. Probably a greater share, demographically speaking.